Occupy protesters Creating Major Law Enforcement Problems

[loboloco]

Possible Sexual Assault in Occupy Dallas:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/

DALLAS (CBS 11 NEWS) – CBS 11 News has learned of an investigation into the possible sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl at the Occupy Dallas campsite.
Some members of the group told CBS 11 they never knew the girl was 14 and that she had claimed to be 19 years old.
ALSO SEE: Occupy Dallas Protestors Arrested After Bank Blockade
Police were alerted after someone recognized the girl from a picture seen on a flyer asking for help locating a missing teen.
When police took the girl into custody Sunday afternoon she reportedly told them she had been having sex with a man in his 20’s at the Occupy Dallas encampment and had engaged in sexual activity with several other people.
One Occupy Dallas protestor said if the allegations are true measures should be taken to ensure everyone’s safety.
“We’ll find out what the truth is and if that’s her story, that she was having sex with older men in the park, I guess we really need to watch the age group that’s coming in here and get control of that,” Rich Coffman said.
Occupy Dallas organizers told CBS 11 they’ll implement a 10 p.m. curfew and check the identification of anyone seen walking the grounds after that time.
Monday morning the girl remained in custody as police continued to investigate the allegations.
The Occupy Dallas protest, an offshoot of a group staging a protest in New York City called Occupy Wall Street, began more than two weeks ago.


Shootings Up 154% In NYC?

Shootings way up in two weeks

By BRAD HAMILTON
Last Updated: 7:49 AM, October 23, 2011
Posted: 11:43 PM, October 22, 2011




http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/shootings_way_up_in_two_weeks_rajGrOA0bMpTBslidEUgOI# http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/shootings_way_up_in_two_weeks_rajGrOA0bMpTBslidEUgOI# More Print
Bullets are flying over Broadway -- and everywhere else in the city.
The number of people shot surged 154 percent two weeks ago -- to 56 from 22 over the same week last year -- and spiked 28 percent in the last month.
Last week tallied another increase in victims -- 22 people had been hit through Friday, including the three victims gunned down outside a Brooklyn school Friday.
Last year, only 17 shooting victims were logged for the entire week.
The recent gunplay has now pushed the number of shooting victims this year slightly above last year’s tragic tally -- to 1,484 from 1,451 -- through Oct. 16.



Four high-ranking cops point the finger at Occupy Wall Street protesters, saying their rallies pull special crime-fighting units away from the hot zones where they’re needed.
Since Occupy Wall Street took over Zuccotti Park on Sept. 17, the NYPD has relied heavily on its borough task forces, the department’s go-to teams for rowdy crowds.
But such protest duty takes the special units away from their regular jobs -- patrolling public housing and problem spots and staking out nightclubs plagued by violence, supervisors said.
“Normally, the task force is used in high-crime neighborhoods where you have a lot of shootings and robberies,” said one source.
“They are always used when there are spikes in crime as a quick fix. But instead of being sent to Jamaica, Brownsville and the South Bronx, they are in Wall Street.”
Another NYPD boss is troubled by the resulting slowdown in stop-and-frisks.
When OWS marches, as many as 3,000 cops a day could be called on to keep the peace. That’s about 10 percent of the total force.
“The city is going crazy with demonstrations and protests, and I’m lucky if I can get four cars out there,” said Deputy Inspector Ted Berntsen, commander of the 13th precinct in Chelsea.
As the NYPD deals with depleted ranks, fewer thugs are going to jail. The Organized Crime Control Bureau -- an elite unit of hundreds of cops fighting drug dealers and gun runners -- has seen arrests plummet 19 percent this year.
Additional reporting by Kirstan Conley and Jessica Simeone


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...wo_weeks_rajGrOA0bMpTBslidEUgOI#ixzz1bjkQ0NeV

 

[muleman]

Just like Alinsky and others have advocated for. The anarchist's will subvert the system to serve their uses. They need to kick them out and make them follow ALL the rules for parades and protest marches. They are covering up the crime that is occurring in that park as well as areas around it.

 

[FrancSevin]

Classic Cloward and Pivens, an overwhelm the system strategy.

The tools of the left to win their goals.

The Media calls them patriots and the TEA's extreme.

TEA"S organize to change things within the system.

Radicals, the true extremist here, organize to defeat the system into chaos.

The media and the Whitehouse are in concert with the wrong side for our nation to continue functioning as it once was.

Right or wrong......We do not come back from here.

 

[JEV]

Just like Alinsky and others have advocated for. The anarchist's will subvert the system to serve their uses. They need to kick them out and make them follow ALL the rules for parades and protest marches. They are covering up the crime that is occurring in that park as well as areas around it.

You cannot kick them out...those are Barry's voter base, albeit misfits and degenerates, they are still voters for Barry, Harry, Nancy and their ilk. They are the protected class just like the new black panthers and Muslims.

 

[tiredretired]

Just keep giving them "protesters" enough rope and eventually they will figure out how to hang themselves. It's only a matter of time before one or some of them do something major league stupid and the love affair will evaporate.

 

[mak2]

This quote is from the Also see link:

"It’s believed to be the first clash between protestors and police since the group began its demonstrations earlier this month."

So I decided to look up the local news. Not exactly overwhelming the system.

Might take a look.

Classic Cloward and Pivens, an overwhelm the system strategy.

The tools of the left to win their goals.

The Media calls them patriots and the TEA's extreme.

TEA"S organize to change things within the system.

Radicals, the true extremist here, organize to defeat the system into chaos.

The media and the Whitehouse are in concert with the wrong side for our nation to continue functioning as it once was.

Right or wrong......We do not come back from here.

 

[Melensdad]

I think they are overwhelming the system, but they are doing it in a generally peaceful way. Their protests require a police presence which is removing officers from normal patrols and that is where it is causing shortages of manpower in many areas yet is also requiring overtime staffing in the area of the protests.

Further, in some cities like Chicago, there are dozens, even hundreds of arrests as some of the protests are taking place in areas that are private or forbid overnight camping. This, again, requires police and it also fills the court system.

Streets and sanitation workers are also now required to spend extra time in some cities cleaning. This is not the case in all areas but is clearly the case in several.

Again, these are generally peaceful protests but it does not mean that they are not using police, court and sanitation resources.

 

[fogtender]

This isn't going to get better at all, lost one friend over this debate because they thought I was showing no compassion for the under employed and poor. This has never had anything to do with the that cause, if so they would be on the Capitols steps aiming their anger at those that create the laws. These people want to distroy capitalism, and replace it with Socialisum... The poor aren't there at the protests (some have shown up ad late, but very few), it the anarchist that want to distroy the country(not Anti-Chirst, although that may be the case to some).

Rich to them will be anyone of means, not some CEO, it will be anyone with a nice house that they can trash. Already the have marched in the local affluent neighborhoods scaring the hell out of it's residences there.

This is a very left wing agenda and won't go away without major confrontation to elevate their cause!

It is so funny now that the crime rate is quickly climbing because of the protests now... Hold on, the ride is just beginning!

 

[Melensdad]

Rich to them will be anyone of means, not some CEO, it will be anyone with a nice house that they can trash...

I've seen some video interviews where they even criticize the owners of small business and even the guy pushing a Hot Dog Cart as being part of Karl Marx's 'Bourgeoisie' and part of "the problem."

They were verbally attacking anyone who had ownership in anything from the Hot Dog Cart on up the economic ladder. They claimed that people, like the Hot Dog vendor, aspired to own more and therefore were already corrupted and already were integral problem causers in the struggle between the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariat (pretty much right out of Marx's Communist Manifesto)

This struggle, as you point out, is not rich against poor. Its an outright attack on capitalism.

 

[fogtender]

This struggle, as you point out, is not rich against poor. Its an outright attack on capitalism.

I would be happy if it all went away, but it isn't going to without a lot of pain...

The city wanted to have them move for a few hours to do sanitation work in the area, they have been defecating on the streets and sidewalks, there has been some port-a-potties brought in, but the mess is still there.

The city gave up after it was determined that the protesters were in fact looking for an issue and the owner of the park ask the city to abstain cleaning up for the time being.

At some point this will come to a head and that is the "Defining Moment" these clowns think they need to start trashing the place when the police start moving them out....


This is from Al Jazeera


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEwdPV0wSUA"]Anti-Wall Street protesters to block clean-up - 'Occupy Wall Street' - YouTube[/ame]

If you type in the Wall Street Protesters, you will find all sorts of videos extolling this movement to distroy the American Government and all like it.

 

[JEV]

Did I mention I bought a .45 ACP at the gun show yesterday. It will be the new truck gun, replacing the 9mm. When times get tough, the tough buck up to the next higher caliber...or two.

 

[SShepherd]

Did I mention I bought a .45 ACP at the gun show yesterday. It will be the new truck gun, replacing the 9mm. When times get tough, the tough buck up to the next higher caliber...or two.

I keep a vaquero .44mag in the door of my truck

 

[JEV]

I keep a vaquero .44mag in the door of my truck

I always thought you were a prudent man, now I know.

 

[SShepherd]

This quote is from the Also see link:

"It’s believed to be the first clash between protestors and police since the group began its demonstrations earlier this month."

So I decided to look up the local news. Not exactly overwhelming the system.

Might take a look.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/shootings_way_up_in_two_weeks_rajGrOA0bMpTBslidEUgOI

Bullets are flying over Broadway -- and everywhere else in the city.
The number of people shot surged 154 percent two weeks ago -- to 56 from 22 over the same week last year -- and spiked 28 percent in the last month.
Last week tallied another increase in victims -- 22 people had been hit through Friday, including the three victims gunned down outside a Brooklyn school Friday.

​

Four high-ranking cops point the finger at Occupy Wall Street protesters, saying their rallies pull special crime-fighting units away from the hot zones where they’re needed.
Since Occupy Wall Street took over Zuccotti Park on Sept. 17, the NYPD has relied heavily on its borough task forces, the department’s go-to teams for rowdy crowds.
But such protest duty takes the special units away from their regular jobs -- patrolling public housing and problem spots and staking out nightclubs plagued by violence, supervisors said.
“Normally, the task force is used in high-crime neighborhoods where you have a lot of shootings and robberies,” said one source.
“They are always used when there are spikes in crime as a quick fix. But instead of being sent to Jamaica, Brownsville and the South Bronx, they are in Wall Street.”​

 

[Cowboy]

But such protest duty takes the special units away from their regular jobs -- patrolling public housing and problem spots and staking out nightclubs plagued by violence, supervisors said.

Kind of off topic , but couldn't the same be said for when Obama takes his campaign circus to the streets all over the country. Same with disrupting buisnesses that are allready hurting as well as causing traffic jambs causing people to be later for work or other appointments? Just asking.

 

[SShepherd]

Kind of off topic , but couldn't the same be said for when Obama takes his campaign circus to the streets all over the country. Same with disrupting buisnesses that are allready hurting as well as causing traffic jambs causing people to be later for work or other appointments? Just asking.

well, he does take his own little private army of secret service men with him and the FBI usually provides a detail. Local lawenforcement does provide local logistics, but thank goodness Obama is usually in and out of wherever he lights within a few hrs.

 

[jimbo]

Kind of off topic , but couldn't the same be said for when Obama takes his campaign circus to the streets all over the country. Same with disrupting buisnesses that are allready hurting as well as causing traffic jambs causing people to be later for work or other appointments? Just asking.

We had him here last week. It wasn't too bad, he picked a bad day as most of the local politicians had something else to do.

Both of his supporters at the fire station he visited behaved pretty well,

 

[tiredretired]

Did I mention I bought a .45 ACP at the gun show yesterday. It will be the new truck gun, replacing the 9mm. When times get tough, the tough buck up to the next higher caliber...or two.

What did you you get for a handgun. You will love your .45ACP.

 

[tiredretired]

Kind of off topic , but couldn't the same be said for when Obama takes his campaign circus to the streets all over the country. Same with disrupting buisnesses that are allready hurting as well as causing traffic jambs causing people to be later for work or other appointments? Just asking.

I see he just wrapped up his Magical Misery Bus Tour 2.0. Can 3.0 be far behind.

 

[mak2]

If there are shoot outs all over town, why did the police department make Wall Street a higher prioirty? What are the real statistics. NYC is a pretty big City I would think maybe a little overtime and they could handle thousands?

"They are always used when there are spikes in crime as a quick fix. But instead of being sent to Jamaica, Brownsville and the South Bronx, they are in Wall Street.”

 

[Kane]

Personally, I feel sorry for the parents of these Occupiers. It must be a rotten feeling knowing that you've been an abject failure at something so important. Parenting.

 

[tiredretired]

Personally, I feel sorry for the parents of these Occupiers. It must be a rotten feeling knowing that you've been an abject failure at something so important. Parenting.

Spot on! My son is at work right now supporting a wife and two kids. Making his mortage payments and paying his bills. Worked two jobs for a while to pay off college loans. Then again maybe he has a job right now because he majored in Computer Science at VTC and UMass Amherst instead of basket weaving at Whassamatta U.

I can't imagine a parent turning on his or her TV and seeing their son carrying a sign to proclaims EAT THE RICH or KILL YOUR PARENTS or something equally stupid and offensive.

 

[FrancSevin]

Spot on! My son is at work right now supporting a wife and two kids. Making his mortage payments and paying his bills. Worked two jobs for a while to pay off college loans. Then again maybe he has a job right now because he majored in Computer Science at VTC and UMass Amherst instead of basket weaving at Whassamatta U.

I can't imagine a parent turning on his or her TV and seeing their son carrying a sign to proclaims EAT THE RICH or KILL YOUR PARENTS or something equally stupid and offensive.

He has a job right now because he does not expect that anyone else should support him! I'll wager if he cold not get one in IT he would mowlawns and flip burgers to feed his kids.

Must have been something his mom and dad said.

Otherwise he and the kids would be living in Vrermont with Grandpa

Good job DAD

 

[tiredretired]

Thanx Franc. He's a smart kid, takes after his mother.

 

[waybomb]

I think we should:

 

[Melensdad]

. . . Not exactly overwhelming the system. . .

Looks like they are, actually, overwhelming the system.

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2011/10...esters-putting-atlanta-on-path-to-escalation/

. . . .Amid rising costs to keep law enforcement present in and around Woodruff Park, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed has urged an end to the “Occupy Atlanta” movement, a demonstration that began more than three weeks ago in response to “Occupy Wall Street.”

In a press conference Monday, Reed cited the additional $100,000 in beefed-up police presence for Saturday alone, as officers worked overtime in 12-hour shifts to ensure safety for the protesters — the same protesters he connected to a hip-hop concert in the park that same day. Reed called the behavior of some of the “Occupy Atlanta” the kind of actions that “puts them on a path to escalation,” he said.

“It drains important police resources from people who pay taxes in the city of Atlanta,” Reed said. . .

 

[mak2]

Wow, yea, Atlanta is about to crumble.

"Connected to a hip-hop concert in the park." Kinda weird statement.

 

[mak2]

"The mayor’s office said it was going to release data related to Reed’s stance, but no data has been released to this point."

from the end of your article.

So do you think protest should not be allowed if they are expensive?

 

[Melensdad]

So do you think protest should not be allowed if they are expensive?

Where/when did I ever say that?

In fact, where/when did I ever say that I even oppose protest?

As is typical, when you are simply challenged with reasonable information you try to change the focus and attack the people who present evidence that proves you are/may be seriously wrong.

While I may think this particular protest is out to destroy our nation, our entire economic system, etc, I doubt you will find any evidence that I believe protests should be disbanded because they are expensive.

 

[mak2]

Do you understand the meaning of a ? at the end of a sentence? See, there is another one. Now, what am I wrong about? (another question mark). One more question. In that case what is the point of your post? With the exception of this sentence, all the others are questions. Understand? WHO changed the focus?

Where/when did I ever say that?

In fact, where/when did I ever say that I even oppose protest?

As is typical, when you are simply challenged with reasonable information you try to change the focus and attack the people who present evidence that proves you are/may be seriously wrong.

While I may think this particular protest is out to destroy our nation, our entire economic system, etc, I doubt you will find any evidence that I believe protests should be disbanded because they are expensive.