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SHTF scenarios versus the REAL thing we can learn from?
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joec
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Here you go some photo's of my trailer. The top one I took before we left to go to my son's house 4 blocks north of us. The second is taken after we rolled the car back onto it wheels, and the last is the other side of the trailer. The top and middle are on the same side by the way.
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Cowboy
Wait for it.
Dont throw everyone in the same boat Rob
. I,m probablly more prepared for more then most because we are simple people & what most of you couldn,t live without we dont have or want . We loose power all the time as well as phone service due to the damage from years ago from Straight line winds , ice storms & tornados in surounding areas as well as some damage ( Inland huricanes for you that dont know ) here , Theres some of Us that matter & some that dont when it comes to restoring power & or phone lines .
Theres several high dollar house & more additions being put in all the time . Our taxes continually to go up to pay for the benifits They demand when they decide to move out of the city & think everything is theirs & for their enjoyment with no real benifit to us .
We just have Our prioritys in order , We aint gonna freeze , get to hot , or go without food or water nor do we expect any help from anyone else . Roofs or shingles blow off I fix them . We have insurance & have never made a claim . I,ll save that if Everything we own is levelled & have to start over . But We,ll be just fine & when it comes time we,ll rebuild .
If any one needed something we have We,ll share , try to impose or take it from Us & be prepared for a really bad day .
I'll have to raise the BS flag here.
When have "we" talked about exchanging our currency for gold or guns?
I will suggest that there are some forums where that type of SHTF scenario is common, this is not one of those, these folks here are not those people, at least not that I can see.
Seems to me that you say you "call us" on it, but in reality you are simply stereotyping us into a very small fringe group of folks who do not represent the typical 'prepper' type people.
RobsanX
Gods gift to common sense
Re: REAL things we can learn from
This is what my post was referring to, and no I don't think everyone is like that, but I was accused of mocking everyone. To each his own I guess.
This is what my post was referring to, and no I don't think everyone is like that, but I was accused of mocking everyone. To each his own I guess.
Well I tend to agree with Pat.
Let's breakdown what he wrote.
Nobody will help you because they will not be able to even help themselves unless they have planned ahead.
He says gold, silver, bread and lead will be useful. Seems logical too. Gold and Silver if we have inflation or deflation because both are generally more stable than currency. That could come in very handy if your personal SHTF is that you lose your job. Now the reference to "bread" to that I would presume he means more than bread but rather food. Again, many of us have already faced that situation and found it useful. Lead, well I presume that to be bullets. Some of us on this forum have had situation to be protected by a gun. Again, useful.
Oh and he says to exercise. How can being healthy be a bad thing?
And carry what we need. Well there have been several threads on these forums about people the usefulness of emergency medical kits, 72-hour survival kits kept in cars, etc. I've used my kits a couple times, most notably when one of my daughter's teammates was run through the chest by a saber while at a fencing tournament. What if I didn't have that kit with me? I was able to respond in seconds while we all waited around for an ambulance to drive to the school gym where the tournament was taking place. Others here have been stranded in cars, etc. So carry what you need, heck that just makes sense.
Let's breakdown what he wrote.
Nobody will help you because they will not be able to even help themselves unless they have planned ahead.
He says gold, silver, bread and lead will be useful. Seems logical too. Gold and Silver if we have inflation or deflation because both are generally more stable than currency. That could come in very handy if your personal SHTF is that you lose your job. Now the reference to "bread" to that I would presume he means more than bread but rather food. Again, many of us have already faced that situation and found it useful. Lead, well I presume that to be bullets. Some of us on this forum have had situation to be protected by a gun. Again, useful.
Oh and he says to exercise. How can being healthy be a bad thing?
And carry what we need. Well there have been several threads on these forums about people the usefulness of emergency medical kits, 72-hour survival kits kept in cars, etc. I've used my kits a couple times, most notably when one of my daughter's teammates was run through the chest by a saber while at a fencing tournament. What if I didn't have that kit with me? I was able to respond in seconds while we all waited around for an ambulance to drive to the school gym where the tournament was taking place. Others here have been stranded in cars, etc. So carry what you need, heck that just makes sense.
SShepherd
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joec
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Yes my wife's sense of humor showing through the misery. We where simply glad to have survived it. The things we had all meant little after that storm. We have traveled pretty light since then too.
That was a pretty nice trailer park also. Mostly retired military drawn their do to Homestead AFB. VFW on the other side of the park on Chrome Avenue. My trailer was the second from the end off of US 1.
That was a pretty nice trailer park also. Mostly retired military drawn their do to Homestead AFB. VFW on the other side of the park on Chrome Avenue. My trailer was the second from the end off of US 1.
SShepherd
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thats exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about-- the slugs/dregs of society use an excuse like this to do what they want. "You have it, I want it" People hear your generator running after 3 weeks..they're going to start coming after yours. ( I'm looking for a super quiet one atleast 13kw)
I know the networks didn't report ANYTHING close to what went on as far as crime during both hurricanes.
We were actually the last flight out of Miami, coming home from our honeymoon before that hurricane hit. I know a guy thats a marshal that guarded a bank (trailer) down there after it hit.
After katrina, I have a number of friends that work for HLS, The stories of dead elderly in wheelchairs pushed outside of homes-- only to be used as target practice by gangs was not a lie.
A friend of ours is a judge down there, lives in a nice neighborhood. 3 days after they were hit, a guy stormed through her front door and this is what he said, " You have a generator, because I can hear it. That means you have food in your freezer-- I want it all and your truck" She took 5 steps back, pulled her handgun and killed him on the spot.
joec
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Pretty factual, our generator was a large Honda but getting gas for it became a problem.. No electric no gas pumps so we took the gas out of the cars until we where able to get out by vehicle. Once there 20 miles either north or south was like nothing happened. I was working at the time for the School System so had a job which many there didn't have as the local business all where gone as well. My wife was working at Ocean Reef at that time as well so she had a job as well. Even though they are located on the top north end of Key Largo no more than some damaged shrubs in the yards. My wife and eventually moved to Hollywood Florida for about a year before we moved back to Homestead. Stayed a couple of years then went into the storage business managing for others until we bought in the one here in Kentucky 7 years ago next month. Homestead completely changed from mostly retired military to mostly Haitian, Mexican and south Americans once the retirees move to other locations mostly the Tampa and Jacksonville areas of Florida, both of which have large VA facilities.
SShepherd
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another delusional person I see.........
Where has Pelosi been mentioned ? Paranoia? How is being prepared being paranoid? Honestly, not being prepared to take care of your family during bad times is being a lazyass, suck on society. There are plenty of people who can't prepare for a sudden disaster-- elderly, handicapped. The people that have the resources and time ( like people who have jobs and leisure time plus extra money) have no excuse NOT to have atleast 72hrs of emergency supplies at home-- That info comes straight from your buddy FEMA and DHS
http://www.dhs.gov/files/prepresprecovery.shtm
http://www.ready.gov/
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/foodstorage/
Honestly, put down the Xbox
I have an idea, maybe we could pass a law that requires that everyone be prepared? Oh, and if people are not prepared then we could fine them or send them to jail. But instead of letting them just be responsible adults we will treat them like children and set up all sorts of authorized preparedness programs that are "qualified" according to gubmint standards. Sure the costs will go up, but gollydarnit its going to cover the unprepared children.
Is that not what the liberals did with ObamaCare?
SShepherd
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joec
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Ah they do sell it CG, homeowners, car insurance, flood insurance the problem with it is the insurance companies take to big a hit they fold up and go away. 
But then in Andrew FEMA did too as no one I know got any low interests loans as promised through them even business. My best advise is to be prepared for the worse case at all times. Luckily I learned that years before Andrew so we where as prepared as one could be.
But then in Andrew FEMA did too as no one I know got any low interests loans as promised through them even business. My best advise is to be prepared for the worse case at all times. Luckily I learned that years before Andrew so we where as prepared as one could be.
CityGirl
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Ah they do sell it CG, homeowners, car insurance, flood insurance the problem with it is the insurance companies take to big a hit they fold up and go away.
Of course! Silly me!
RobsanX
Gods gift to common sense
Ah they do sell it CG, homeowners, car insurance, flood insurance the problem with it is the insurance companies take to big a hit they fold up and go away.
But then in Andrew FEMA did too as no one I know got any low interests loans as promised through them even business. My best advise is to be prepared for the worse case at all times. Luckily I learned that years before Andrew so we where as prepared as one could be.
Nope, the Republicans don't want people to have flood insurance either.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2855564/republicans_block_flood_insurance_could.html?cat=9
SShepherd
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".....blocked flood coverage renewals for people living in flood plains"
well..DUH!!!
I always wonderd to myself....why would you live where it flooded every year??? Oh ya, it's fair to let someone live where it floods and pay 1000k/year for insurance when there's a 90%+ chance that the house will be destryoed and cost 100,000k plus.
Here's an idea, if you live where your house is built on the side of a sandy hill on stilts, and every year they're mudslides-OR- if you live where it floods ever other year, your house insurance is equil to the price of your home.
Oh ..Boohoo.. get a damn grip on reality, it's not fair for me to pay higher insurance rates to cover your stupidity, because you want a "good view" or want to live in a flood plane.
Ok, yesss..they're are people who live in a fllod plane that cant move, etc. , what ever. Maybe the state should build a levee system, oh wait, thats already been done
well..DUH!!!
I always wonderd to myself....why would you live where it flooded every year??? Oh ya, it's fair to let someone live where it floods and pay 1000k/year for insurance when there's a 90%+ chance that the house will be destryoed and cost 100,000k plus.
Here's an idea, if you live where your house is built on the side of a sandy hill on stilts, and every year they're mudslides-OR- if you live where it floods ever other year, your house insurance is equil to the price of your home.
Oh ..Boohoo.. get a damn grip on reality, it's not fair for me to pay higher insurance rates to cover your stupidity, because you want a "good view" or want to live in a flood plane.
Ok, yesss..they're are people who live in a fllod plane that cant move, etc. , what ever. Maybe the state should build a levee system, oh wait, thats already been done
joec
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Insurers in the US do not provide flood insurance coverage due to the hazard of flood typically being confined to a few areas. As a result, it is an unacceptable risk due to the inability to spread the risk on a wide enough population to absorb the potential catastrophic nature of the hazard. In response to this, the federal government created the National Flood Insurance Program in 1968.
The National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) found that 33 percent of U.S. heads of household still hold the false belief that flood damage is covered by a standard homeowners policy. FEMA states approximately 50% of low flood zone risk borrowers think they are ineligible and CAN NOT buy flood insurance. Anyone can buy flood insurance as long as their community participates in the NFIP, even renters.
If you are eligible, you must purchase a separate flood insurance policy through an insurance company that participates in the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP). Flood insurance is available for residents of approximately 19,000 communities nationwide.
The National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) found that 33 percent of U.S. heads of household still hold the false belief that flood damage is covered by a standard homeowners policy. FEMA states approximately 50% of low flood zone risk borrowers think they are ineligible and CAN NOT buy flood insurance. Anyone can buy flood insurance as long as their community participates in the NFIP, even renters.
If you are eligible, you must purchase a separate flood insurance policy through an insurance company that participates in the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP). Flood insurance is available for residents of approximately 19,000 communities nationwide.
Actually to correct you, you only have to have flood insurance if your mortgage lender requires it. If they do not then you do not. If your house is paid for then you don't have to have it.
That all said, the point that Glink was making is that it is STUPID to live in a flood plain just like it is stupid to live on a cliff that has a history of mud slides.
The government, if it was smart (I know, I know, that's not gonna happen) would simply move the people out of the flood plane when they make an insurance claim. Pretty quickly there would be NO NEED for flood insurance.
joec
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I understood what was being said Melensdad. This was in regards to free flood insurance like health care. I basically pointing out that Flood insurance is actually controlled by the government under FEMA. And you can't buy flood insurance in many places in this country at all due to high risk.
SShepherd
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Frank, your post struck me when I saw this story about a snowstorm SHTF scenario. Clearly the author is taking the whole event with a grain of salt, but imagine how much better their experience would have been with a simple 6000 watt generator available for a few hundred dollars. The author is lucky to have city water, many of us in the rural areas don't have that luxury and lose water during storms too.