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Work....Big wigs...

Lithium

Lithium

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Ok so I need some honest opinions. Sometimes I am not very good with my words especially when I am upset and disgusted. Tomorrow the “BIG WIGS” of the company are coming over to talk with us and ask questions about how we feel about where we work, who we work for…how things are going etc.

In all honesty it pretty much sucks here…People come here and do what they feel they have to do (with minimum effort) in order to pick up their wage. They get the heck out of there as fast as they can (the most dangerous place to be is at the front door at finishing time) so they can go and be and do what it is that really excites and engages them.

You can’t live without a paycheck and no one is hiring so people stay here even though it’s bad….


I am afraid if I really speak up they will fire my ass- I am already on thin wires with them for being wrongly accused of something that happened earlier this year. I love what I do I just dont like who I work with or for.

Thoughts-Opinions?
 
Brag up the good points of your job. Whining about the bad things is going to fall on deaf ears anyway. Management never wants to hear anything negative about their management style.

If you do have a suggestion for improvement, tell them you have an idea that may help them save money and labor costs, then you will have their ear.

Otherwise, plan on looking for another job in a place you like to go to work at. But do it while you are still employed!
 
Most the complaints that people have done have fell on deaf ears...Great point...it just sucks that you need to blow smoke up their asses all the time
 
Lithium said:
Most the complaints that people have done have fell on deaf ears...Great point...it just sucks that you need to blow smoke up their asses all the time
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Most management styles don't pay attention to the workers, they just want to get results at the lowest costs. In places like that, the morale is pretty low and the people that stay in a place like that, do so because they need the work and just shut up and keep their heads down.

Hopefully you will be able to get something that will make your outlook on a job much better.

Big difference in "Kissing up" to the bosses and "Telling them" about what you like about your job.

What kind of work do you do?

Good luck!
 
They may ask for your opinions but they don't want to hear them. It's all a PR exercise. If you have anything positive to say, let it out. Keep the negatives to yourself. If you have any "small" constructive suggestions for tweeking the company that doesn't involve firing management, reorganizing the whole company, then introduce them in conversation but they don't really want to hear how badly they are screwing up. JMHO.
 
In today's economy, I would say +1 to foggy's advice.

There are way too many people out of work today that they can get.

Looking for a more desirable job is the best plan, and yes, do it while you are still employed. It is easier to find work while you are employed and it saves you a period of time that you are without a paycheck.
 
Fogtender- I work for one of the biggest healthcare providers in PA. I am a medical assistant

I really have nothing good to say about them or to them. They will want to hear something from me...
 
Lithium said:
Fogtender- I work for one of the biggest healthcare providers in PA. I am a medical assistant

I really have nothing good to say about them or to them. They will want to hear something from me...
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Then tell them you like your time off! They may give it to you!:yum:

Sorry, that just kinda popped in there....:whistling:

Then smile and say you are content with the way things are, the blisters on your tongue will go down after awhile.:glare:
 
A few thoughts.

Don't go into it empty handed. Have some things ready but "get a feel" for how it's going (based on the general tone and how things are being perceived by all parties). Don't speak up unless called out specifically or if you feel some idea of yours is pertinent.

Don't go in with just problems. Go in with potential solutions for the problems.

Edit to add: Be honest. Tactful, but honest.
 
I was thinking along the same lines.

Tactful, but honest is good. Keep it short and to the point too; whether a positive or negative comment, State the issue and why you feel that way. Don't go in to details or a lot of examples. If you have to get in to details, again, short and to the point.

Even if it is mostly non-postive feel for the company, come to the meeting with at least a couple example of positive things, even if you do not feel they are are really really positives.

bczoom said:
A few thoughts.

Don't go into it empty handed. Have some things ready but "get a feel" for how it's going (based on the general tone and how things are being perceived by all parties). Don't speak up unless called out specifically or if you feel some idea of yours is pertinent.

Don't go in with just problems. Go in with potential solutions for the problems.

Edit to add: Be honest. Tactful, but honest.
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Babe, they cannot fire you for speaking the truth, even if it is negative about the company, that's illegal and you would have cause for a MAJOR lawsuit. I'd tell them everything, with examples without naming names if you can help it. Make a bulleted list tonight if you have time of things you want to discuss. Unfortuntely, if all you have is people do the bare minimum and run for the door at 5pm, you don't have anything. If they're actually breaking company policy, that's different.
 
Today's job market demands that you suck it up and just be polite and positive. I would not tell them much at all about any thing even if they ask. You are in a no win situation with your profession and how management in it functions. They don't want to really hear it and will terminate a few to set examples. As for a lawsuit if they fire you, good luck with that. You had better be set financially to wait out 3 years of jerking around to get a resolution which will most likely go against you. Take it from someone who has been there and succeeded at getting back pay and unemployment after being fired. If I was not anal about keeping records better than they did I would have never won my appeal.
 
Diva102 said:
Babe, they cannot fire you for speaking the truth, even if it is negative about the company, that's illegal and you would have cause for a MAJOR lawsuit. I'd tell them everything, with examples without naming names if you can help it. Make a bulleted list tonight if you have time of things you want to discuss. Unfortuntely, if all you have is people do the bare minimum and run for the door at 5pm, you don't have anything. If they're actually breaking company policy, that's different.
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No, they can't fire you for speaking the truth, but if they want you gone they will find something to fire you for legally. It's tough to beat a big corporation at that game. Whistle blowing (if that is what you are talking about) can come back on you in the worst way for the most unforeseen circumstance. It can get ugly and add even more stress to your life.
If it's a complaint about something not being done right, turn it into a suggestion on how to do it right. Like the others said, try to be positive or don't say anything at all. The "Big Wigs" already think they know it all, they are simply trying to be PC.
Good luck.
 
Lithium,
As you have said you are on thin ice right now, so you have to approach this very carefully. Being blunt and blurting out all the shortcomings could get you booted for something else very soon. Having one day to prepare for this is going to be tough. I know you see issues that need corrected, but be tactful bringing them up. One thing I have learned about my manager who has only been there for 4 years (I've been here going on 22 years). If I want to bitch about an problem, I better have a solution for it. Or at least a suggestion on how to fix it. If it's a problem and you're not willing to help correct it, they won't listen to you. You're just another whiner then.

That's your best bet at this point, suggest some solutions to fix a few minor issues. If need be, offer to help take charge of getting it fixed.
 
Lithium, whatever you do, be positive and offer suggestions for improvement, as appropriate.

Under no circumstances should you "pile on" if others are giving management a hard time. Managers will fondly remember those that were polite and constructive. The last thing management wants is a bunch of people bitching about the way things are.

If there is a lot of bitching, you should offer solutions to resolve the problem. You may get some ribbing/kidding from your fellow employees, but you are there to advance your career, not the career of your fellow employees.

Again, be positive and supportive. Show that you care about your job and the company.

Bob
 
Okay, Lith - Here's my best advise:

Keep your head down and your mouth shut and keep looking for a better place to work. Nothing good can come of honesty in an atmosphere such as what you describe. No one there wants to hear honesty. They only want to hear what they want to hear, anything else will get you a pink ticket out.

Been there, done that. I know.
 
Do a serious new-job search and get out.

----OR------

When I did work for big companies, I always told them what they really did not want to hear. Never got fired neither. But I did not whine. I presented the issues, the consequences of those issues, what could be done about the issue, and what the expected outcomes of those repair actions would or could be. In dollars and cents - that's about all us "big wigs" understand.

Employee retention has value, and can be quantified.
Safety has value, and can be quantified.
Quality has value, and can be quantified
Customer satisfaction has value, and can be quantified.

If you go in whining about personal compensation, all bets are off.

Another thought to consider. If you are not in a resort town, why would they be coming? Could be to id the miscreants, but more likely the place isn't doing well, and they are seriously looking at the performance of local management. I also seriously doubt they are coming to look at line or hourly workers; that's the job of the local management team.

BUT DO NOT WHINE! State your case and what you believe solutions could be, in a positive tone. And if you truly feel deeply about your plan to fix things, then be excited. Be a part of the solution.

On the other hand, if you have no plan, only gripes, then you, unfortunately are a whiner and a part of the problem.

Just think about that. I am not attempting to be a jerk. I am attempting to make sure you understand where you fit in the big picture.

Care to start sharing your plan for improvement?
 
Doc said:
No, they can't fire you for speaking the truth, but if they want you gone they will find something to fire you for legally. It's tough to beat a big corporation at that game. Whistle blowing (if that is what you are talking about) can come back on you in the worst way for the most unforeseen circumstance. It can get ugly and add even more stress to your life.
If it's a complaint about something not being done right, turn it into a suggestion on how to do it right. Like the others said, try to be positive or don't say anything at all. The "Big Wigs" already think they know it all, they are simply trying to be PC.
Good luck.
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No, it can't actually. Ever since Enron there are new laws in place to protect whistle blowers. If these aren't your immediate supervisors, tell them the truth. They're likely the only people who will listen to complaints.
 
Nobody likes to listen to complaints. Most everybody will listen to well thought out solutions.

If she goes complaining, I can guarantee you she will be labeled as such, and any future communication will be discounted based on her complaining.

Please don't go in complaining. If that's all you have to offer, say nothing but hello and good bye.
 
Diva102 said:
Babe, they cannot fire you for speaking the truth, even if it is negative about the company, that's illegal and you would have cause for a MAJOR lawsuit. I'd tell them everything, with examples without naming names if you can help it. Make a bulleted list tonight if you have time of things you want to discuss. Unfortuntely, if all you have is people do the bare minimum and run for the door at 5pm, you don't have anything. If they're actually breaking company policy, that's different.
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Come back to the real world Diva . If they want you gone than they will sit back and wait and sooner or later they will hand you your head on a platter .

Work from the inside , an build on suggestions for a better working place that will increase production that will increase the bottom profit line . Managers like to hear that kind of stuff
 
BigAl said:
Come back to the real world Diva . If they want you gone than they will sit back and wait and sooner or later they will hand you your head on a platter .

Work from the inside , an build on suggestions for a better working place that will increase production that will increase the bottom profit line . Managers like to hear that kind of stuff
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Well, Mr. Bundy, my law degree says otherwise, so maybe you're not living in the real world. They don't need a reason to get rid of anyone in PA, it's an at will state, but even still if these guys come in and ASK THE EMPLOYEES FOR INPUT, she cannot be terminted for telling them what she thinks, likely anything she tells them will be confidential anyway. Higher ups in large companies like that do not usually pay visits to smaller offices like that unless there is a reason, and usually the reason is a complaint.

And since I personally know her and know the company she's talking about and the issues she's talking about, I'd say my opinion would be a little more accurate than yours. Now, with all this said, on the EXTREMELY off chance that she would be terminated, I'll personally fight her court battle and she knows what a bitch I can be when people F with my friends and the law.
 
Lithium, go to work with a positive outlook and smile a lot! :flowers:

Then take notes and tell us all the sorid details when you get home!:yum:

Start looking for other jobs if that place is that depressing, don't tell anyone what you are doing until you give a two weeks notice and all the "T's" are crossed and the "i's" are dotted!

Good luck!
 
Diva102 said:
I'll personally fight her court battle and she knows what a bitch I can be when people F with my friends and the law.
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That's all she needs is a lawyer advising her on what she can and can't do. Jeezuz - why does it have to be about court all the time with lawyers? Beat my chest, I can win any lawsuit! Guess what, less than half "win".

I have a feeling that if that company is half as bad as you two make it out to be, they are well placed with very good lawyers and have the right people under their thumb.

But somehow, I am guessing you have heard only one side of the story there, from the whiners, and don't know the entire story.

Is you plan to make things better there to get your friend fired and then sue them? Sounds like a real solution.


Mr Bundy? That's a real pro there............
 
Diva102 said:
Well, Mr. Bundy, my law degree says otherwise, so maybe you're not living in the real world. They don't need a reason to get rid of anyone in PA, it's an at will state, but even still if these guys come in and ASK THE EMPLOYEES FOR INPUT, she cannot be terminted for telling them what she thinks, likely anything she tells them will be confidential anyway. Higher ups in large companies like that do not usually pay visits to smaller offices like that unless there is a reason, and usually the reason is a complaint.

And since I personally know her and know the company she's talking about and the issues she's talking about, I'd say my opinion would be a little more accurate than yours. Now, with all this said, on the EXTREMELY off chance that she would be terminated, I'll personally fight her court battle and she knows what a bitch I can be when people F with my friends and the law.
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I Never have said I was living in the real world , only that I retired very successful at 47 after owning a number of companies . I was a boss and I was a worker bee too . I guess it was just dumb ass luck on my part .

Check the economy Diva ... It sucks . Jobs are tough to find . Its pick and choose right now on the bosses side . Make waves and more than likely you will be down the road and I really do not give two hoots how many law degrees you have to fight for her rights .
I treated my people fair and expected the same in return . Not all companies work like that . Not every story ends with a fairy tell ending . While your protecting and defending her rights to prove her case in court , whose paying the bills to feed her family ????
She needs to protect her job and keep looking to improve herself so when the time is right , she will have the best chance at that promotion or an upgrade to another company .


BTW ??? Who the hell is Mr. Bundy ????:unsure:

Oh And welcome to the FF group !
 
Al Bundy- Married with children sitcom.
 

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I would not say anything to endanger my job in today's job market. The outlook for finding another job at all is not good. Finding a similar paying job could be years away.
 
Lith, you have received a lot of good advice tonight by a lot of smart people that care about you. I agree with the ones who say go in with a good attitude, present problems as you see them, most of all give solutions . Not make it a whine fest. Rusty's sister may be a good lawyer, but as you say - you work for a major health care company. I'm sure they have a team of expensive lawyers with unlimited resources. just my .002 cents.
 
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