Yes there is a lot of information out there and some of it mis information making it confusing. I have read the $17.00 number in several articles as well as the $50k-$70k per vehicle loss made up by subsidies. It will all come out in the wash
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EV real life experience
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Pretty sure all the $17/gallon equivalent articles draw from one, apparently flawed, Texas report. Looks like lots of partial truths in the study, some double counting? But probably not wrong in principle even if somewhat inflated in costs.
How This Guy Got Tesla Charging Right In -31 Degree Winter Weather
Three successful charging attempts at 3 different types of fast chargers
It turns out that if you know what you are doing, then a Tesla will fast charge without issue even at negative 31 degrees. What's the trick to getting it to charge in extreme cold?The vehicle featured in the video here is a 2022 Tesla Model Y AWD Long Range version and it's being driven in Alberta, Canada. The temperature is around -31 Fahrenheit, though the car's display does show it to be even colder at one point during the video.
We're featuring this video to show a counterpoint to what recently happened in Chicago during an extreme cold spell. In Chicago, countless electric cars were unable to charge due to the extreme cold, but there were numerous reasons for the failed charging, including lack of preconditioning, lack of knowledge of EVs, dead cold rideshare EV batteries, not plugging in for long enough to initiate a charge and so on.
How This Guy Got Tesla Charging Right In -31 Degree Winter Weather
It turns out that if you know what you are doing, then a Tesla will fast charge without issue even at negative 31 degrees. What's the trick to getting it to charge in extreme cold?
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chowderman
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nothing new there. the pre-conditioning is SOP per Telsa since the first model.
rather a lot of the Chicago problems stemmed from batteries that were too depleted and cold to pre-condition the battery.
and as the guy in the parking lot found out, , , L1 and L2 chargers cannot pre-condition the battery and heat the cabin at the same time.
fortunately I don't need to wait 30-60 minutes for the gas pump to pre-condition itself.
rather a lot of the Chicago problems stemmed from batteries that were too depleted and cold to pre-condition the battery.
and as the guy in the parking lot found out, , , L1 and L2 chargers cannot pre-condition the battery and heat the cabin at the same time.
fortunately I don't need to wait 30-60 minutes for the gas pump to pre-condition itself.
Sounds a lot like user error.
I’ve see a lot of people walk along the roadside and carry a gas can too
Usually learn a lesson the hard way once and it is a lesson well learned
I agree with the depleted part, but not to cold. If the battery is too cold to precondition, that's a manufacturing flaw.
To me that is just plain user error if they waited too long to go to the charger if they don't have one available at home.
If that is the case then Tesla needs to fix that issue. Since they use the same systems for heating the battery and heating the cabin (heat pump and motor heating) they need to do a system that works better then.
Yep I agree on that, but if done correctly you will never need to waste any extra time preconditioning the battery. I have never had to wait myself and this is the second winter that I have used my vehicle extensively in the winter time. Charge your vehicle while it's still warm and the vehicle will precondition itself before you need to charge again.
I agree, but I will also say it's not near as big of an inconvenience as everyone likes to make it out to be. Yes we hear the road warrior stories, an EV is definitely not for them.
I saw somewhere someone was complaining about you would have to plug your vehicle in every night. I guarantee you will spend less time plugging your vehicle in every night, then it takes to stop and get gas if all you're doing is short local trips. What does it take? Two or three seconds to plug something in?
This is the main objection I have.
chowderman
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how to:
evehiclepro.com
you see people walking down the road with a gas can because they can't think far enough ahead.
with the EV, you have to think ahead and go program it.
what could possibly go wrong? see: Chicago
Preconditioning Your Tesla Battery: The Complete Guide
August 30, 2024 | Preconditioning your Tesla battery will warm up its battery and optimize its range, regenerative breaking, battery life and comfort
evehiclepro.com
you see people walking down the road with a gas can because they can't think far enough ahead.
with the EV, you have to think ahead and go program it.
what could possibly go wrong? see: Chicago
I'm not worried about plugging it in at home. I see that as a time saver.
I'm more worried about needing to stop, when I normally would not, at someplace out of my way, and sitting for 30 minutes, when I would normally be 30 more minutes closer to home. I rarely drive places where it takes more than 1 tank to get there and back. But I regularly drive places where an EV would not make that same round trip.
Yep. Give it a few years if you're not willing to stop and charge, I bet the technology changes
And yet we blame that EV!how to:
Preconditioning Your Tesla Battery: The Complete Guide
August 30, 2024 | Preconditioning your Tesla battery will warm up its battery and optimize its range, regenerative breaking, battery life and comfort
you see people walking down the road with a gas can because they can't think far enough ahead.
with the EV, you have to think ahead and go program it.
what could possibly go wrong? see: Chicago
My gun shot six people yesterday also.....
chowderman
Well-known member
it's not the EV.
how many people know how to fire up and drive a Stanley Steamer?
how many knew back then? it was a wild success because pre-conditioning was required . . .
how many people know how to fire up and drive a Stanley Steamer?
how many knew back then? it was a wild success because pre-conditioning was required . . .
No, we can't do that. You guys have been relentless about. I can't compare current technology to old technology.
Nor should we try
People make mistakes. I suspect the collective idiots in Chicagoland learned a valuable lesson. I doubt it will occur again. But, just like at the grocery store before a snowstorm, people may queue up in line to charge in advance of sub-zero weather
chowderman
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when the new technology is just as tricky / difficult for the average user, it is no better than the old technology.
why is pre-conditioning not an automatic function?
why does the user have to going 3-4 menus deep to "set it?"
like when the tank is low, the "need gas" light comes on . . . automatically - you don't have to switch on the "need gas alarm" 30-45 minuted before you need gas . . .
why is pre-conditioning not an automatic function?
why does the user have to going 3-4 menus deep to "set it?"
like when the tank is low, the "need gas" light comes on . . . automatically - you don't have to switch on the "need gas alarm" 30-45 minuted before you need gas . . .
It is an automatic function.
I may be missing something on some other brand but there's nothing to set other than telling your car where you're going. In the lightning. That's a simple as saying okay Ford navigate to Billings Montana EA.
They do that with 30% battery left. If you're driving the vehicle any distance, you do not have to precondition. If you let the battery cold soak by not moving, you will need to precondition. You're making this way more complicated than it is.
Typically preconditioning when you are traveling is used to cool the battery. Not heat it. As I've said before, if you charge your battery when the vehicle is warm, you will not cold, soak the battery and not have trouble charging.
I'd say part of the problem here. People who have never used any EV are trying to tell other people who have, this is what I've read so it must be true.
Bingo
But also there is a lot of research to be done by buyers. Some don't do the research. When I was shopping for the lovely Mrs_Bob's new vehicle I plastered these forums with (probably annoying) posts about minutia about various vehicles before narrowing the choices. Research teaches us a lot of things and opens our eyes.
I have friends who were at breakfast, decided to buy a car, drove to Carmax and bought one, financed it because they couldn't afford to buy it, and based their choice on looks. I would suspect that many EV owners in Chicago made similarly uninformed purchase decisions.
chowderman
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well, I read the instructions, so there is that.
if it's automatic, why the step by step instructions on how to set it to one of three modes?
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You're making this way more complicated than it is.
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that's what they told the Chicago buyers.
if it's automatic, why the step by step instructions on how to set it to one of three modes?
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You're making this way more complicated than it is.
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that's what they told the Chicago buyers.
There's instructions for a lot of things that are automatic if you choose to do the manually. Or it could possibly be you are not understanding the directions because you don't own an EV and don't understand a lot of the nomenclatures?
I doubt it. I'm sure the salesman tossed them the keys and said have fun. Salesman never explain what's important. I have a very low respect for salesman. I've come across very few in my life that I would trust.
chowderman
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simple fact.
either Chicago is all highly paid idiots who can't take care of a car
or
it's really not working so well.
it is simply unrealistic to dismiss all the not-good-press-reports-etc basing it on the users are incompetent.
the EV technology has real world limits - whether you accept that fact or not.
either Chicago is all highly paid idiots who can't take care of a car
or
it's really not working so well.
it is simply unrealistic to dismiss all the not-good-press-reports-etc basing it on the users are incompetent.
the EV technology has real world limits - whether you accept that fact or not.
as do all vehicles. What about the uninformed person that doesn't know or read they have to put number one diesel, blended, or additive so there diesel does not jell up? Is that the fault of the vehicle? The person that ruins their engine because they did not know or read that they had to put 91 octane in it and always put 85 in it? The guy that ruins his cooling system because he put green antifreeze in one that uses red? You can't blame the vehicle when people choose to be uninformed
Not trying to dump on EVs as I do think they can make sense for many people.
But it seems obviously that the EV push has come to fast too soon. There are simply not enough chargers.
www.offthepress.com
But it seems obviously that the EV push has come to fast too soon. There are simply not enough chargers.
NYC Tesla Owners Rage At Musk As Huge Lines Make It 'Impossible' To Charge Cars
The influx of Tesla rideshare drivers in New York City has caused significant congestion at the automaker’s Supercharger stations, leading Tesla to implement a new rule to alleviate the issue. The shortage of charging stations and the growing number of electric vehicle (EV) rideshare drivers has...
www.offthepress.com
NYC Tesla Owners Rage At Musk As Huge Lines Make It ‘Impossible’ To Charge Cars
The influx of Tesla rideshare drivers in New York City has caused significant congestion at the automaker’s Supercharger stations, leading Tesla to implement a new rule to alleviate the issue. The shortage of charging stations and the growing number of electric vehicle (EV) rideshare drivers has resulted in extended waiting times, with reports of drivers waiting for up to 90 minutes to charge their vehicles at Supercharger stations in Coney Island.
According to Tesla, Superchargers offer the fastest charging option for drivers when away from home, with the ability to charge a vehicle up to 200 miles in just 15 minutes. However, the limited availability of charging infrastructure in New York City has left many Tesla drivers frustrated with lengthy wait times and a loss of potential income.
The situation has been further exacerbated by recent changes to New York City’s regulations regarding the types of cars eligible for for-hire licenses, leading to a surge in EV rideshare drivers with little infrastructure reciprocation. As a result, the increased demand for charging stations has left many drivers waiting in lines that can stretch for hours, causing frustration and financial losses.
The issue has prompted Tesla to take action, with the company implementing a new rule to prioritize charging for rideshare drivers who have more immediate charging needs. The new rule has been designed to streamline the charging process and reduce wait times for drivers, allowing them to get back on the road and take advantage of the growing market for EV rideshare services.
Despite Tesla’s efforts, many drivers are still facing significant challenges when it comes to charging their vehicles in the city. With limited options for infrastructure and the continued growth of the EV rideshare market, it is clear that more needs to be done to address the issue and ensure drivers have access to reliable and efficient charging services.
chowderman
Well-known member
congrats in order for all those first adopters who are now last chargers to taxis.
feel great, don't it?
feel great, don't it?
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
False virtue can be an expensive choice even when the product is moderately useful.
This episode at the charging stations was "epic."
All the early adopters, and I know several, installed home chargers.
Early adopters didn't really have much option to charge at the Tesla Superchargers because that network didn't really exist.
My suspicion is that these are later adopters, especially those using Teslas as ride-share vehicles. They may drive several hundred miles a day and both charge at home and have to hit a charging station.
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
But you do. You have flooded this forum with your cost comparison of IC cars to electric. To be fair that is the test that emerging technology must take to meet and beat old technology.
At the moment, in practical use, EV's are not yet there. It's not just the charging issues, but the universal, reliable and comprehensive use an IC vehicle brings to the customer.
The governments of the western world are doing anything and everything to eliminate practical IC powered vehicles before the chosen replacements have been developed to do so.
I was stumbling around the REAL CLEAR Energy, REAL CLEAR Politics, REAL CLEAR. . . pages and not really looking for anything other than reading the news. Found this story instead.
It's a fairly long story because it details the individual stories on 7 EV owners. Of the 7 EV owners who were interviewed, exactly 100% of them where very happy with their vehicles, none ranked their car below an "8 out of 10" on a scale of happiness with their choice to switch to an EV.
Biggest complaint is public charging access, and that is almost universal for all the owners.
www.insidehook.com
Below is just the INTRODUCTION to the story, to read the actual owner interviews follow the link above.
It's a fairly long story because it details the individual stories on 7 EV owners. Of the 7 EV owners who were interviewed, exactly 100% of them where very happy with their vehicles, none ranked their car below an "8 out of 10" on a scale of happiness with their choice to switch to an EV.
Biggest complaint is public charging access, and that is almost universal for all the owners.
Are Americans Really Disappointed in EVs? We Asked 7 Owners.
From a 20-something in MN to a retiree in FL, here's what they said
www.insidehook.com
Below is just the INTRODUCTION to the story, to read the actual owner interviews follow the link above.
Are Americans Really Disappointed in EVs? We Asked 7 Owners.
From a 27-year-old in Minnesota to a 68-year-old in Florida, we spoke with a range of buyers who decided to go electric
By Alex Lauer
January 25, 2024 6:21 am
The ascendancy of electric vehicles is a truly astonishing thing to behold. It was only back in 2010 that the Nissan Leaf, the first mass-market EV, was released in the United States. Less than 15 years later, almost every major manufacturer has a fully-electric car, truck or SUV for sale, and Americans are buying them in record numbers: nearly 1.2 million vehicles in 2023, per Kelley Blue Book, which is an impressive 7.6% of the total market, up from 5.9% in 2022.
However, if you’ve read the news (or possibly just skimmed headlines) about the automotive sector in the last month, you may be under the impression that Americans have actually decided they don’t want electrified cars. The Wall Street Journal gave a November feature the provocative headline “Are Americans Falling Out of Love With EVs?” but quickly wrote in the story that, actually, “the jury is out”; that didn’t stop their editorial board from issuing an opinion this month that claimed “Americans don’t like the product.” Elsewhere in the media, the focus has been more on slowing EV sales that haven’t met the expectations of automakers, not assuming that buyers themselves are turning their nose up at the electric experience.
So how do Americans really feel about electric cars? It’s a tough question to answer on the whole. While 7.6% of the new car market is a huge slice for what is essentially an emerging technology, that’s still a small number compared to the millions of gas-powered vehicles sold in 2023. Then there’s the fact that experiences vary widely around the country: certain electric models are only available in select markets, public chargers are much more widely available in certain areas and then there’s the weather factor.
Instead of pulling opinions out of thin air, we spoke to seven Americans (ranging in age from 27 to 73) from different parts of the country (Colorado, Iowa, Florida, Minnesota and New Jersey) who made the switch to an EV sometime in the last six months. Their reasons for taking the plunge are wildly different, and so are their thoughts on what they’ve liked and disliked about the experience so far. One thing that they do have in common? They’re far from disillusioned about the promises of electrification. . .