Samsung Claims EV Battery Breakthru, 600 mile range, 9 minute charge time

Geez. Read the OP. That is not the claim.
You are, of course, referring to current technologies.
This is about a new technology
Are you an expert on new Battery technologies or just some guy in the peanut gallery.
Is every claim on the internet real?

Is there a patent number on this new technology?

What companies did Samsung give their new technology to for testing?

Why didn't Samsung do the testing internally?
 
Purportedly, Sodium-Ion charges is seconds, not minutes.
Check this out.
Why are we not using sodium-ion batteries?


One of the major disadvantages of sodium-ion batteries is their relatively low energy density – the amount of energy stored relative to the battery's volume. Lower energy density means bulkier and heavier batteries. So with the heavy battery size and weight and low energy density the faster charging time becomes completely moot

The purported element to use is not Sodium 11 but Moscovium 115 or preferably a more stable isotope
 
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Why are we not using sodium-ion batteries?


One of the major disadvantages of sodium-ion batteries is their relatively low energy density – the amount of energy stored relative to the battery's volume. Lower energy density means bulkier and heavier batteries. So with the heavy battery size and weight and low energy density the faster charging time becomes completely moot

The purported element to use is not Sodium 11 but Moscovium 115 or preferably a more stable isotope
It is about costs and public acceptability. We don't like Lithium/Cobalt because of the ecological damage from mining rare earth products with children and slave labor. Sodium is cheap and plentiful. Sodium Ion batteries will make possible the $25K commuter car. And, may likely save Ford and GM's EV products from economic disaster.

I have no idea what "Moscovium" is. And neither does spell check.
 
It is about costs and public acceptability. We don't like Lithium/Cobalt because of the ecological damage from mining rare earth products with children and slave labor. Sodium is cheap and plentiful. Sodium Ion batteries will make possible the $25K commuter car. And, may likely save Ford and GM's EV products from economic disaster.

I have no idea what "Moscovium" is. And neither does spell check.
There is no practical Sodium battery in the World as they are too big and heavy and have less range. Do you really want a one pound Sodium cell phone battery or a one to two ton car battery? Remind me when it happens. Besides EV's are the past not the future
 
There is no practical Sodium battery in the World as they are too big and heavy and have less range. Do you really want a one pound Sodium cell phone battery or a one to two ton car battery? Remind me when it happens. Besides EV's are the past not the future
I have been mistaken here. The new technology is sulfur based, not sodium.
Tesla's new $25K models 3 will use it.

So in my past postings of this thread, where I said Sodium, insert sulfur.

My apologies.
Elon is producing new models with the Sodium battery which employs another abundant material,,,; aluminum

For the record, EV's are not the past. They are the present. They have been in practical use for over 120 years.

Get over yourself
 
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I have been mistaken here. The new technology is sulfur based, not sodium.
Tesla's new $25K models 3 will use it.

So in my past postings of this thread, where I said Sodium, insert sulfur.

My apologies.
Elon is producing new models with the Sodium battery which employs another abundant material,,,; aluminum

For the record, EV's are not the past. They are the present. They have been in practical use for over 120 years.

Get over yourself
The first electric cars appeared long before the earliest gas autos, and the history of electric cars is littered with innovative takes on four-wheeled transit. Electric cars have been around a lot longer than today's Tesla or even the General Motors EV1 of the late 1990s.

We start in the 1830s, with Scotland’s Robert Anderson, whose motorized carriage was built sometime between 1832 and ’39. Batteries (galvanic cells) were not yet rechargeable, so it was more parlor trick (“Look! No horse nor ox, yet it moves!”) than a transportation device. Another Scot, Robert Davidson of Aberdeen, built a prototype electric locomotive in 1837. A bigger, better version, demonstrated in 1841, could go 1.5 miles at 4 mph towing six tons. Then it needed new batteries. This impressive performance so alarmed railway workers (who saw it as a threat to their jobs tending steam engines) that they destroyed Davidson’s devil machine, which he’d named Galvani.

Batteries that could be recharged came along in 1859, making the electric-car idea more viable. Around 1884, inventor Thomas Parker helped deploy electric-powered trams and built prototype electric cars in England. By 1890, a Scotland-born chemist living in Des Moines, Iowa, William Morrison, applied for a patent on the electric carriage he’d built perhaps as early as 1887. It appeared in a city parade in 1888, according to the Des Moines Register. With front-wheel drive, 4 horsepower, and a reported top speed of 20 mph, it had 24 battery cells that needed recharging every 50 miles. Morrison’s self-propelled carriage was a sensation at the 1893 Chicago World’s Fair, also known as the famed World’s Columbian Exhibition. Morrison himself was more interested in the batteries than in mobility, but he’d sparked the imagination of other inventors.

So as said EV's are the past, but I get a kick out of stranded Teslas that do not charge in the cold
 
I have been mistaken here. The new technology is sulfur based, not sodium.
Tesla's new $25K models 3 will use it.

So in my past postings of this thread, where I said Sodium, insert sulfur.

My apologies.
Elon is producing new models with the Sodium battery which employs another abundant material,,,; aluminum

For the record, EV's are not the past. They are the present. They have been in practical use for over 120 years.

Get over yourself
Tesla is not moving toward sulfur batteries; they are moving toward Lithium/Sulfur batteries that will be far more dangerous when they burn for two weeks as is normal. Sulfur mining is just as bad for the environment as Lithium or rare Earth mining. So, Tesla is killing the Earth not reducing pollution in any way
 
Tesla is not moving toward sulfur batteries; they are moving toward Lithium/Sulfur batteries that will be far more dangerous when they burn for two weeks as is normal. Sulfur mining is just as bad for the environment as Lithium or rare Earth mining. So, Tesla is killing the Earth not reducing pollution in any way
Support your argument with a Link please.


To explain how little you know about this, Sulfur is the by-product of many processes and need not be mined. An abundant element, there is plenty of it being offered cheap.

Since I ask you for a link to support your claims, here is mine;
 
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Support your argument with a Link please.


To explain how little you know about this, Sulfur is the by-product of many processes and need not be mined. An abundant element, there is plenty of it being offered cheap.

Since I ask you for a link to support your claims, here is mine;
One such development is Tesla’s shift towards lithium-sulfur batteries, which could revolutionize the electric vehicle industry. In this article, we will explore the current state of lithium-ion batteries, the potential advantages of lithium-sulfur technology, and the impact on battery prices and weight.

Here you go

https://firstgreen.co/the-future-of-lithium-ion-batteries-teslas-shift-to-lithium-sulfur/#:~:text=One%20such%20development%20is%20Tesla's,on%20battery%20prices%20and%20weight.
 
The first electric cars appeared long before the earliest gas autos, and the history of electric cars is littered with innovative takes on four-wheeled transit. Electric cars have been around a lot longer than today's Tesla or even the General Motors EV1 of the late 1990s.

We start in the 1830s, with Scotland’s Robert Anderson, whose motorized carriage was built sometime between 1832 and ’39. Batteries (galvanic cells) were not yet rechargeable, so it was more parlor trick (“Look! No horse nor ox, yet it moves!”) than a transportation device. Another Scot, Robert Davidson of Aberdeen, built a prototype electric locomotive in 1837. A bigger, better version, demonstrated in 1841, could go 1.5 miles at 4 mph towing six tons. Then it needed new batteries. This impressive performance so alarmed railway workers (who saw it as a threat to their jobs tending steam engines) that they destroyed Davidson’s devil machine, which he’d named Galvani.

Batteries that could be recharged came along in 1859, making the electric-car idea more viable. Around 1884, inventor Thomas Parker helped deploy electric-powered trams and built prototype electric cars in England. By 1890, a Scotland-born chemist living in Des Moines, Iowa, William Morrison, applied for a patent on the electric carriage he’d built perhaps as early as 1887. It appeared in a city parade in 1888, according to the Des Moines Register. With front-wheel drive, 4 horsepower, and a reported top speed of 20 mph, it had 24 battery cells that needed recharging every 50 miles. Morrison’s self-propelled carriage was a sensation at the 1893 Chicago World’s Fair, also known as the famed World’s Columbian Exhibition. Morrison himself was more interested in the batteries than in mobility, but he’d sparked the imagination of other inventors.

So as said EV's are the past, but I get a kick out of stranded Teslas that do not charge in the cold
You keep talking about cars. EV's include fork lifts and golf carts to mass transit. The technology has never ceased to be developed and improved.

I have owned or managed manufacturing companies most of my working life. Alway preferred EV forklifts and freight shuttles. Clean, quiet, dependable and low maintenance. Despite the governments intervention in the process, EV cars are in the precent and will continue in the future as MFG's adapt new technologies to the needs of the market.


BTW;
Cold effects ICE engines a well. Back in my Chicago, days we had -20F one morning. Nobody on my block could start their cars except my brand-new 1969 Chrysler. I jump started at least 14 cars that morning. With a lead acid battery.

You sir are obviously anti EV to the point of a closed mind. We are done here.
 
You keep talking about cars. EV's include fork lifts and golf carts to mass transit. The technology has never ceased to be developed and improved.

I have owned or managed manufacturing companies most of my working life. Alway preferred EV forklifts and freight shuttles. Clean, quiet, dependable and low maintenance. Despite the governments intervention in the process, EV cars are in the precent and will continue in the future as MFG's adapt new technologies to the needs of the market.


BTW;
Cold effects ICE engines a well. Back in my Chicago, days we had -20F one morning. Nobody on my block could start their cars except my brand-new 1969 Chrysler. I jump started at least 14 cars that morning. With a lead acid battery.

You sir are obviously anti EV to the point of a closed mind. We are done here.
Why doesn't space X use EV rockets to build a solar charger in low Earth orbit. Back to energy density again as in the real world petroleum rules

Answer that
 
The evolution of the battery technology will continue to evolve.
However they were created, by government or private industry, the sheer numbers of EV's on the road now validate their value. The EV's are here, even if they only fit need in a narrow percentage of the population.

Recent technologies are emerging that will compete with the convenience and costs of fossil fuel. Here is one that certainly threatens the dominance of FF's because of convenience of use. IE Specifically; Range and Recharge time. 600 miles and 15 minutes at the pump, er charging station.

 
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