switching political beliefs as you grow up?

[ddrane2115]

Then the articles goes and talks about a doctor from Minnesota and an RN in Oregon that takes in anyone regardless of insurance or not. They have spent a fortune on their educations and have to pay back college loans and yet they are happy making $50k a year. Wish that these type of people actually wanted to run for a political office. Instead, we get the former.

I applaud these people. What a concept, use what you have and help someone while NOT making a fortune on it.

When this country decides that the race for the white house should be won on MERIT, NOT DOLLARS and of course the usual BS, the party system will go to hell where it belongs, and the rich will not spend millions of THEIR OWN MONEY to get a job that pays 400K, they wont care.

Back to reality, and to sifting out the bs from the bs.

 

[ddrane2115]

And, you know, that's really a shame. Not your specific reference, but in general. An odd thing is that it seems to run almost as much in both directions. I briefly thought about running for a commissioner seat, but when absolutely nothing came up in any background check on me, I was told that it would look like I was using a fake identity and, therefore, hiding something. I think I have been normal, maybe just lucky. Just the thought of people pouring over anything I've ever done and trying to pry any dirt out of anyone I've ever known is not appealing. I know some people who would make up something on almost anyone just for the attention.

Dargo and Don:

I HAVE run for local public office, town council. Believe me, they dont care. There was not one bit of dirt, and they did not even try to dig any up. In fact I called the paper when they put my name last on the list, when I was FIRST to register to run..............they agreed with me. I did not win as the parties had whomt they wanted and I am not a party man. I was very active in my town for a long time after that, and would consider again, but it is not worth the hassle.

 

[ddrane2115]

My true interests lie in bringing the country back to its roots in the US Constitution as ORIGINALLY written and intended by our founding fathers steeped in Jeffersonian conservative values.


Sweet!

 

[ddrane2115]

Your loss, Sonny. Read and learn!

I also think O.J. did it.

what, you mean he really did............oh man

 

[Gwill]

Let's set up a real debate scenario.

Compare and contrast the possibility that the Clintons were responsible for Vince Foster's death with the possibility that George Bush is responsible for the deaths of over 2000 American troops.

Take into account that the both situations have been exhaustively researched and, as Bod said, the bulk of the research indicates that Vince Foster committed suicide, while all of the research shows that we were wrong in our reasons for going to Iraq, and that those reasons were pushed hardest by GW Bush.

Possibilities are one thing, and probabilities are quite another. The probability that Vince Foster was murdered is VERY high... based on the real evidence. Draw your own conclusions who was responsible, taking in considering who had the most to gain.

Whether you think we were wrong or not in going to Iraq depends on who does the research and whether you think the liberals should have been wrongly granted the last two elections. The majority of us thank God the adults are in charge now, instead of the loonies. Now that we have been attacked, it's only the left that considers it a mistake to fight the terrorists on their turf instead of ours.

If you want to attack the present administration why not choose a place they are vulnerable, like, for instance illegal immigration?

 

[Melensdad]

Possibilities are one thing, and probabilities are quite another. The probability that Vince Foster was murdered is VERY high... based on the real evidence. Draw your own conclusions who was responsible, taking in considering who had the most to gain.

I tend to view the 'probabilty' issue differently. Most people consider me to be far right wing, often to the right of Attila the Hun, but all I see in the Vince Foster 'suicide' is a conspiracy theory that really doesn't hold much in terms of reality.

Whether you think we were wrong or not in going to Iraq depends on who does the research and whether you think the liberals should have been wrongly granted the last two elections. The majority of us thank God the adults are in charge now, instead of the loonies. Now that we have been attacked, it's only the left that considers it a mistake to fight the terrorists on their turf instead of ours.

Again, I tend to have a different opinion. I totally absolutely supported the attack on Afghanistan. I still believe the invasion of Iraq, while legal, was misguided and wrong. I do agree with your point that I am thankful the 'adults are in charge' but you keep weaving points together as absolutes, and that is not valid.

 

[BoneheadNW]

Most people consider me to be far right wing, often to the right of Attila the Hun

Bob, please, don't be so hard on yourself. I thought that you are right there with Atilla the Hun!
By the way, as you may have noticed, your conservative standing here (relative to others) has been moved slightly to the left of Atilla, say, to Jesse Jackson.

Bonehead

 

[Chief]

Bob, please, don't be so hard on yourself. I thought that you are right there with Atilla the Hun!
By the way, as you may have noticed, your conservative standing here (relative to others) has been moved slightly to the left of Atilla, say, to Jesse Jackson.

Bonehead

Standing with respect to the political spectrum is a matter of how exactly you view it. In how I see viewing this objectively. I would think there would be little to no argument that the Constitution and its ORIGINAL 10 amendments would be viewed as the ultimate middle ground or "moderate" as it is the very foundation of our political system. Using terminology from another thread; Donkeys would be to the extreme left and elephants would be to the moderate left. The US Constitution Party would be about center of mass to slightly to the right, with the American Nazi Party and the skin heads being to the extreme right. I don't even consider them on the political spectrum; they are bunch of idiots in my opinion.

 

[Melensdad]

Chief, I'll agree with your analysis on a technical level, but in practical use, those of us who are constitutionalists or libertarians are considered the far right fringe.

 

[Chief]

Chief, I'll agree with your analysis on a technical level, but in practical use, those of us who are constitutionalists or libertarians are considered the far right fringe.

Bob, I agree. I was speaking from a purely idiological perspective. In reality and practice you are indeed correct. The sad part of this is that the "middle" continually is creeping to the left. As the elephants continue to try and compete with the donkeys; with the exception of the US Constitution Party, there is no conservative party left.

 

[Dargo]

Okay, since I'm apparently no longer on Don's short list I'll go ahead and say it; I happen to like G. Gordon Liddy. His legal name is actually George Gordon Liddy Battle; named after one of his father's best friends. I've read a considerable amount of what has been written about Mr. Liddy and about everything published by Mr. Liddy. He and both of his sons served in the U.S. military. I doubt anyone would even try to debate whether Liddy is a highly educated man. He seems to be able to legitimately say "been there, done that" to more scenarios than most can imagine. He served jail time because he stuck to his original pledge and job description; refusing to divulge in court what he was sworn to not discuss.

Liddy was foiled by a piece of tape on a door latch that was found by an alert security guard. Liddy was guilty of breaking the law, but was doing so under a direct order from his supervisor, who lied on the stand as well as testifying against others in order to avoid jail time himself. Liddy was not given the Martha Stewart type of jail sentence. He was not only in the GP, but also spent some quality time by himself while in prison.

During his time in jail, his wife, a school teacher, worked very hard to keep their 5 children in the same schools they had been attending so they could continue to have a good education. Liddy has since thanked in public his neighbors and their community who helped make this happen. All of his kids have grown up to be productive members of society. I find Liddy's radio show to be very entertaining and even educational. It is obvious that many of the things he says on the air are for entertainment purposes. I love it when he picks apart the poor grammar used by professional reporters. For the average person to make grammatical errors is nothing to make an issue of, but when a "trained professional" cannot effectively communicate (what they are paid to do), it shows that some people should take their profession a bit more seriously.

Somebody else can take the others who have been listed previously. I simply picked Liddy because I believe him to be not only entertaining, well educated, articulate, but one of the most patriotic people I can name.

 

[OkeeDon]

you keep weaving points together as absolutes, and that is not valid.

Thank you. Gwill, when you make remarks like "loonies" and "adults", you have totally lost any respect I may have for people of differing opinions. You will not catch me making statements like that (unless I'm mocking the person making the remarks, which I may tend to do). You obviously don't agree with me, but I assure you that I'm not a loony, and I resent your characterization. When you grow up, let me know and I'll start to treat you with respect.

 

[OkeeDon]

Dargo, I wouldn't want you to suffer from separation anxiety, so I hasten to assure you that you are still on the short (and growing shorter) list. I can't comment on Liddy; other than the obvious, I know almost nothing about him.
​

 

[Gwill]

Dargo, I wouldn't want you to suffer from separation anxiety, so I hasten to assure you that you are still on the short (and growing shorter) list. I can't comment on Liddy; other than the obvious, I know almost nothing about him.[/QUOTE



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If I may respond... Liddy has a LOT more to contribute to the well being of our country, both because of his honesty and his deep moral convictions than any of your probable heroes. It's unfortunate you choose to get your knowledge of current events from unreliable sources and then turn a blind eye toward sources you could actually learn something from. Hint: None of your liberal leaders have a clue what's best for our country. Howard Dean wouldn't make a good pimple of Liddy's ass!

It doesn't really trouble me that someone like you who has such a poor understanding of what actually makes the world turn has rejected common sense... but it does trouble me that you are still able to cast a vote.

 

[TOMLESCOEQUIP]

A chance to change your political beliefs:
Question:
How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans and Southern Republicans?

The answer can be found by posing the following question;
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

What do you do?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Democrat's Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!

Does the man look poor or oppressed?

Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?

Could we run away?

What does my wife think?

What about the kids?

Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?

What does the law say about this situation!?

Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?

Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?

Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?

Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?

If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?

Should I call 9-1-1?

Why is this street so deserted?

We need to raise taxes and have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.

This is all so confusing!!! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Republican's Answer:
BANG!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Southern Republican's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click.....(sounds of reloading).

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click

Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"

 

[Melensdad]

Tom, I've seen that before and always thought it was somewhat inaccurate.

A "Blue Dog Democrat" would very likely fall between a "Republican" and a "Southern Republican" by this I mean he'd empty his gun, but wouldn't unload the SECOND magazine, and his daughter would likely say, "Daddy, do you want to call the police now, or should we kick him to make sure he is dead before we do that?"

 

[TOMLESCOEQUIP]

Bob........I'd have the same dilemma when the local sheriff would ask me why the intruder who broke into my house had 30 gunshot holes in him ?? Well....... Officer, It was dark & I couldn't find my 2nd clip !! Sometimes it's better to not be dead than "politically correct"

 

[BoneheadNW]

To be completely fair, and not to be nitpicky, doesn't Tom's post belong in the "Jokes" forum? And if it is not a joke, would a post mentioning "a change in political beliefs" and commenting on "what a right wing gun wacko would do if he found out his child was gay" be appropriaate here?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for jokes and insults (see 99% of my posts), but this didn't seem to fit with this thread.
By the way, what would a northwest liberal who doesn't own a gun do under the scenario above?
Bonehead

 

[TOMLESCOEQUIP]

BH......I didn't mean to offend anyone's beliefs, & I thought long about putting it in the joke forum, but I thought it may be too sensitive to post there. I stay out of the debate & politics forum for this very reason. Some of my best friends & relatives have very different political views than mine, & we're still good friends. I usually keep to myself & don't say anything one way or the other in regard to political issues. Doc.......Move my previous post if you see it doesn't belong here.

 

[Melensdad]

To be completely fair, and not to be nitpicky, doesn't Tom's post belong in the "Jokes" forum? And if it is not a joke, would a post mentioning "a change in political beliefs" and commenting on "what a right wing gun wacko would do if he found out his child was gay" be appropriaate here?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for jokes and insults (see 99% of my posts), but this didn't seem to fit with this thread.
By the way, what would a northwest liberal who doesn't own a gun do under the scenario above?
Bonehead

Bone, point taken but really if you read the first words Tom wrote:

A chance to change your political beliefs:
Question:
How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans and Southern Republicans?

The answer can be found by posing the following question. . .
​

I think he brings a humorous point that shows how people of political parties are often different. And by asking the question again, and then framing in a scenario, he ties it all together. Albeit with an answer that, at best, paints generalities about the people and parties.

As for the concept of a right wing gun wacko with a gay kid as you pose. . . I honestly think I am a right wing gun wacko (I believe in the saying "you can have my gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands . . ), I don't know yet if my child is gay (too young to tell) but I suspect that I'd be OK with that.

But then again, I suspect you are actually attempting to ask the question about the uneducated hate monger types because that group is really the neo-nazi type of folk who everyone should fear and who gives the far right of the Republican/Conservative wing a bad name because some folks who don't know better lump us all together.

I would like to point out to all folks that just because the true conservatives want to return to the Constitution as a basis for our laws does not mean we are hate mongers, bigots, or whatever. JMHO

 

[BoneheadNW]

BH......I didn't mean to offend anyone's beliefs, & I thought long about putting it in the joke forum, but I thought it may be too sensitive to post there. I stay out of the debate & politics forum for this very reason. Some of my best friends & relatives have very different political views than mine, & we're still good friends. I usually keep to myself & don't say anything one way or the other in regard to political issues. Doc.......Move my previous post if you see it doesn't belong here.

Tom-
Thanks for the post. No, you didn't offend me, the self appointed Don Rickles of the forum. I just thought that the post didn't belong as part of the switching political beliefs thread.
With respect to political beliefs, I find that I have become ever so slightly more conservative as I have gotton older (I did live in Berkeley for 5 years) but my parents have become more liberal. Not to open up a whole new discussion, but as an example of my slight shift, after having kids I have become a bit more critical of the manner in which some people view abortion as an easy way out of a pregnancy. My views would still be considered "pro-choice" by many people, but I believe that many people do not put enough thought into their decisions as they should.
Bonehead

 

[OregonAlex]

just catching up on this thread that I started a while ago....wow.. it is interesting to see where everyone stands politically.

The joke that Tom wrote was funny. How about this one in response?

What does it mean to be a right wing conservative?

Your are always looking out for number one.. but in doing so, you sometimes step in number two.

Deep isn't it?

 

[Melensdad]

What does it mean to be a right wing conservative?

Your are always looking out for number one.. but in doing so, you sometimes step in number two.

Deep isn't it?

Doesn't seem to explain why I spend so much time working for charitable causes. Seems to be pretty innacurate in my eyes. The true (not the uninformed knee-jerk know it all type) conservatives seem to be well centered people who typically persue 'win-win' dealings, have a long term focus toward family, charity and philantropy.

Do I step in #2 sometimes? Sure, I have dogs.

 

[BoneheadNW]

The true (not the uninformed knee-jerk know it all type) conservatives seem to be well centered people who typically persue 'win-win' dealings, have a long term focus toward family, charity and philantropy.

Don't tell me- trickle down theory, right?
Speaking of "well centered", aren't you the one that described himself as "to the right of Atilla the Hun"?
Bonehead

 

[OregonAlex]

I spend so much time working for charitable causes.

Bob,

just curious.. what do you feel is a charitable cause which you WORK for. That is "give your time to".. vs give a donotion to give yourself a write off?

 

[OregonAlex]

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges.

I was thinking about this joke and the "setup" has a major flaw. Hey if OkeeDon can pick apart the "Germany was behind 12/7" joke.. then this is fair game too.

I thought the whole idea of Terrorism is to create fear onto as many people as possible. Why would a Terrorism be charging a person with with a knife on a deserted street in the first place? It seems more realistic that the Terrorist would be trying to find a very heavy populated public area and walk in there with a bomb (not a knife) strapped to his body only to set it off without warning. If the gun of a conservative went off while being blown to pieces by the explosion, would anyone hear it? What sound would it make?

 

[TOMLESCOEQUIP]

I was thinking about this joke and the "setup" has a major flaw. Hey if OkeeDon can pick apart the "Germany was behind 12/7" joke.. then this is fair game too.

I thought the whole idea of Terrorism is to create fear onto as many people as possible. Why would a Terrorism be charging a person with with a knife on a deserted street in the first place? It seems more realistic that the Terrorist would be trying to find a very heavy populated public area and walk in there with a bomb (not a knife) strapped to his body only to set it off without warning. If the gun of a conservative went off while being blown to pieces by the explosion, would anyone hear it? What sound would it make?

Perhaps he just placed a anti personell schrapnel bomb in a crowded town square where hundreds of christian family's were singing carols & celebrating the joy & peace of the season and he was trying to make a clean getaway...........while the family in question was late to the festivities and coming thru a somewhat deserted alley.........

 

[BoneheadNW]

Perhaps he just placed a anti personell schrapnel bomb in a crowded town square where hundreds of christian family's were singing carols & celebrating the joy & peace of the season and he was trying to make a clean getaway...........while the family in question was late to the festivities and coming thru a somewhat deserted alley.........

Hey-save that for the Continuation thread!
Bonehead

 

[OregonAlex]

Perhaps he just placed a anti personell schrapnel bomb in a crowded town square where hundreds of christian family's were singing carols & celebrating the joy & peace of the season and he was trying to make a clean getaway...........while the family in question was late to the festivities and coming thru a somewhat deserted alley.........

you really like your joke don't you? I got to admit, it was funny. But from a silly point of view.

 

[TOMLESCOEQUIP]

you really like your joke don't you? I got to admit, it was funny. But from a silly point of view.

You're right, the "joke" was flawed from the beginning.........The terrorist would have blown himself up in the crowd & would never be caught "dead" attacking an innocent family on a deserted street since they would have been killed previously too, therefore it makes no difference as to wether they could have defended themselves or not. I feel so much better now setting things straight.