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daedong

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Excuse my ignorance on this subject please
I cannot get my head around how the rest of the world can dictate to Iran on it’s right to have nuclear power. I understand why we are fearful but still can’t see how that gives the rest of the world the authority? Other countries have nuclear power.
 
I actually can't even understand why the rest of the world is so "fearful" - do we really think the Iranians are going to go building nuclear bombs and then start nuking people - and think they are going to get away with it? Come-on do we really think that the Iranians have a nationwide death wish?
 
I had assumed they were under an anti-proliferation treaty; in which case I'd say the UN has not only the right, but responsibility to insure they hold their end of the bargain. However, maybe such treaty is only my imagination.
 
daedong said:
Excuse my ignorance on this subject please
I cannot get my head around how the rest of the world can dictate to Iran on it’s right to have nuclear power. I understand why we are fearful but still can’t see how that gives the rest of the world the authority? Other countries have nuclear power.
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The United Nations passed some resolutions that bound member nations to a basic agreement on non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Iran signed the agreements. The nuclear non-proliferation agreement, inspection, and oversight is the responsibility of the IAEA under the UN with Muhammad Baradei as the head of the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency). Under the agreement, any nation that did not have atomic energy must follow some very strict proceedures should they choose to develop it. Further under the agreement, all nations (including the USA, Russia, China) are subject to inspections & monitoring by the IAEA. Further, the IAEA installs video cameras within the facilities and has on site inspectors randomly show up. Further, the non-nuclear nations pledge to not develop atomic/nuclear weapons programs, including conventional weapon systems that can be adapted to atomic/nuclear use. All of these things have been agreed to by Iran and the members of the U.N. All of these things have been ratified under International Law.

Iran is apparently breaking the agreements to which it agreed to, and is bound by according to international law.

As for the concept of Iran using a nuclear weapon to attack some other nation I believe most people feel that is unrealistic. However as Iran is a known supporter of terrorist organizations, it is not outside of the realm of possibilities to see them slip nuclear materials to NGOs which would act as their proxies and effect an attack. Probably with a relatively small and crude 'dirty' bomb.
 
Spiffy1 said:
I had assumed they were under an anti-proliferation treaty; in which case I'd say the UN has not only the right, but responsibility to insure they hold their end of the bargain. However, maybe such treaty is only my imagination.
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What . . . did you think the UN will actually do anything???:yum: :yum: :yum:

The UN is for career politicians that are finished making a mess of their own countries and needed some where else to go an perpetuate waste, corruption and inefficiency.

Think of it as the Major Leagues for career politicians.

Iran isn't a threat to us, they are a threat to Israel and maybe even Iraq(as we know it today).

That whole area of the world is such a mess that maybe a small scale nuclear war would bring some long needed change. (Not that I would wish a Nuclear war to ever actually happen)

PB
 
B_Skurka said:
Iran is apparently breaking the agreements to which it agreed to, and is bound by according to international law.
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Bob,

The NPT does grant countries to leave the agreement. N. Korea did (and is the only country to have done this).

There are other countries that have nuclear weapons that have never signed on to the NPT (India, Pakistan and Isreal).

Unfortunately, the NPT is full of holes... There's very little incentive in it and there's no punishment for either leaving or not joining in the first place.

It's about as useful as the UN itself...
 
bczoom said:
It's about as useful as the UN itself...
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There is no need to even talk about the UN with me . . . nothing good can come out of my mouth during that conversation :eek:
 
A cant believe in a post 9/11 enviroment that some of you people think we have NO right to stop IRAN from developing a nuclear power plant? Which one of you IDIOTS believes that Iran isnt really developing Nuclear weapons and just hiding behind the nuclear power plant story?? Hmmm Well speak up. Give me a break! IRAN is run by religiuos freaks. They are evry bit as Dangerous as Bin Laden. They just have to deal behind closed doors where as Bin Laden doesnt. WHO do you think is funding the insurgents in Iraq. WHO has the most Terrorist training camps in the world? Who would love to see a NUKE explode out your front door in America? Who would love to see our children Burn? Who jumped for joy in the streets when the Twin Towers fell? You people are idiots if you trully believe they wont help, support and even give there own terrosist the capabilities to do it. No wonder our nation is doomed. Its full of idiots!
 
Oh and I guess you really believe that IRAN wants "Clean" power is that it? They are one of the worlds biggest polluters and dont give a shit. They have power plants that can run for over a thousand years on there oil alone. They have the cheapest power next to Nuclear energy. The have the oil and its free. They have there plants that burn there free oil. BUT I guess we need to spend BILLIONS of dollars on this source of Nuclear power why are citizens live in Squaller. No we have to have this new source of power thats going to cost us billions and then shut down our oil burning plants that are built and run next to nothing to operate. Yah thats it Clean power.

Giv me a break!
 
Snowcat Operations said:
Which one of you IDIOTS believes that Iran isnt really developing Nuclear weapons and just hiding behind the nuclear power plant story??. . . You people are idiots if you trully believe they wont help, support and even give there own terrosist the capabilities to do it. No wonder our nation is doomed. Its full of idiots!
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I would like to remind everyone that we are free to criticize others beliefs, but we do follow a civility rule here on the forums.

As nobody has yet responded to the above post, I would urge everyone to understand that Mike posted this without specifying any particular person, and I would hope that responses be metered in a such a way that we can be civil in responses to both sides of this topic. (but I will admit that I pretty much agree with Mike's post . . . however I will not allow an insult battle to insue).
 
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Oh and I guess you really believe that IRAN wants "Clean" power is that it? They are one of the worlds biggest polluters and dont give a shit. They have power plants that can run for over a thousand years on there oil alone. They have the cheapest power next to Nuclear energy. The have the oil and its free. They have there plants that burn there free oil. BUT I guess we need to spend BILLIONS of dollars on this source of Nuclear power why are citizens live in Squaller. No we have to have this new source of power thats going to cost us billions and then shut down our oil burning plants that are built and run next to nothing to operate. Yah thats it Clean power.

Giv me a break!
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On this point, I will agree! Having spent some time in Kuwait I conclude that they have no regard for pollution and at least in the small country of Kuwait the electricity seemed to be a by-product of oil production and was free and squandered.

On the other note, I think you should feel confident that Israel will take out any facility prior to bombs being produced. It's happened before. Not that you should depend on them, but they are a bit "indebted" to the US.
 
BOB and eveyone else. Yes I was not saying anyone here is an Idiot. Sorry I came off that way. I just call it like I see it these days. I dont pussy foot around when something has to be said. Lives are at stake here people and they are our own and our childrens. I have some friends who feel Iran trully wants nuclear power because it is a clean source of fuel. In Fact I agree its a clean source its absolutely the cleanest! But you have to also know the powers that be and read between the lines and figure out what there end goal trully is. For some reason people forget that the The head religiuos leader also stated that it was every Muslim nations goal to develop a nuclear weapon. They even went further and stated it was needed to defeat the infidale enemys. They were talking about the U.S. and Israel. Now these same leaders and nut jobs are building a nuclear power plant but have been pointed out as to have been making for years the components and materials to make nuvlear weapons as well. Hmmm NOW THINK PEOPLE plese think. They also have developed a war head that can deliver a nuclear payload. Not just one but multiple! They have a rocket powered torpedo that is said to have multiple war head capability as well. These would be conventional but never the less they are prepaing for war. They are also advertising these weapons them selves so when push comes to shove they can give up the smaller weapons to keep something else. They may not even be willing to conceed these weapons if they dont have to. We have all been IDIOTS for far to long when it comes to these fanatic run countries. Dont make the mistake and feel they would never use these weapons of mass destruction. They will and they already have plans to do it. They are always making more plans as time goes on. If they can and one day they will. They will use these weapons we are talking about TODAY against us! That is why we need to make sure they dont have these kind of weapons. It is that simple.
 
Snowcat Operations said:
A cant believe in a post 9/11 enviroment that some of you people think we have NO right to stop IRAN from developing a nuclear power plant? Which one of you IDIOTS believes that Iran isnt really developing Nuclear weapons and just hiding behind the nuclear power plant story?? Hmmm Well speak up. Give me a break! IRAN is run by religiuos freaks. They are evry bit as Dangerous as Bin Laden. They just have to deal behind closed doors where as Bin Laden doesnt. WHO do you think is funding the insurgents in Iraq. WHO has the most Terrorist training camps in the world? Who would love to see a NUKE explode out your front door in America? Who would love to see our children Burn? Who jumped for joy in the streets when the Twin Towers fell? You people are idiots if you trully believe they wont help, support and even give there own terrosist the capabilities to do it. No wonder our nation is doomed. Its full of idiots!
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The Iranians in all likelihood already have nuclear weapons or they are damn close to having one. They have recently tested new torpedoes, new missiles, etc. They have been threatening Israel for a while now with annihilation. So what if Iran is run by religious freaks - so are a lot of countries in the world. Some people claim the US is run by religous freaks. Do you really truly believe that Iran poses a nuclear threat to the US? They may pose a nuclear threat to Israel - they may even pose a nuclear threat to parts of Europe if you believe the reports of how far a range their missiles have. For them to launch a first strike nuclear attack against the US or any of the other countries I mentioned is risking having Iraq wiped off the face of the earth. The Iranians know that Israel has multiple nuclear weapons and they damn well know that the US has them too. Any nuclear first strike by the Iranians means the utter destruction of their country.

The US spent 50 or so years fighting the cold war against the Soviets - what the hell happened to all of the diplomats, spies, and backdoor military operators that got us thru that without getting blown up? Apparently they all retired and now we have a bunch of morons running our goverment who seem to think that threatening a military attack against a country that may have nuclear weapons is a good idea. The surest way to get Iran to use their nuclear weapons (if they have them yet) is for us to attack them. Why do you think they have been making such a big stink for the last couple of years about nuclear weapons - could it be maybe because the US invaded the country right next door to them? Hmmm ?

There are many countries much closer to Iran that are under much bigger threat of getting nuked by Iran than the we here in the US. We need to stop acting as everybody's big brother and fixing all their problems and let other nations feel the heat for a change. Maybe then they will start to pick up some of the slack. We as a country need to stop going around pissing off everybody and then standing back and wondering why they hate us. The surest way to get a nuke attack on US soil is for us to threaten or carry thru on military action against Iran. What do you think will happen in this country if we suffer an attack like that? Do you like the freedoms you have now (the ones that are left) - kiss them goodbye. Do think we have problems with illegal immigration, the war in Iraq, trade deficits, deficit spending, etc, etc. - they will pale in comparison to the shit storm that will hit this country if keep going on the road we are on and we do get attacked by a nuke.

It frankly doesn't matter if we have the "right" to stop them or not. The reality is that what good is a military attack against Iran going to do us? Do you mean to tell me that you think we could attack every possible nuclear target all at once - take them all out - and everything would be all peaches and cream afterwards? If the Iranians are smart enough to build atomic weapons they are smart enough to hide them from us and protect them in ways that would make it impossible to ever get them all. The only possible way to be sure would be to nuke every possible nuclear site in Iran - and what would that make us? It would make us the exact thing the Iranians are building nuclear weapons to protect themselves against.
 
jdwilson and I have some differences of opinion He's a bit more conservative than me, he actually likes Pat Buchannan, and sometimes he's a bit more of an isolationist than me.

But -- and it's a very important "but" -- he does look at things from logic, reason and research, rather than emotion and propaganda. We sometimes arrive at different conclusions, but more often, I have to respect his clear-headed approach to facts.

The previous post is one of the best examples of this. Rather than adopting a Dr. Strangelove view of Iran, he looks at the situation and arrives at some rational conclusions. I support his views in this matter completely.

This nation has faced far worse threats than Iran (and Iran is an order of magnitude more of a threat than Iraq ever was), and has resolved those threats without making a first strike. Most of the members of this forum are too young to have lived through the Cuban missile crisis and the decisive actions taken by Jack Kennedy; it was one of our nation's finest hours, and I only wish there was some way to transfer even a tiny bit of that wisdom into today's administration.

May I remind everyone, there is nothing wrong with negotiations when they work.
 
Jdwillson44 let me see,

So what you are saying is to just leave them alone? Dont dare risk angering them. Hell they can only strike Israel so why should we get involved. Why should we get involved. Hmmm Why should we even bother? "When good men stand aside and do nothing Evil prevails" Iran is the biggest trainer of terrorist. Do you at least agree with this? If so then what is one of the most lethal weapons they could use against us? What is the smallest most lethal weapon they could use against us? You act like we just attacked Iraq for the hell of it. You act like we deserved to be attacked on 9/11. Is that what you think? Let me hear you respond to each of my questions. They started this. Them and there twisted evil religion started this. Not us. They hate us because we support Israel. What have the Israelies done to them? Lets see 1967 the 6 day war. HMMM I recall Israel was attacked on three sides by three diffrent nations acting as one unified army. Israel Kicked the living shit out of there enemys! Remember the U.N. They only stopped the war once they saw Israel was totally wiping the sand with there arab asses! They also did it with alot of our military weapons (The French stopped supplying Israel during the war because they were making alot more money from the other guys). What else has Israel done to them to have such a hatred. Oh they are Jews. I guess in you book that is enough of a reason. Yes Israel has had Nuclear weapons for decades. But have they EVER used them? No. But what do you think the Arabs will do if they get a hold of a nuclear device? History has showed the dont need a valid reason to attack Israel. They would use a nuclear weapon in a heart beat and not even care. Hell they starp bombs on there children to go kill Isralies! You see those people are religious freaks. You say Bush is a religious freak or you impled that other people said he is a religious freak. HOW? Because he believs in God? Then I'm a freak. I dont see Bush having peoples heads cut off because they disagree with what he says and then hide behind that so called God Allah. I dont hear Bush saying he is a prophet of God do you? Bushs word is not Law. If I were in Iran I would be executed for writing what I have typed here tonight. Do you think I am jokeing? Answer that one question if you dont answer any of the others. WOULD I BE EXECUTED FOR WRITING WHAT I HAVE WRITTTEN HERE TONIGHT IF I LIVED IN IRAN? The answer is yes. So who is the religious freaks? If they would execute me for what I have written(and remember they would do this to there own and have everyday of the year) then what makes you think they wouldnt attack America if they could. I also said they would do it behind closed doors. Not openly. They are dumb but not stupid. All they need is to supply the weapon. What makes you think they wouldnt?
 
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And Okeedon, How can you sit there and say:

"he does look at things from logic, reason and research, rather than emotion and propaganda. We sometimes arrive at different conclusions, but more often, I have to respect his clear-headed approach to facts."

You only appreciate his so called clear approach to "The Facts" because it closley approaches your twisted beliefs! Lets see how he answers my questions. I know it is typical of Liberals to blindly follow and you have shown this very thing.

Now as far as JFK yes he did handle the Cuban Missle crisis perfectly. Let me ask you this. What diffrence is there between how JFK handled Cuba than Bush handled Iraq?

I can tell you. If the Naval Blockade of Cuba didnt work JFK would have invaded Cuba! He had all the troops ready to go. Fidel Castro knew it and conceeded.

Now here is what happend with Iraq:

The sanctions didnt work. They were a joke to Saddam. He had more bribed UN politicains than Carter has liver pills. So they were doomed from the start. THAT IS THE U.N.s fault.

Bush came in and said look if you dont abide by what YOU agreed to we will resume hostilities. You have to have the inspectors in and if not then you will pay. Who kicked out the inspectors? Who violated every U.N Order? Who had the U.N in his pocket? Who thought the U.N. would protect him? Saddam! Well Saddam being use to a cowardly none acting President Clinton, saw a toothless tiger. He even along with Bin Laden said as much. But he miss judged Bush who Like JFK was prepared to do what was needed to protect America and get the job done! He like JFK did the political thing until it was time to act. You see all this talk and no action over the years gave Saddam the courage to satnd up against us! The political game went on for years with Clinton to no Affect. Yes Clinton did blow up a radar site once but probrably called and told them to clear it out. (That wouldnt surprise me at all). How many more years would have been sufficiant for you? How many more games? If we played by your guys rules Cuba would still have those missles off our coast! When is enough enough? Oh lets see when we are Nuked? :pat:
 
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After 24 Hour research.

The question at hand was
“How the rest of the world can dictate to Iran on it’s right to have nuclear power.”
This is not just an issue for the USA. This is a world issue.
I personally think that it would be far wiser to wait for them to take the first violent action. I don’t believe they will, as they would fear the consequence.
No action was taken with many other nations that have developed nuclear power. I personally don’t see Iran as any bigger risk to the world than many of these
 
daedong said:
After 24 Hour research.

The question at hand was
“How the rest of the world can dictate to Iran on it’s right to have nuclear power.”
This is not just an issue for the USA. This is a world issue.
I personally think that it would be far wiser to wait for them to take the first violent action. I don’t believe they will, as they would fear the consequence.
No action was taken with many other nations that have developed nuclear power. I personally don’t see Iran as any bigger risk to the world than many of these
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Well, I think it all ties in..

Unfortunatly the radical Muslim world(not Iran, Iraq, or any country specificly) has a pure hatred for the non Muslim world... This includes the Americans, Brits, Europeans, and everyone else that is not of the Muslim faith.. They are not reasoanble people... I realize this is a broad statement and may offend some good people of the Muslim faith, but the radicals are the ones I am speaking of here... They are driven by their faith(a twisted veiw of it BTW) and nothing else matters..They have been asked to follow rules since the hostages were taken in the 70's and have not been interested... They dont believe that Isreal (or anyone else) has the right to live on their planet of Allah..This means that when they have the capability, they will rid their world of the "infedals".... Thas us guys.... We all need to be concerned, they are animals with no sence of right and wrong.. If you havent been to their country or listened to their veiws you simply cannot understand how serious it is... They need to be stopped, like was said before they dont care the least for environmental issues.. This nuclear program is bad from every angle, if you cannot see it, I can just recomend looking more closely...
 
daedong said:
After 24 Hour research.

I personally think that it would be far wiser to wait for them to take the first violent action. I don’t believe they will, as they would fear the consequence.
No action was taken with many other nations that have developed nuclear power. I personally don’t see Iran as any bigger risk to the world than many of these
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By and large the other nations that have developed Nuclear power have not repeatedly jumped up on the stump and proclaimed their hatred for us and our allies; and their god driven intention to destroy us.

As far as waiting for them to take the first violent action, what would that be.
A hostile nuclear detonation of any type, anywhere, may well start a fire that that will be difficult to extinguish.

As to them fearing the consequences, I am fairly convinced at this point, that they buy that 72 virgin horse shit.

I think soft firm talk and a visible and cocked big stick, gets my vote.
 
Snowcat Operations, someone sent me a PM to challenge me as to why I was not responding to your "questions". The simple reason is that you are on my ignore list, and will remain there until you calm down. However, I did lift the restriction long enough to look at the specific challenge that was mentioned.
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And Okeedon, How can you sit there and say:

"he does look at things from logic, reason and research, rather than emotion and propaganda. We sometimes arrive at different conclusions, but more often, I have to respect his clear-headed approach to facts."

You only appreciate his so called clear approach to "The Facts" because it closley approaches your twisted beliefs! Lets see how he answers my questions. I know it is typical of Liberals to blindly follow and you have shown this very thing.
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The primary reason you are on my "ignore" list, and why B_Skurka had to admonish you earlier, is because of your propensity to be a know-it-all and to put words in people's mouths. Talk about twisted! What you "know" about Liberals is about as valid as what you "know" about my weight. Let me simply say that the last descroption you could apply to either me or jdwilson44 is that we are "blind".


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Now as far as JFK yes he did handle the Cuban Missle crisis perfectly. Let me ask you this. What diffrence is there between how JFK handled Cuba than Bush handled Iraq?

I can tell you. If the Naval Blockade of Cuba didnt work JFK would have invaded Cuba! He had all the troops ready to go. Fidel Castro knew it and conceeded.
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Uh - check your history. Fidel Castro had nothing to do with it, and I seriously doubt there would have been an invasion of Cuba. The only thing you got right was the blockade. The confrontation was with Kruschev, not Castro, and the results if Kruschev had not backed down would likely have been WWIII.

The all-important difference is that JFK talked first. GWB attacked first. And, don't give me that crap about the UN; you know as well as I do that people like you have no faith in the UN; you only trot it out when it's convenient, like trying to CBA (Cover Bush's Ass). If Kruschev had not backed down, and we would have had to take action, JFK was prepared to take appropriate action, not the watered-down, piss-ant, ill-prepared and nearly thoughtless approach that Rummy took.

There is absolutely no comparison between JFK and Bush, and I think it's pathetic (and a sign of how little you actually understand) that you would even attempt to make a connection.

Now, back on my "ignore" list.
 
***Very Graphic***

Paul Johnson

Nick Berg

Mr. Armstrong


Do these people look like they can be reasoned with?? (no)
What did these three men do to deserve this?? (nothing)

LOOK AND LEARN! THIS IS THE FACE OF THE ENEMY!

The leadership of IRAN is the support and sponsership behind this. On a national scale this is what they want to do to Isreal and EVERY OTHER NON-MUSLIM NATION!!!!



AMERICA AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, WAKE UP!
 
I'm a firm believer that every American should see at least one of those videos.. Simply to show the kind of animals we are talking about.. They have not evolved in the past couple of hundred years and have no desire to.. They are simply animals.. BTW, has everyone noticed, these murder victems are typicaly civilians there to help rebuild the terrorists homeland??? They are not soldiers that they are in combat against, they are civilians that have done nothing to hurt them but are weak enough for them to take advantage of and kill on the TV for the world to see how "strong" they are....

People in this country need to wake up and realize what is actually going on over there and stop believing the anti Bush propaganda... Regardless of who is in control of our country this stuff needs to be stopped.. Do we remember Nazzi Germany? Or was that fake too? Was there oil in Germany? Did our government get involved there so we could have better sausage? :soapbox:

OK, I'm done for now.........:whistle:
 
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Jdwillson44 let me see,

So what you are saying is to just leave them alone? Dont dare risk angering them. Hell they can only strike Israel so why should we get involved. Why should we get involved. Hmmm Why should we even bother? "When good men stand aside and do nothing Evil prevails" Iran is the biggest trainer of terrorist. Do you at least agree with this? If so then what is one of the most lethal weapons they could use against us? What is the smallest most lethal weapon they could use against us? You act like we just attacked Iraq for the hell of it. You act like we deserved to be attacked on 9/11. Is that what you think? Let me hear you respond to each of my questions. They started this. Them and there twisted evil religion started this. Not us. They hate us because we support Israel. What have the Israelies done to them? Lets see 1967 the 6 day war. HMMM I recall Israel was attacked on three sides by three diffrent nations acting as one unified army. Israel Kicked the living shit out of there enemys! Remember the U.N. They only stopped the war once they saw Israel was totally wiping the sand with there arab asses! They also did it with alot of our military weapons (The French stopped supplying Israel during the war because they were making alot more money from the other guys). What else has Israel done to them to have such a hatred. Oh they are Jews. I guess in you book that is enough of a reason. Yes Israel has had Nuclear weapons for decades. But have they EVER used them? No. But what do you think the Arabs will do if they get a hold of a nuclear device? History has showed the dont need a valid reason to attack Israel. They would use a nuclear weapon in a heart beat and not even care. Hell they starp bombs on there children to go kill Isralies! You see those people are religious freaks. You say Bush is a religious freak or you impled that other people said he is a religious freak. HOW? Because he believs in God? Then I'm a freak. I dont see Bush having peoples heads cut off because they disagree with what he says and then hide behind that so called God Allah. I dont hear Bush saying he is a prophet of God do you? Bushs word is not Law. If I were in Iran I would be executed for writing what I have typed here tonight. Do you think I am jokeing? Answer that one question if you dont answer any of the others. WOULD I BE EXECUTED FOR WRITING WHAT I HAVE WRITTTEN HERE TONIGHT IF I LIVED IN IRAN? The answer is yes. So who is the religious freaks? If they would execute me for what I have written(and remember they would do this to there own and have everyday of the year) then what makes you think they wouldnt attack America if they could. I also said they would do it behind closed doors. Not openly. They are dumb but not stupid. All they need is to supply the weapon. What makes you think they wouldnt?
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Let me ask you a simple question Snowcat - do you believe in the right to own firearms to defend yourself?


And if so then why?
 
Yes I own firearms. Do I go around pointing my barrel in other people faces and threatening them with total destruction. (If I did I would get shot) To proclaim to the world that if you are not a muslim and if you dont convert that I will be head you? (Funny how if you take a country and put a citizen in its place and he started doing what his country is doing. IE threatening everyone around him. How would the police act)

SO AGAIN WHY DONT YOU ANSWER MY ONE QUESTION THAT I ASKED YOU TO ANSWER? JUST THAT ONE? You see I knew you wouldnt even begin to answer my others and now you wont even answer that one simple question.

And as far as okeedon yes Kruschev ordered the weapons back. BUT HE KNEW it would mean war and he knew we would have invaded CUBA. You sir believe hollow threats can achive something. They only work for a while and then you get the crap we are in now because finally SOMEONE had the balls to do what was right. You cant stand the idea that GWB is just like JFK when it come to this matter (hell even on taxes). And as far as the U.N. once again you liberals are sticking your heads in the sand and not seeing any wrong from your beloved idea. THE UN SUCKS. IT IS CORRUPTED BEYOND REPAIR AND YOU STILL BLINDLY FOLLOW IT. You know you people are what have destroyed this great country that JFK help build. YOU have cut off our balls and have thrown them to the wolfs and cant understand why we are so hated in the world. Once you show the enemy we are weak they will try and attack. When you make excuses for those attacks against us you encourage them to do more. MY GOD! thank God we didnt have people like you in power back in the 40s! You would be saying how nice HITLER IS or how we really provoked JAPAN into attacking us!

By the way you had put me on your ignore list before I even asked those questions. WHY? I had never directed anything toward you specifically. Or did you know I was right and you were wrong and just decided you couldnt handle the truth? The truth is scary isnt it? You realized everything you stand for is full of crap! BUT there is hope for you. You can come over to the other side. The side of truth! The TRUTH shall set you free my friend. Take that step and dont get all caught up in the emotions. I am seriuos here. OPen your eyes and you mind and trully think for your self. Quit having someone else tell you how to think. What to say. I wont put you or anybody on my Ignore list. WHY? We are talking about OUR future wether you want to admit that or not. Our childrens future is at stake not some political contest. I dont give a crap about the Republicans or Democrats. BUT I do care about the well being of our GREAT COUNTY! Shouldnt you?
 
Those film clips should be shown at the beginning of EVERY evening news cast along with the video of the towers falling.

We are at war with islam, period. Not because of what GWB did in Iraq, but because of what muhamid did and said 1600 (or whatever) years ago. Convert or die. Plain and simple. Now we should just let them have nuclear weapons?? Where's your brain?

Perspective is what I'm talking about. The power vacuum in Washington will not help us anymore. They won't even secure our borders. (either side of the isle - don't kid yourself these infiltrators are just another voter-block for all of them) It is up to us, the voter, to elect people who will confront these challenges head on. (As long as the voter fraud doesn't impede that, too. But that's another thread to be started later)

With leadership we will survive, with what we have now (demican or republicrat) we will be lost. Read that great Chernobyl site again, There are lots of lessons there. That is the future of America if we continue on this course. Radiation from terrorist attacks and a lost government by the government for the government.


Otherwise we are all dead (or belly-flopping on a prayer rug 7 times a day :puke1: ).
 
Snowcat Operations said:
finally SOMEONE had the balls to do what was right.
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What was right?

btw, I thought the liberals were supposed to be the emotional, irrational ones.:whistle:
 
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