Samsung Claims EV Battery Breakthru, 600 mile range, 9 minute charge time

[Melensdad]

This would be game changing for the EV market.

It resolves 2 problems with range anxiety in drivers. First that most EVs have about 250 miles of highway range and then 2nd, the require roughly a 60 to 90 minute stopover for a recharge to continue on. Even if the recharge time takes less than an hour, you have pull off the highway, every 200-225 miles (so you don't get stranded at 250), find the charger (which is getting easier) and potentially wait in line for 30 minutes before you get to use the charger.

Samsung is also claiming a 20 year lifespan on the battery.

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

Samsung’s EV battery breakthrough: 600-mile charge in 9 mins, 20 year lifespan​

Given the current high production costs, the initial adoption of these batteries will be confined to the “super premium” EV segment.​

Aman TripathiUpdated: Aug 01, 2024 06:29 AM EST​

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Samsung recently made a splash in the industry by showcasing its recent advancements in battery technology, especially related to solid-state batteries.​

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At the SNE Battery Day 2024 expo in Seoul, South Korea, the company revealed that its pilot solid-state battery production line is now fully operational.​

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“We built a pilot line last year to mass-produce all-solid-state batteries by 2027,” said Samsung SDI, as reported by The Elec.​

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Moreover, the battery’s initial batches have already been delivered to EV manufacturers for testing.​

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“We supplied samples to customers from the end of last year to the beginning of this year and are receiving positive feedback,” Samsung SDI stated.​

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Notably, these batteries could power electric vehicles with a 600-mile range, charge in 9 minutes, and have a lifespan of 20 years.​

Promising features and initial focus​

These solid-state batteries are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most electric vehicles. They hold significant potential to revolutionize the EV industry.​

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“All-solid-state batteries can enhance safety by replacing liquid components with solid ones. When used in the same pack size as existing products, they reduce weight and take up less space,” highlighted the company.​

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However, due to their high production costs, these batteries’ initial application will be limited to the “super premium” EV segment.​

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The “super premium” segment here implies a driving range of around 600 miles per charge. In addition, Samsung will be introducing high-nickel NCS products for the premium segment.​

Advanced energy density​

Samsung’s oxide solid-state battery technology boasts an energy density of 500 Wh/kg, nearly double the 270 Wh/kg density of mainstream EV batteries.​

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This increased density could potentially double the driving range of current electric vehicles.​

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Besides, Samsung’s claim of 9-minute charging likely refers to the standard metric of charging a battery from 10% or 20% to 80% capacity rather than a full charge from 0% to 100%.​

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This practice is common in the industry as charging speeds typically slow down significantly beyond the 80% mark to protect battery health and longevity.​

​

In addition to its work on solid-state batteries, Samsung is developing more affordable lithium iron phosphate (LFP) and cobalt-free batteries, as well as a dry electrode production method to reduce costs.​

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“We will not only match the price in the popular and entry-level segments, but also mass produce products that can be rapidly charged in 9 minutes by 2026,” emphasized Samsung SDI.​

Focus on longevity​

That said, limited availability of charging infrastructure remains a significant hurdle. While some Chinese battery makers already offer 5C or 6C charging speeds, equivalent to 480kW and even 600kW charging stations, they are quite few in numbers.​

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However, notable is the visible approach of all battery makers to offer longer lifespans of batteries. CATL and other battery makers have already announced batteries with 20-year lifespans, often referred to as “million-mile” batteries. Samsung’s vision to “extend the battery life to 20 years” aligns with the broader market trend.. . . ​

 

[300 H and H]

If this pans out a lot of money to be made with contract production with, I hope Tesla.

 

[ZZTop]

This would be game changing for the EV market.

It resolves 2 problems with range anxiety in drivers. First that most EVs have about 250 miles of highway range and then 2nd, the require roughly a 60 to 90 minute stopover for a recharge to continue on. Even if the recharge time takes less than an hour, you have pull off the highway, every 200-225 miles (so you don't get stranded at 250), find the charger (which is getting easier) and potentially wait in line for 30 minutes before you get to use the charger.

Samsung is also claiming a 20 year lifespan on the battery.

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

Samsung’s EV battery breakthrough: 600-mile charge in 9 mins, 20 year lifespan​

Given the current high production costs, the initial adoption of these batteries will be confined to the “super premium” EV segment.​

Aman TripathiUpdated: Aug 01, 2024 06:29 AM EST​

​

Samsung recently made a splash in the industry by showcasing its recent advancements in battery technology, especially related to solid-state batteries.​

​

At the SNE Battery Day 2024 expo in Seoul, South Korea, the company revealed that its pilot solid-state battery production line is now fully operational.​

​

“We built a pilot line last year to mass-produce all-solid-state batteries by 2027,” said Samsung SDI, as reported by The Elec.​

​

Moreover, the battery’s initial batches have already been delivered to EV manufacturers for testing.​

​

“We supplied samples to customers from the end of last year to the beginning of this year and are receiving positive feedback,” Samsung SDI stated.​

​

Notably, these batteries could power electric vehicles with a 600-mile range, charge in 9 minutes, and have a lifespan of 20 years.​

Promising features and initial focus​

These solid-state batteries are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most electric vehicles. They hold significant potential to revolutionize the EV industry.​

​

“All-solid-state batteries can enhance safety by replacing liquid components with solid ones. When used in the same pack size as existing products, they reduce weight and take up less space,” highlighted the company.​

​

However, due to their high production costs, these batteries’ initial application will be limited to the “super premium” EV segment.​

​

The “super premium” segment here implies a driving range of around 600 miles per charge. In addition, Samsung will be introducing high-nickel NCS products for the premium segment.​

Advanced energy density​

Samsung’s oxide solid-state battery technology boasts an energy density of 500 Wh/kg, nearly double the 270 Wh/kg density of mainstream EV batteries.​

​

This increased density could potentially double the driving range of current electric vehicles.​

​

Besides, Samsung’s claim of 9-minute charging likely refers to the standard metric of charging a battery from 10% or 20% to 80% capacity rather than a full charge from 0% to 100%.​

​

This practice is common in the industry as charging speeds typically slow down significantly beyond the 80% mark to protect battery health and longevity.​

​

In addition to its work on solid-state batteries, Samsung is developing more affordable lithium iron phosphate (LFP) and cobalt-free batteries, as well as a dry electrode production method to reduce costs.​

​

“We will not only match the price in the popular and entry-level segments, but also mass produce products that can be rapidly charged in 9 minutes by 2026,” emphasized Samsung SDI.​

Focus on longevity​

That said, limited availability of charging infrastructure remains a significant hurdle. While some Chinese battery makers already offer 5C or 6C charging speeds, equivalent to 480kW and even 600kW charging stations, they are quite few in numbers.​

​

However, notable is the visible approach of all battery makers to offer longer lifespans of batteries. CATL and other battery makers have already announced batteries with 20-year lifespans, often referred to as “million-mile” batteries. Samsung’s vision to “extend the battery life to 20 years” aligns with the broader market trend.. . . ​

The article is nonsense if the batteries have not been tested yet, furthermore from a physics perspective you would need a high tension line doing the charging to move the required energy in the time frame specified

 

[Melensdad]

The article is nonsense if the batteries have not been tested yet, furthermore from a physics perspective you would need a high tension line doing the charging to move the required energy in the time frame specified

Says there are batteries that have already been sent out to several auto manufacturers for testing!

 

[waybomb]

9 minute charge? How many kw/minute would that take? That's gonna be some big wire! Or maybe 4,160 vac feed? 700 hp motor only need something like 8 or 10 gage at 4160.

 

[ZZTop]

Says there are batteries that have already been sent out to several auto manufacturers for testing!

So they have not yet been tested. Also the factory is not yet completed, so the article does not make sense

 

[Melensdad]

So they have not yet been tested. Also the factory is not yet completed, so the article does not make sense

“We supplied samples to customers from the end of last year to the beginning of this year and are receiving positive feedback,” Samsung SDI stated.

 

[ZZTop]

“We supplied samples to customers from the end of last year to the beginning of this year and are receiving positive feedback,” Samsung SDI stated.

Electric cars are the past not the future.

PS. Sell the house and buy Samsung if you are sure

 

[ZZTop]

“We supplied samples to customers from the end of last year to the beginning of this year and are receiving positive feedback,” Samsung SDI stated.

Did it ever occur to you that if Samsung invented a new holy grail battery that the last thing that they would do is to give it away to other companies for testing?

 

[Kevlar]

I too am sceptical

 

[Melensdad]

Electric cars are the past not the future.

PS. Sell the house and buy Samsung if you are sure

Clearly you don't know me well

I'm NOT an advocate for EVs

I looked very hard at them. I chose not to buy one. I do think an EV would make a fine 2nd vehicle but certainly not, for my family, a primary vehicle. That said, even as a 2nd vehicle, not sure I'd buy one. My wife's vehicle is our 2nd vehicle and I just bought her a gas/hybrid about 10 months ago.

I'm also very critical of cities pushing EVs because most people in cities, especially central areas, park in multi story garages where charging is not available. The only attraction to an EV is to charge it at home using cheap home electricity, and that is not possible for many.

But, as the original post states, this could be game changing technology. And I stand by that statement. Solid State Batteries have been in the works for years but have not been practical. Perhaps not until now? And several companies are working on them and they show huge promise. Maybe Samsung finally cracked through the barrier.

Commercial testing by various EV manufacturers is actually the standard procedure for new technology, not just battery testing, but all sorts of tech.

 

[ZZTop]

Clearly you don't know me well

I'm NOT an advocate for EVs

I looked very hard at them. I chose not to buy one. I do think an EV would make a fine 2nd vehicle but certainly not, for my family, a primary vehicle. That said, even as a 2nd vehicle, not sure I'd buy one. My wife's vehicle is our 2nd vehicle and I just bought her a gas/hybrid about 10 months ago.

I'm also very critical of cities pushing EVs because most people in cities, especially central areas, park in multi story garages where charging is not available. The only attraction to an EV is to charge it at home using cheap home electricity, and that is not possible for many.

But, as the original post states, this could be game changing technology. And I stand by that statement. Solid State Batteries have been in the works for years but have not been practical. Perhaps not until now? And several companies are working on them and they show huge promise. Maybe Samsung finally cracked through the barrier.

Commercial testing by various EV manufacturers is actually the standard procedure for new technology, not just battery testing, but all sorts of tech.

Why would you look hard at a car that you need home insurance on because if it catches fire in your driveway and your home burns down your home insurance will not cover the damages unless you declared that you were parking a fire hazard EV at your residence and paid the surcharge. Most people have no clue as to how dangerous an EV is just to park at home

As for taking stock info from Samsung on Samsung, well PT Barnum had a saying about a fool and his money

 

[Melensdad]

Why would you look hard at a car...

Again, you don't know me or my situation. Hang around longer. You might figure out the answers to your questions.

 

[ZZTop]

Again, you don't know me or my situation. Hang around longer. You might figure out the answers to your questions.

What happens to EV's after a hurricane that knocks out power for two weeks or more

 

[Melensdad]

What happens to EV's after a hurricane that knocks out power for two weeks or more

First, what does that question have to do with battery technology or the original post?

But also, why would I care, I live 1000 miles away from any coast with hurricanes!?! But I've gone 8+ days without utility power in zero & sub-zero (F) degree weather where I live and managed to heat my home, run my vehicles and power my lights.

 

[ZZTop]

First, what does that question have to do with battery technology or the original post?

But also, why would I care, I live 1000 miles away from any coast with hurricanes!?! But I've gone 8+ days without utility power in zero & sub-zero (F) degree weather where I live and managed to heat my home, run my vehicles and power my lights.

Why would anyone care if their electric vehicle spontaneously combusted, as for Samsung, again why would Samsung give away a holy grail battery for testing? But its real because you found it on the internet.

 

[Melensdad]

...why would Samsung give away a holy grail battery for testing? ...

to lock in contracts for future sales

again, very common practice to do things like this

 

[ZZTop]

to lock in contracts for future sales

again, very common practice to do things like this

Then your only logical move is to liquidate all of your assets and invest the farm in Samsung.

Keep us posted

 

[ZZTop]

to lock in contracts for future sales

again, very common practice to do things like this

Bye the way did the article mention the patent number of the 9 minute battery or the curb weight of the EV?

 

[Doc]

Then your only logical move is to liquidate all of your assets and invest the farm in Samsung.

Keep us posted

Logical??? That would be similar to dumping all your 401k into mega lottery tickets. Duh.
Melensdad never said he believed it would work, he simply let us know what they are up to.
If accurate, maybe EV will be part of all our future. If it doesn't pan out, most will not be surprised.

 

[300 H and H]

What happens to EV's after a hurricane that knocks out power for two weeks or more

The same thing that happens to ICE cars. With out juice you don't pump gas either.

 

[ZZTop]

Logical??? That would be similar to dumping all your 401k into mega lottery tickets. Duh.
Melensdad never said he believed it would work, he simply let us know what they are up to.
If accurate, maybe EV will be part of all our future. If it doesn't pan out, most will not be surprised.

Please explain how a 110 or 220 line charges a full size electric car battery in 9 minutes? Do you believe that physics is different in South Korea?

Still waiting for the patent number

LOL did I tell you that I invented a way to turn tomato skins into element 115 by mixing the skins with Nair?

Fact just because you read it on the internet does not make it true

Unless Trump has it on micro sd

 

[ZZTop]

The same thing that happens to ICE cars. With out juice you don't pump gas either.

Nope because the gas stations all pumped after Sandy, and they made a lot of money as well.

 

[FrancSevin]

What happens to EV's after a hurricane that knocks out power for two weeks or more

Same thing that happens to cars and trucks that cannot get fuel because all the stations also have no power. And it doesn't happen for most residents after most storms.
Texas lost power when their grid went down a few years ago. According to my two brothers living there, fuel was hard to find.

As to charging on 220/110 volt home power supplies, I doubt that is an option. At least for the 9 minute charge.

It would be handy on long trips. Overnight at home there is no need for such urgency.

As for electric cars being old technology, so is the ICE powered car.
BTW, we still use steam and coal to power our Grids, heat and light our homes. And, to charge EV's.

 

[ZZTop]

Same thing that happens to cars and trucks that cannot get fuel because all the stations also have no power.

Again when the gas stations had no power after Sandy they all ran generators and made tons of money scalping gas. Been there and done that and you are quite wrong. Now on the other hand you can charge your EV with a diesel generator and prove that EV is really ICE powered.

LOL

 

[FrancSevin]

Again when the gas stations had no power after Sandy they all ran generators and made tons of money scalping gas. Been there and done that and you are quite wrong. Now on the other hand you can charge your EV with a diesel generator and prove that EV is really ICE powered.

LOL

Not really. It proves the EV is powered by our electrical grid which is 60% fossil fuel powered. So factually, YOU are wrong.

LOL

There is a place for the EV product. It doesn't need a mandate, which is the issue most of us have with EV's.

EV's are actually a very good idea. Banning the ICE powered vehicles is lunacy.

 

[ZZTop]

Not really. It proves the EV is powered by our electrical grid which is 60% fossil fuel powered. So factually, YOU are wrong.

LOL

There is a place for the EV product. It doesn't need a mandate, which is the issue most of us have with EV's.

EV's are actually a very good idea. Banning the ICE powered vehicles is lunacy.

Actually when the grid goes down all EV's are 100% gas or diesel powered. You can't even use wind power because it feeds into the grid

LOL

Tesla big rigs go an entire 100 miles.

 

[FrancSevin]

Actually when the grid goes down all EV's are 100% gas or diesel powered. You can't even use wind power because it feeds into the grid

LOL

Tesla big rigs go an entire 100 miles.

Sorry, but you are speaking single mindedly. That fossil fuels currently provide much of our electricity is a simple fact. How much of it is from diesel? Very little. Almost none. Mostly old power plants on the upper east coast.

You are way behind the times.

Solar and wind comprise less than 15% of our power generation mostly because they are costly and unreliable.

Where the power originally comes from is a rather insignificant issue to the discussion as those technologies have nothing to do with populating our personal auto fleets with EV's. That should be a matter of choice because the application is suited to the needs of the users. City dwellers would benefit. People who need diesel for their work or life styles should not have to suffer because of government mandates.

That, in point of fact, is the actual subject of this thread. Your musings do not do much reflection on the thread subject. It is a matter of application to need. Shorter charging cycles and longer range makes them, EV"S, compatible for commuter and short trip usage, which is about 85% of civilian use. Such capability will make the EV product more attractive.
The actual point of the thread.

BTW, my ranch in the remote MO Ozarks is 100% electric except for two RV units that use gas for cooking and/or hot water because they are limited to that. Both are heated with electric off the grid. Remote, and on 6 miles of rough offroad terrain, an EV is not applicable. So I own two Dodge one-ton diesels. The ranch is 250 miles away from my home and no Tesla would work because of mileage, trailer towing, and tires.

I also have owned Tesla stock. And will do so again when the opportunity is right.

 

[ZZTop]

Sorry, but you are speaking single mindedly. That fossil fuels currently provide much of our electricity is a simple fact. How much of it is from diesel? Very little. Almost none. Mostly old power plants on the upper east coast.

You are way behind the times.

Solar and wind comprise less than 15% of our power generation mostly because they are costly and unreliable.

Where the power originally comes from is a rather insignificant issue to the discussion as those technologies have nothing to do with populating our personal auto fleets with EV's. That should be a matter of choice because the application is suited to the needs of the users. City dwellers would benefit. People who need diesel for their work or life styles should not have to suffer because of government mandates.

That, in point of fact, is the actual subject of this thread. Your musings do not do much reflection on the thread subject. It is a matter of application to need. Shorter charging cycles and longer range makes them, EV"S, compatible for commuter and short trip usage, which is about 85% of civilian use. Such capability will make the EV product more attractive.
The actual point of the thread.

BTW, my ranch in the remote MO Ozarks is 100% electric except for two RV units that use gas for cooking and/or hot water because they are limited to that. Both are heated with electric off the grid. Remote, and on 6 miles of rough offroad terrain, an EV is not applicable. So I own two Dodge one-ton diesels. The ranch is 250 miles away from my home and no Tesla would work because of mileage, trailer towing, and tires.

I also have owned Tesla stock. And will do so again when the opportunity is right.

The fact remains that no EV battery can be charged in 9 minutes from empty to a 600 mile range. Sheesh a phone battery can't be charged in that time. That said if the line doing the charging is a 440,000 volt line it could be done. I bought Apple stock and held so I paid no taxes

 

[FrancSevin]

The fact remains that no EV battery can be charged in 9 minutes from empty to a 600 mile range. Sheesh a phone battery can't be charged in that time. That said if the line doing the charging is a 440,000 volt line it could be done. I bought Apple stock and held so I paid no taxes

Geez. Read the OP. That is not the claim.
You are, of course, referring to current technologies.
This is about a new technology
Are you an expert on new Battery technologies or just some guy in the peanut gallery.