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EV real life experience

Very interesting thread. Good stuff guys.



So it takes a lot longer to charge in cold weather, so it costs more. Is it actually using more electricity to charge in the cold?
Yes, definitely. The battery itself is not accepting anymore, your losses are heating The battery. heating the passenger compartment if you are choosing to do that, if you're not in the vehicle, why heat it.

I am definitely 100% spoiled in this situation. I park my vehicle's in a heated garage have for years. I do not take the range hits.

My company vehicle does sit outside but I plug it in also. Negative 30° weather and a Dodge ram. Don't get along real well either. Lol
 
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They just opened the highway. Closed within 30 minutes due to an accident. 4 days in. Yes, I would really want to be relying solely on battery power to keep me alive in -30 temperatures for 4 days.


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Are you saying people stayed in their vehicles for four days?
I could see that happening.

Although I'd guess that most are smart enough to turn around. There are stretches of road with no turn offs, and no towns, and no gas stations, etc and those are MANY MILES LONG.
 
I could see that happening.

Although I'd guess that most are smart enough to turn around. There are stretches of road with no turn offs, and no towns, and no gas stations, etc and those are MANY MILES LONG.
I'm not trying to defend EVs here either. But there's no way you're going to stay warm in your vehicle, gas or electric for four days. If you made that many poor choices. Darwin is going to win.
 
I'm not trying to defend EVs here either. But there's no way you're going to stay warm in your vehicle, gas or electric for four days. If you made that many poor choices. Darwin is going to win.
Yup

We were on the north side of Superior when there was a wreck 50 miles east and they closed the whole roadway. Literally shut down for 16-ish hours. I don't know what alert system they used, but we were alerted by the hotel owner where we were staying. He went door to door and told us we should not leave if we were traveling eastbound.

I also remember that WaWa was off the beaten path a bit for many years, now has actual road access, but damn if the weather is bad you better plan ahead because are some really long stretches of road where nobody is going to survive if the weather is bad and they get out of their vehicle. If they lose power and can't maintain heat they will freeze if nobody finds them.
 
Are you saying people stayed in their vehicles for four days?

Yes! Exactly. There is no place to go. It's basically a couple of hours of bush between small communities of about 1500 population max. People were trapped in their vehicles for 4 days as the highway was closed due to snow squalls. No alternate routes. Nothing. Temperatures were between -20 and -30 celcius with snow squalls.
 
Yes! Exactly. There is no place to go. It's basically a couple of hours of bush between small communities of about 1500 population max. People were trapped in their vehicles for 4 days as the highway was closed due to snow squalls. No alternate routes. Nothing. Temperatures were between -20 and -30 celcius with snow squalls.
I could certainly see that happening.

I rode that in the summer and did it with extra food, a spare gas bladder and a SPOT Satellite communicator. Even with a new 4wd truck, I would not travel that road without at least and extra 5 gallon gas can, food, blankets, shovels, etc.

And max population of 1500 . . . but some places it was closer to 150 people.

Honestly I probably wouldn't travel that road in the WINTER in anything that is not seriously equipped for emergency and extreme conditions. Tesla SUV. Fisker SUV. Hyundai SUV. Ford Lightning. Probably not even consider any of those, not even with snow tires. It is a long way from west to east. Thunder Bay to Terrace Bay has a bunch of small towns. SMALL. TINY. But east from Terrace Bay there is almost nothing. And then there is the stretch going to Wawa from the west. Literally nothing.

Assume frigid weather. (reduced battery output) Assume bad road conditions.



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I could certainly see that happening.

I rode that in the summer and did it with extra food, a spare gas bladder and a SPOT Satellite communicator. Even with a new 4wd truck, I would not travel that road without at least and extra 5 gallon gas can, food, blankets, shovels, etc.

And max population of 1500 . . . but some places it was closer to 150 people.

Yes. I know you understand the desolation up here. 😆

That's why I think the 2035 mandated government deadline to switch solely to electric is ridiculous. Honestly. Can you see this area being able to sustain a switch to solely electric vehicles?
 
Part of the issue is people's mentality these days. In their minds. Everything is so important. Used to be the weather was bad. You stayed home. Not so much anymore. I've risked my life numerous times to rescue people that think it's a good idea to take a dirt back road when a busy asphalt road is closed because of the weather. Makes no sense.
 
Yes. I know you understand the desolation up here. 😆

That's why I think the 2035 mandated government deadline to switch solely to electric is ridiculous. Honestly. Can you see this area being able to sustain a switch to solely electric vehicles?
No believe me you've made that very very clear. Lol and as I have said many times never going to happen. Unless your government is way more efficient than ours. Politics change all the time. 11 years is a long time. Something new and more green will come along to catch their eye. Lol
 
Part of the issue is people's mentality these days. In their minds. Everything is so important. Used to be the weather was bad. You stayed home. Not so much anymore. I've risked my life numerous times to rescue people that think it's a good idea to take a dirt back road when a busy asphalt road is closed because of the weather. Makes no sense.
Fencing Practice tonight at Purdue University.

I cancelled my trip to Purdue tonight.

We have 4-6" of snow coming this evening at home. I typically depart my home at 6:30pm.

I drive roughly 80 miles straight south to Purdue's campus 3x per week.

There are 2-3" of snow projected this evening for the Purdue campus. Practice ends at MIDNIGHT and it is a 90 minute drive to get home under good road conditions. After I leave campus I can literally drive 80 miles and only see a half dozen vehicles traveling that roadway at 1am between campus and home.

That 80 miles is rural Indiana, I go thru 1 small town, skirt the edge of town of 3 or 4 smaller towns, populations are 350 to 1500. Some towns have a gas station. Only 2 of those towns have a pharmacy, same 2 towns have a Dollar General and 2 gas stations.

Lots of farm fields covered in snow. Road is a North/South track. Prevailing winds from the west. BLOWING & DRIFTING is the default weather condition when it snows.

Seriously looked at the Hyundai Ionic 5. AWD version has a range of 260 in ideal conditions. Assume 220 miles in frigid weather? So range is good enough to get me to campus and back. Should have 25% battery remaining if I start at 100% charge. In good weather I would not see any problem with that journey. In frigid weather, maybe not so much. I'm sure there are several public chargers near/at the Purdue campus, I don't know where they are. I've never noticed one while driving down there/back, but I suspect I just didn't notice them.
 
Fencing Practice tonight at Purdue University.

I cancelled my trip to Purdue tonight.

We have 4-6" of snow coming this evening at home. I typically depart my home at 6:30pm.

I drive roughly 80 miles straight south to Purdue's campus 3x per week.

There are 2-3" of snow projected this evening for the Purdue campus. Practice ends at MIDNIGHT and it is a 90 minute drive to get home under good road conditions. After I leave campus I can literally drive 80 miles and only see a half dozen vehicles traveling that roadway at 1am between campus and home.

That 80 miles is rural Indiana, I go thru 1 small town, skirt the edge of town of 3 or 4 smaller towns, populations are 350 to 1500. Some towns have a gas station. Only 2 of those towns have a pharmacy, same 2 towns have a Dollar General and 2 gas stations.

Lots of farm fields covered in snow. Road is a North/South track. Prevailing winds from the west. BLOWING & DRIFTING is the default weather condition when it snows.

Seriously looked at the Hyundai Ionic 5. AWD version has a range of 260 in ideal conditions. Assume 220 miles in frigid weather? So range is good enough to get me to campus and back. Should have 25% battery remaining if I start at 100% charge. In good weather I would not see any problem with that journey. In frigid weather, maybe not so much. I'm sure there are several public chargers near/at the Purdue campus, I don't know where they are. I've never noticed one while driving down there/back, but I suspect I just didn't notice them.
Having never driven or researched that car. See what people are seeing for range before you purchase. The cold weather seems to really affect some EVs and others don't seem to care so much. I also think if you have a warm place to park which I believe you do makes a huge difference.
 
So after a bunch of research what I learned about the Teslas the way they produce heat when the heat pump will not keep up, they use the drive motors. Essentially they are applying the brakes on the vehicle (not actually the brakes. It's the only way I can think to explain it) they're basically pushing energy to the motor that's not driving the car.
I am pretty sure they have a grid heater when it is needed.
Tesla if the car is say outside in the winter requires a preconditioning or warming of the battery that can take up to an hour before you drive it for max range in the cold. It also makes charging faster as well in the cold.
But if inside this will not take as long. Requires 10KW to get the job done if I remember correctly.
 
But I thought that was one of the things about ev's that everyone was bragging about? That you don't have to worry about warming up your vehicle?

Just trying to play a scenario out in my mind. Currently in the winter, I check the forecast and if it's going to be ice cold, I plug in the block heater in my truck. Then start it 10 minutes prior to leaving to warm it up. I'm guessing that the battery preheat thing on an ev would be the same thing? Just curious how that works. Is it something that you can pre program the night before? Or would I have to get up an hour earlier in the morning to do it?
 
Sitting here pondering the whole electric vehicle thing and got to thinking about my truck and one of the things I have been complaining about for years. All the 🤬 electronics on vehicles these days where everything has a sensor and just about a million different things can throw a code on a vehicle and, as you can see from the picture in the post, road salt is a HUGE factor in vehicle life. Most vehicles up here start having sensor issues pop up after 5 or 6 years. Half the time, the backup sensor in my truck gives a fault. I've had to replace the trailer wiring harness twice on the truck in 5 years due to salt corrosion. And washing a vehicle is pointless in the winter here as you drive a block and it's covered in road salt.

With vehicles switching to electric, how's the salt going to affect them?
 
But I thought that was one of the things about ev's that everyone was bragging about? That you don't have to worry about warming up your vehicle?

Just trying to play a scenario out in my mind. Currently in the winter, I check the forecast and if it's going to be ice cold, I plug in the block heater in my truck. Then start it 10 minutes prior to leaving to warm it up. I'm guessing that the battery preheat thing on an ev would be the same thing? Just curious how that works. Is it something that you can pre program the night before? Or would I have to get up an hour earlier in the morning to do it?
I do not have a Tesla so I cannot say how that vehicle works. But the Ford the precondition function warms the interior and the battery from the charger. If you are not plugged into a charger, it just warms the cabin. And in my experience It doesn't make any range difference whether or not you do this. (As soon as you start driving the battery and the motors produce heat and warm themselves) Unless you need to charge the battery immediately. Scenario you put the vehicle away needing a charge and did not charge it overnight. That's not who I am so I've never experienced that. If the vehicle needed charged. I would do it the night before unless I was able to charge at the hotel or such overnight.

Yes, you can set a schedule to precondition.
I also think we're using the wrong word precondition but for the life of me this morning I can't think of the correct word.

To me, preconditioning is something you do as you are driving to a DC fast charger to get the optimum charging speed.

Let me wake up more. I'll try to come back with the correct word. Lol
 
Yah. I was thinking that you must be able to pre program it to "warm up" the battery or whatever term it is. I was thinking that if it's plugged in overnight I'd have to get up an hour earlier to set something to warm it up. 🤔
 
I do not have a Tesla so I cannot say how that vehicle works. But the Ford the precondition function warms the interior and the battery
Battery To just above freezing is what I've been told.
from the charger. If you are not plugged into a charger, it just warms the cabin. And in my experience It doesn't make any range difference whether or not you do this. (As soon as you start driving the battery and the motors produce heat and warm themselves) Unless you need to charge the battery immediately. Scenario you put the vehicle away needing a charge and did not charge it overnight. That's not who I am so I've never experienced that. If the vehicle needed charged. I would do it the night before unless I was able to charge at the hotel or such overnight.

Yes, you can set a schedule to precondition.
I also think we're using the wrong word precondition but for the life of me this morning I can't think of the correct word.
Everyday at 3:30 the truck remote starts. Maybe that's a better word. So that way my lovely wife is able to get into a baking hot truck. Lol
To me, preconditioning is something you do as you are driving to a DC fast charger to get the optimum charging speed.
I would say this is more apt to be used in the summer rather than the winter when the battery needs to be cooled versus heated. As you are driving the vehicle, it is producing heat.
Let me wake up more. I'll try to come back with the correct word. Lol
Remote start? That still doesn't seem to be the correct phrase.
 
A home EV charger uses 10KW? Damn, that would kill my electric bill.
My home charger can use 20 KW. Lol
Price will depend on what you pay per kilowatt hour. Ford lightning that 10kw would drive you 20 mi, a Tesla probably 35 to 40 miles. So if you are paying $0.15 a kilowatt hour, That makes it a pretty cheap ride if you're charging at home.
 
Add to that the savings incurred when you buy a tax subsidized EV. For those who have not noticed, every taxpayer, whether or not they support EV's, is paying for that.

Is it really, then, cheaper?
 
50-$70,000.00per vehicle and the equivalent of $17.00 a gallon in electricity is what is being subsidized by the taxpayer
 
Would you mind posting the link?
I’ve seen several reports of the costs of EV if the various subsidies are taken into account. Below is 1 example. I do not know if it is accurate. It claims the cost equivalent is $17.33/gallon (as per the date of the study)


'Overcharged': Major Study Shows True Cost of Owning an EV, 'Fueling' Equal to $17.33 Per Gallon​

 
Reading a pile of articles,
People are talking a lot about the large losses that the OEMs are experiencing per vehicle, the calculations that a lot of them are using are dividing up what it cost to retool rework and rebuild for the EV lines. And trying to divide this huge loss billions of dollars up between a very small amount of vehicle's. As they build more, the loss per vehicle goes down.
the OEMs have huge expenses tooling up for these new vehicles. Along with the startup companies having huge expenses.

Googling into the $17.33 a gallon which in itself does not make a whole lot of sense because EVs don't get gallons of electricity. Lol so I guess they are referring to the 33.1 KWH to 1 gallon of gasoline. Which by the way is 52 cents per kilowatt.
A couple places where even trying to justify that figure by counting the 7.5b for chargers, which not a penny has been spent yet.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/05/congress-ev-chargers-billions-00129996


Oh I'm sure there's more but there's tons of mud slinging on both sides.
What's the saying "haters going to hate lover's going to love".
 
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