Lots of Americans still believing Lost Cause drivel is not evidence dude, especially compared to the actual stated reasons for secession.
As I said before, it started over one specific “state’s right”; the “state‘s right” to own slaves.
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New book Defending Dixie's Land: What Every American Should Know About The South And The Civil War
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Lots of Americans still believing Lost Cause drivel is not evidence dude, especially compared to the actual stated reasons for secession.
As I said before, it started over one specific “state’s right”; the “state‘s right” to own slaves.
In other words, you are alleging some grand conspiracy because just about every reputable historian has rejected your claims. Sorry dude, the Confederates made it very clear they were fighting to defend slavery.
Gee bud, if slavery wasn’t so bad, then why did the overwhelmingly majority of those involved in it attempt to escape from being enslaved? There was no mass movement of tens, or hundreds, of thousands of people fleeing south to give up their freedom.
When you are reduced to defending literal slavery, you lose any “credibility” you might otherwise have claimed.
Isaac C Bishop
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And by literal history you mean to accept what you declare while ignoring the original sources and historians!
Isaac C Bishop
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The fact that you make this claims proves you have not read my book, or very many historians!
It is only "clear" to people like you who refuse to let go of there own delusions.
Isaac C Bishop
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More "history" from Tiburon. The overwhelming majority did not attempt to escape; a small minority did. The vast majority refused to leave, and many escaped back into the South after being forcibly removed by federal soldiers!
History matters; you have faith and beliefs but no evidence to support your claims. I have historical evidence and statistics. More vital a willingness to change my opinions based on fact.
Pride is a sin; you have it my friend. You spout off as if your beliefs are true when they are blatantly false.
See, there it is really. Put a name on something that sounds better to sway the masses in your favor. The Demon Party is the best at that there is. Reproductive Rights aka ABORTION. Transgender rights aka child grooming. They have always done this because their arguments are hollow, so lying and deceit become the norms for them to the point they actually start to believe them.
All this boils down to is the fact the Demon Party has been evil to the core since in was organized by Martin Van Buren in the late 1820's or so.
The Demon Party is a virus that needs to be eliminated and like I said earlier, it should have been done so following the Civil War.
Isaac C Bishop
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Lost Causers barely qualify as “historians” of any sort dude
Good one?
Roughly a hundred thousand slaves managed to successfully escape to freedom. That’s not counting those who tried to escape and were captured.
How many people volunteered to go south and be enslaved? I’ll give you a hint: nowhere near that number
You having a crush on Robert E Lee doesn’t change the facts, sorry.
Oh look, a mindless rant that doesn’t actually disprove any of what I pointed out.
You are doing nothing more than regurgitating the same long debunked drivel that’s been shredded time and again.
Isaac C Bishop
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Roughly a hundred thousand slaves managed to successfully escape to freedom. That’s not counting those who tried to escape and were captured.
How many people volunteered to go south and be enslaved? I’ll give you a hint: nowhere near that number
You having a crush on Robert E Lee doesn’t change the facts, sorry.
How many refused to go and stand by the South? How many of those who "escaped" to freedom were actually forced? How many came back to the South after finding the North much worse? If you want those numbers you are arguing poorly for your side, because over 95% chose the South compared to the North.
If you have a crush on myths and fables it does not change the facts of history.
Isaac C Bishop
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My reply,
See I can play this game, make baseless claims while hiding the fact that I have no idea what I am talking about .
Who do you fantasize was “forcing” slaves to escape to freedom? And no, the overwhelming majority of slaves did not “stand by the Confederacy”. Ninety thousand former slaves signed up to join the USCT and help put an end to slavery once and for all, in fact.
See, this is why you have no credibility. You come up with the most mind-bogglingly stupid excuses to try and defend your “slavery wasn’t that bad” narrative.
Can you compare slavery in the south to the conditions the slaves were in before they were brought to the south?
Well gee, sure. Seeing as vast numbers of them died on the slave ships bringing them over, it’s pretty clear they were not, in fact, better off enslaved.
How many slaved died before the owners sold them to the slavers? Are you trying to say the people who enslaved them in the first place then sold them were just caring folks?
chowderman
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"How many of those who "escaped" to freedom were actually forced?"
slaves were "forced" to escape? that's absurd.
slaves were "forced" to escape? that's absurd.
I’ll give you a hint: if the Europeans hadn‘t wanted slaves so desperately, the impetus to capture people to sell to them wouldn’t have been there. And none of that is an excuse for the South fighting to defend slavery.
I was referring to the article you posted as evidence. Obviously you didn't even read or understand what you posted. You are just saying the same thing over and over, thats not evidence or an argument. Im done with you. You can believe whatever you want. Over and out.
I accept your surrender.
No surrender, never argue with an idiot as they will just Drag you down to there level and beat you with experience.
You didn't answer the question.
Projecting again I see.
Yes, I did. Crying “but tribes in Africa” is irrelevant, for the reasons I already provided.
Isaac C Bishop
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Union soldiers "confiscated" the enemies' "property" by the thousands and used them as forced labor; some would call that slavery. As I state in my book, the politically incorrect runaway slaves are those who escaped and ran back to their plantations from whence they were forcibly removed.
Who do you fantasize was “forcing” slaves to escape to freedom? And no, the overwhelming majority of slaves did not “stand by the Confederacy”. Ninety thousand former slaves signed up to join the USCT and help put an end to slavery once and for all, in fact.
See, this is why you have no credibility. You come up with the most mind-bogglingly stupid excuses to try and defend your “slavery wasn’t that bad” narrative.
And how many slaves (according to Federal data at the time) were in proximity of federal occupation or soldiers and intentionally stayed with their masters? How many other historical documents from former slaves back up the statistics and the fact that the overwhelming majority of slaves chose to stay loyal to the South?
How many southern blacks volunteered as non-combatants or fought in the southern armies? It is greater than your number, which included many free northern blacks. All these facts are readily available to any interested reader. But you have to be willing to learn.
See, this is why you have no credibility. You come up with the most mind-bogglingly stupid excuses to try and defend your “slavery wasn’t that bad” narrative.
Isaac C Bishop
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Only because we do not know our own hsitory!
Union soldiers "confiscated" the enemies' "property" by the thousands and used them as forced labor or soldiers; some would call that slavery. As I state in my book, the politically incorrect runaway slaves are those who escaped and ran back to their plantations from whence they were forcibly removed.
You will find numerous accounts in this source of slaves were will tell you how they were kidnapped and forced into labor.
About this Collection | Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938 | Digital Collections | Library of Congress
Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938 contains more than 2,300 first-person accounts of slavery and 500 black-and-white photographs of former slaves. These narratives were collected in the 1930s as part of the Federal Writers' Project (FWP) of the Works...
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But the federal documents are abundant that speak of this sort of removal of slaves from their homes.
chowderman
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sorry. but you are just plain wacko crazy.
"Union soldiers "confiscated" the enemies' "property" by the thousands and used them as forced labor or soldiers;"
this is not "forced to escape"
"will tell you how they were kidnapped and forced into labor."
this is not "forced to escape"
you are representing The Lost Cause. it's not ever going to work - people can think on their own now-a-days.
"Union soldiers "confiscated" the enemies' "property" by the thousands and used them as forced labor or soldiers;"
this is not "forced to escape"
"will tell you how they were kidnapped and forced into labor."
this is not "forced to escape"
you are representing The Lost Cause. it's not ever going to work - people can think on their own now-a-days.
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