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dzalphakilo
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Depends on what your definition of "toughest" is.
Assuming you mean "physical", I'll agree, wrestling is VERY demanding.
Never wrestled (sp?) myself, but have boxed for some time in my "youth" (lasted three rounds with a golden gloves champ at the Downtown Athletic Club in New York city and proud of the fact that I was still standing).
Try running an ultra marathon, heck, even a marathon and try to place, pretty tough.
Triathalons or biathalons (sp?) also come to mind.
When you talk about "mental tough", whole different ballgame, and although wrestling is "hard" in that aspect as well, does not come close to other "endevors" (sp?) that people can persue (sp?) (solo climbing comes first to mind).
Assuming you mean "physical", I'll agree, wrestling is VERY demanding.
Never wrestled (sp?) myself, but have boxed for some time in my "youth" (lasted three rounds with a golden gloves champ at the Downtown Athletic Club in New York city and proud of the fact that I was still standing).
Try running an ultra marathon, heck, even a marathon and try to place, pretty tough.
Triathalons or biathalons (sp?) also come to mind.
When you talk about "mental tough", whole different ballgame, and although wrestling is "hard" in that aspect as well, does not come close to other "endevors" (sp?) that people can persue (sp?) (solo climbing comes first to mind).
Cityboy
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Gatorboy said:
How about soccer, football, basketball, rodeo bull riders, boxers or even moto-cross. I've never seen any professional Greko-Roman wrestlers pulling down six or seven figures. Of course, there's the "Professional Wrestling" soap opera.
You're obviously more impressed with yourself than anyone here is.
Dargo
Like a bad penny...
I don't know exactly how we got onto wrestling vs. other sports, but I will confidently state that a high school or collegiate wrestler will have to be in better physical condition than about any other athlete. On sheer toughness, the ability to defend oneself in a fight, I'll also point out that in the Ultimate Fighting championship bouts it is almost always the guy with the wrestling background who wins. Even though my daughter has a black belt in Tae Kwan Do, I'll admit that the karate guys get their butts handed to them almost 100% of the time. Boxers generally do not look very impressive when they are on their backs eating fists and elbows from a wrestler who has taken him down to the wrestler's world.
Yes, high school wrestling is the most demanding sport in high school. Well, at least in the sports I participated in, and that was wrestling, football, tennis, track, and baseball. Oh yeah, I only lost 3 matches in high school wrestling. The third one was only because I broke my neck when leading 9 - 0.
And, yes, just in case Bob saw me, I did fight twice in our college boxing matches called "caveman bouts". I won both bouts. I knocked the first guy out in 20 seconds. I somehow won a decision against the next guy who beat me about the head so badly that I had a headache for 2 years.
So, you see, I gave up boxing because of my hands. No, not for that reason; because I got tired of the ref stepping on them when he kept trying to count to 10. 
Yes, high school wrestling is the most demanding sport in high school. Well, at least in the sports I participated in, and that was wrestling, football, tennis, track, and baseball. Oh yeah, I only lost 3 matches in high school wrestling. The third one was only because I broke my neck when leading 9 - 0.
And, yes, just in case Bob saw me, I did fight twice in our college boxing matches called "caveman bouts". I won both bouts. I knocked the first guy out in 20 seconds. I somehow won a decision against the next guy who beat me about the head so badly that I had a headache for 2 years.
So, you see, I gave up boxing because of my hands. No, not for that reason; because I got tired of the ref stepping on them when he kept trying to count to 10.
Dargo
Like a bad penny...
Cityboy said:
Watch Ultimate Fighting. Many college and olympic wrestlers are making millions. It's not an easy lifestyle, but if you are really good (no, I'm definitely not), you can make millions.
Professional wrestling is a joke in the worst way. One of the Ultimate Fighters named Ken Shamrock went there for a few years to pick up a few million dollars. He quit because most every opponent he faced wanted him to sign a contract saying that he wouldn't beat them half to death if they pissed him off or accidentally hit him in the ring!
Oh yeah, someone mentioned motocross. That is extremely demanding, but not in the same league as wrestling. You will get the most brutal forearm pump during a race you've ever had, but the worst comes from the crashes. Oh yeah, you know how people have their name written on script on their helmets? My helmet said "Crash".
Dargo
Like a bad penny...
Cityboy said:
Okay, you got me there! I've tried most everything I have ever wanted to in life in competitive sports, but after watching one bull riding competition, I'm out on that one.
I don't know how physically demanding it is, but they have to have a brass pair that won't fit in a pair of my Levis. 
Cityboy
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Dargo said:I don't know exactly how we got onto wrestling vs. other sports, but I will confidently state that a high school or collegiate wrestler will have to be in better physical condition than about any other athlete. On sheer toughness, the ability to defend oneself in a fight, I'll also point out that in the Ultimate Fighting championship bouts it is almost always the guy with the wrestling background who wins. Even though my daughter has a black belt in Tae Kwan Do, I'll admit that the karate guys get their butts handed to them almost 100% of the time. Boxers generally do not look very impressive when they are on their backs eating fists and elbows from a wrestler who has taken him down to the wrestler's world.
Yes, high school wrestling is the most demanding sport in high school. Well, at least in the sports I participated in, and that was wrestling, football, tennis, track, and baseball. Oh yeah, I only lost 3 matches in high school wrestling. The third one was only because I broke my neck when leading 9 - 0.
And, yes, just in case Bob saw me, I did fight twice in our college boxing matches called "caveman bouts". I won both bouts. I knocked the first guy out in 20 seconds. I somehow won a decision against the next guy who beat me about the head so badly that I had a headache for 2 years.
Reading this post I can't help but think of Bruce Springsteen's song "Glory Days", and the saying, "The older I get, the better I was". (Isn't that a country song now?)
"I couldda been a contenda"
dzalphakilo
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Dargo said:I did fight twice in our college boxing matches called "caveman bouts". I won both bouts. I knocked the first guy out in 20 seconds. I somehow won a decision against the next guy who beat me about the head so badly that I had a headache for 2 years.
Boxed for a "major university" who has won a couple of national football championships, and at the time (don't follow it anymore) was pretty good in college wrestling as well (from what I remember, Iowa was the big dog in wrestling at the time).
Had a couple of "unofficial" (sp?) bouts with the wrestlers (school wouldn't permit a "sanctioned compitition"), wrestlers didn't win a single round with us.
Different sport, if your good at what you practice, enough said.
That being said, we wrestled (sp?) the guys (wrestlers) as well, we all lost, not even close.
dzalphakilo
Banned
Cityboy said:
Thats why I have pictures
On that note, on the mental side, try going down a class 5 river and then hit a 35' waterfall that you have to land perfect. More tense and mentally demanding than jumping out of a plane.
Wrestling is VERY demanding, just that when your life is litterally in your own hands (between being alive or being dead by your own mistake), different ballgame.
Dargo
Like a bad penny...
Cityboy said:Reading this post I can't help but think of Bruce Springsteen's song "Glory Days", and the saying, "The older I get, the better I was". (Isn't that a country song now?)
"I couldda been a contenda"
That's why I had to throw in the truth about my "mystery" win in my 2nd and last boxing match. The first fight was no boxing match, I hit him once hard and it was over. I thought it was easy. The next guy knew just a bit of boxing and I was just too stupid to stay down. I think he gave me dain bamage. No glory days there...
Cityboy
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Dargo said:Okay, you got me there! I've tried most everything I have ever wanted to in life in competitive sports, but after watching one bull riding competition, I'm out on that one.
I was at a rodeo recently and two of the bull riders who couldn't have been much over 18 YO came into the restroom while I was there to wash off the dirt and mud from their rides. They had their shirts off and both of them were absolutely ripped. I've never seen a slovenly looking rodeo bull rider.
Gatorboy
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Toughest Sport
Here is just a sample in case you don't feel like reading the whole thing:
When was the last time you did anything as hard as you could for two minutes? Take off and run down the street as fast as you can for 120 seconds. Swim as many laps in the pool in the same amount of time. Pump the pedals on that bicycle. Sound tough?
That's just the start of what wrestlers must endure during a match. And they must endure three of these grueling two-minute drills.
When the whistle blows, it's just you and your opponent. It's pressure, pressure and more pressure. Pure brute strength matched against someone your size with near-identical physical ability.
There's no chance to set your own pace. Unlike other sports where you can coast if you want, wrestling doesn't allow it. To let up is grounds for a quick pin and the humiliation among friends we mentioned earlier.
Here is just a sample in case you don't feel like reading the whole thing:
When was the last time you did anything as hard as you could for two minutes? Take off and run down the street as fast as you can for 120 seconds. Swim as many laps in the pool in the same amount of time. Pump the pedals on that bicycle. Sound tough?
That's just the start of what wrestlers must endure during a match. And they must endure three of these grueling two-minute drills.
When the whistle blows, it's just you and your opponent. It's pressure, pressure and more pressure. Pure brute strength matched against someone your size with near-identical physical ability.
There's no chance to set your own pace. Unlike other sports where you can coast if you want, wrestling doesn't allow it. To let up is grounds for a quick pin and the humiliation among friends we mentioned earlier.
dzalphakilo
Banned
Gatorboy said:
What does posting someone elses OPINION accomplish (very moving article by the way).
Already mentioned, wrestling is a VERY physical sport.
Am I incorrect in stating that there are "stall tactics" in wrestling?
Interesting that Dargo actually had a harder time boxing someone that actually had a clue as to what they were doing (boxing).
Can you post anything else stating your case other than opinions? (which by the way I'm surprised from someone such as yourself, who seems to have what I would call an "engineering sp? mentality", which I mean as a compliment).
Cityboy
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Gatorboy said:
Yeah, just try being that half-back or quarterback with a 6'-5" 250# linebacker bearing down on you at full speed with the sole desire to hear your bones crunch as you groan while the wind is knocked from your lungs. Or the kick reciever with a whole team bearing down on you, each one pursuing with reckless abandon, looking to make a name for themselves and secure a place on the starting defensive team by wiping you out. Coasting in some sports might get you killed. "Coasting" in any sport will cause you to become a loser.
I'm not dissing wrestling; I'm saying all sports have their price and required physical sacrifices and everybody thinks "their" sport was the greatest, toughest, etc. To be truly exceptional at any sport takes dedication and personal sacrifice. Give it a rest Glory-Days-Gator-Dude. We were all young and great once upon a time.
Gatorboy
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It's obvious, none of those trying to compare football, basketball, marathon running, etc. to wrestling has never stepped onto a mat for 6 minutes. I suggest next winter attending a high school wrestling match or peeking in on a practice. It may give you more appreciation for the effort that is involved.
I thought this forum was debate and discussion? Of course it's opinions, there is no 'facts' that can determine which sport is the toughest.
Someone mentioned stalling. If a wrestler is stalling, he is warned by the referee -- a second time a point is awarded to his/her opponent.
I've played a large number of sports in my day -- I have not boxed or tried bull riding, but I know boxing would rank right up with wrestling.
Yes, I wrestled for 7 years back in my younger days, but my passion is not to relive my younger years, but it's now for the high school team I help coach and for my son who is also a wrestler.
BTW, his high school is the defending Class 2A/1A Maryland State Champions. They walked away last season with:
1 - 5th place finisher
2 - 4th place finishers
2 - Runner-ups
1 - Champion
I thought this forum was debate and discussion? Of course it's opinions, there is no 'facts' that can determine which sport is the toughest.
Someone mentioned stalling. If a wrestler is stalling, he is warned by the referee -- a second time a point is awarded to his/her opponent.
I've played a large number of sports in my day -- I have not boxed or tried bull riding, but I know boxing would rank right up with wrestling.
Yes, I wrestled for 7 years back in my younger days, but my passion is not to relive my younger years, but it's now for the high school team I help coach and for my son who is also a wrestler.
BTW, his high school is the defending Class 2A/1A Maryland State Champions. They walked away last season with:
1 - 5th place finisher
2 - 4th place finishers
2 - Runner-ups
1 - Champion
dzalphakilo
Banned
Gatorboy said:
Thank you for at least making that statement. Since I did not wrestle but did box in an "organized setting", boxing was the first sport that came to my mind.
That being said, happens that the man who was the best man at my wedding was a good wrestler, and was a high school wrestling coach. He also happens to be a rock climber, and we first met raft guiding on the river. In the ten or so years we have known each other, we have kayaked alot of tough rivers/creeks together and he's got gonads.
Point I'm making in a long way is that I respect his opinion. We usually talk early in the morning, today being no exception. After talking with him, I will have to agree, wrestling is the most physically demanding organized sport there is, particularly in high school.
DaveNay
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Dargo said:Okay, you got me there! I've tried most everything I have ever wanted to in life in competitive sports, but after watching one bull riding competition, I'm out on that one.
With all due respect to bull and bronco riders, I don't think they have the toughest job at the rodeo. With out a doubt, that title goes to the clowns. Most people don't understand the importance of the rodeo clown's job, and they just seem to blend in to the background noise, but there would be many many dead or injured cowboys if it weren't for the clowns.
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Junkman said:Lets get this thread back on track......... it isn't about anything other than the Yellow background. Got that, now is is ugly or is it beautiful....... that is the question...
OK, lots of criticizm on the yellow.
Any suggestions/recommendations on a different color?
A color should be used. Again, the intent of the color is to let members know what section of the forum they've entered. If they see the bright yellow, that's the warning you're in the Debate & Discussion forum and to read/post at your own risk.
Any suggestions/recommendations on a different color?
A color should be used. Again, the intent of the color is to let members know what section of the forum they've entered. If they see the bright yellow, that's the warning you're in the Debate & Discussion forum and to read/post at your own risk.