Very important day in Canada.
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Very important day in Canada.
I feel sorry for our Canadian neighbors. The Conservatives are getting beaten soundly it appears. 
It appears that the Liberal Party in Canada will need to have a coalition in their parliament. Unless things change in the late hours, they will have a MINORITY in the parliament. Certainly the Liberal Party will have more MPs than the Conservatives, which will be in second place, but from what I see now, they will NOT hold a clear majority.
Eventually the people will overthrow the government. It happened in the U.S.S.R. It happened in the USA. Eventually it will happen in Europe. Eventually it will happen in England, but when??? It looks to be starting to happen in Ireland. Maybe it will happen Canada in a decade?
NorthernRedneck
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Fack me
I agree. I've kept my mouth shut this entire election as no outside influences were going to sway my vote so i just shut up. but I will say this....
Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Looks like the liberals only got 168 of the needed 172 seats needed for majority. They will be working with French in Quebec to actually pass their agenda.
As Careny is expected to govern like Trudeau on steroids, it will be interesting to watch and see what happens to Canada. The true green believer and a NET ZERO globalist who will also likely will oppose Canada's NATO financial commitment. There will be lots of talk, but it will be interesting to see. I wonder if he will try to drive Canada to join the European Union?
As Careny is expected to govern like Trudeau on steroids, it will be interesting to watch and see what happens to Canada. The true green believer and a NET ZERO globalist who will also likely will oppose Canada's NATO financial commitment. There will be lots of talk, but it will be interesting to see. I wonder if he will try to drive Canada to join the European Union?
NorthernRedneck
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I better go fill up a bunch of gerry cans before fuel prices go back up. Ffs. With Trudeaus carbon tax tacked on to fuel before, I was paying around $180 per tank. Low and behold....election is coming....they drop the carbon tax. Now I'm paying $130 per tank. Consider I fill once a week. Do the math per month just in fuel alone to fund Trudeaus fn ski trips. And you wonder why I can't stand libs? Also ad about $150 per utility per month we were paying. And now double your grocery bill. That's the fn liberal economy. But they can't understand the simple economics.
Alberta may become "the resistance" that saves Canada from Carney?
www.yahoo.com
The quiet threat to Canadian unity isn’t Quebec — it’s Alberta
The province's “elite-driven” independence movement weaponizes deep frustration with the rest of the country.
The quiet threat to Canadian unity isn’t Quebec — it’s Alberta
Sun, April 27, 2025 at 11:44 AM CDT
EDMONTON, Alberta — Mark Carney, the Alberta-raised prime minister hoping to secure a fourth term in power for Canada's Liberal Party, makes for an ironic target of the province's burbling independence movement.
Carney is en route to Edmonton on the campaign’s final day, sensing opportunity in the oil-rich province where the name Trudeau — invoking both Justin and his father, Pierre — has been a dirty word for decades. Albertans often feel forgotten, ignored or dismissed by politicians who live and work to the east.
If Canada elects Carney on Monday, many in the province will feel unsettled. For the past decade, they've felt that Liberals in Ottawa have ignored Alberta's massive contribution to Canada's economic growth and worked against the oil and gas sector that has fueled so much of it.
One of their elder statesmen, Preston Manning, recently sounded the alarm about dire consequences of another Liberal win. Manning, the 82-year-old godfather of a prairie populist movement that took Ottawa by storm 30 years ago, penned a high-profile op-ed in The Globe and Mail with a provocative warning: A Carney victory would fuel a separatist movement in the province frequently at odds with Ottawa.
A vote for Carney's Liberals, Manning wrote, is “a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it.” The column reignited questions in Calgary, Edmonton and the nation's capital thousands of miles to the east about just how deep the sentiment runs.
Jason Kenney, a former Alberta premier who took Trudeau's government to court over a federal carbon tax and pipeline regulation law, rejected Manning's veiled threat.
"Threatening to leave the country because you don't get your desired electoral outcome is counterproductive and unpatriotic. And I don't think it's something that should be thrown around," Kenney told reporters at an April conference of grassroots Conservatives.
"Nor should central Canadian political elites be dismissive of the very legitimate grievances that people in the West and Alberta have about the attacks on our energy industry."
Kenney's successor in the premier's office, Danielle Smith, has laid down nine asks of whichever party wins the election — most focused on unleashing the oil and gas sector.
"I provided a specific list of demands the next prime minister, regardless of who that is, must address within the first six months of their term to avoid an unprecedented national unity crisis," she said in March following a meeting with Carney in Edmonton.
What the polls say
The Angus Reid Institute recently measured sizeable — but hardly overwhelming — support for Alberta's departure from Canada. Twenty-five percent said they'd vote to leave no matter the result of Canada's election.
That data point ticked up to 30 percent in the case of a Liberal victory.
Angus Reid's polling bears out the vibe of western alienation. In 2016, 45 percent of Albertans said they felt respected by the rest of the country. This year, only 24 percent feel the same way.
Jared Wesley says the solid core of separatists in Alberta is likely far smaller.
Wesley, a professor at the University of Alberta and widely cited expert on evolving Prairie identities, says his research suggests only about one in 10 people in the province would actually vote to leave Canada — and most of them don't think Alberta is likely to strike out on its own.
"They're venting frustration. It's a protest vote. It's not really got a lot of meat behind it. So it's not a grassroots movement, especially this most recent push," Wesley says. "It's absolutely an elite movement driven by folks that have an interest in ginning up separatist support."
Their goal, Wesley says, could be simply to gain leverage with Ottawa to extract favorable treatment — particularly in the oil and gas industry.
Sen. Paula Simons, a former longtime journalist in Alberta who now sits with the Independent Senators Group, says she's heard this song before.
"This is not a new phenomenon in this province, and it's a bit like mosquitoes that go dormant in dry summers, then they come out again when it rains," Simons told POLITICO. "This is a prairie cyclical problem, and it happens when people in Alberta are feeling aggrieved."
The alienation isn't made up, Simons said, pointing to the underrepresentation of Westerners in the Senate. The four westernmost provinces combine for 24 senators. Ontario and Quebec are apportioned 24 apiece, and the three Maritime provinces — with far fewer residents than the West — split another 24.
"The amount to which the Canadian paradigm favors the center is not imaginary," Simons said.
Prairie roots
Both Carney and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre grew up in Alberta — the former in Edmonton, the latter in Calgary.
Carney left for university — first Harvard, then Oxford — and never again lived in the province. Still, he launched his Liberal Party leadership bid there earlier this year, part of an effort to showcase his prairie roots to a country just getting to know him.
After Carney called an election for April 28, he stopped in Alberta, where the party hopes to flip a handful of Conservative seats.
Amarjeet Sohi, Edmonton's mayor on leave, hopes to win one of those electoral districts.
Sohi, a former Liberal MP and Cabinet minister who won a seat in 2015, is familiar with the wrath of Alberta voters. They sent him packing after a single term.
He acknowledges some Liberal voices in the nation's capital took on a "sanctimonious tone" during Trudeau's first four years in office. Albertans aired "legitimate concerns" about their place in the pecking order.
"There is a sense of alienation, not because they don't love Canada," Sohi told POLITICO as he knocked doors in a suburban poll. "There's a sense of lack of respect. Sometimes their contributions are not fully understood or appreciated.
"I rarely run into people who think or believe they need to separate," he said, mentioning only a single voter ever advocating for "Alberta 51" to his face — a reference to the province jumping ship for statehood.
Unity watch
Simons, the senator, will be watching the Prairie side of the electoral map closely when results start pouring in on Monday. "The worst-case scenario for Western alienation is a Carney victory with no seats in the West," she said.
For most Canadians, U.S. President Donald Trump's repeated annexation overtures have buoyed their sense of patriotism. But it's not one-size-fits-all across Canada.
Kenney, the former Alberta premier, put it bluntly: "Sadly, in Canada, we can never take national unity for granted."
Kevlar
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Bah, Alberta has been threatening that for my entire existence on earth, they've never had the balls to do more than blow hot air. They are the richest province in Canada and pour all their money into the equalization payments that keep the lights on in the rest of the country. They have the power to cut off those payments and bring the rest of the country to their knees, yet here we are hearing the same crap over and over again.
There's some behind the scenes shenanigans going on with all politicians from all parties, we don't have separate parties, they all crawl out of the same bed every morning.
This was Poilievre's election to lose, and he blew it well. I said all along he wasn't what people thought he was, and I think more people than me noticed that.
There's some behind the scenes shenanigans going on with all politicians from all parties, we don't have separate parties, they all crawl out of the same bed every morning.
This was Poilievre's election to lose, and he blew it well. I said all along he wasn't what people thought he was, and I think more people than me noticed that.
NorthernRedneck
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So a day later, sitting here looking at it, here's my take. The NDP imploded. Many of their supporters jumped ship and either sided with the libs or conservatives. So while the conservatives still lost, they are official opposition to a minority government who no longer has the support of their yesman jagmeet anyone. We'll be back at the polls in a couple years due to a non confidence vote.
Let's all hope Carney doesn't do too much damage to the nation in the mean time
Meanwhile, Alberta just made legislation to separate from Canuckland and retain its own wealth and autonomy.
www.rebelnews.com
Alberta makes separation possible—one day after Liberal win
While the rest of Canada woke up hungover to a Liberal minority under Prime Minister Mark Carney, Alberta soberly took the first legal step toward the exit door.
www.rebelnews.com
Alberta makes separation possible—one day after Liberal win
The most important clause in this bill is the one that makes a referendum on separation not just legal, but logistically possible.
Sheila Gunn Reid | April 29, 2025 | News Analysis | 4 Comments
While the rest of Canada woke up hungover to a Liberal minority under Prime Minister Mark Carney, Alberta soberly took the first legal step toward the exit door.
Tuesday afternoon, Premier Danielle Smith’s government introduced the Election Statutes Amendment Act, 2025—and buried inside it is the most explosive reform in decades: a realistic path to a citizen-led referendum on Alberta separation.
The bill slashes the threshold under the Citizen Initiative Act—a law that technically allowed referendums on policy and constitutional matters, but until now, came with a signature requirement so high it was dead on arrival.
Before? You needed signatures from 20% of all eligible voters in Alberta—more than 600,000 people in 90 days. Now? The bar has been lowered to 10% of the number of voters who actually cast ballots in the last general election—just over 208,000 names.
And that change was introduced less than 24 hours after Mark Carney was elected by Ontario, Quebec, and the Atlantic provinces, with virtually no support in Alberta or Saskatchewan.
The timing isn’t a coincidence. It’s a message.
The bill includes other changes: banning electronic vote tabulators, scrapping vouching, expanding access to special ballots, and even bringing back corporate and union donations—with disclosure requirements.
But make no mistake: the most important clause in this bill is the one that makes a referendum on separation not just legal, but logistically possible.
It’s a political earthquake hiding in a procedural memo.
For the first time ever, Albertans can realistically force a vote on independence—and it’s happening just as the country they’re being told to stay in moves further and further away from who they are.
This is no longer theory. It’s legislation. And now the countdown begins.
I see that in 8-12 months there could be a no confidence vote if Carney screws up. This could force another election in another 18 months.
Or at least that is how I understand it?
Canadians feel free to chime in.
Or at least that is how I understand it?
Canadians feel free to chime in.
I see that in 8-12 months there could be a no confidence vote if Carney screws up. This could force another election in another 18 months.
Or at least that is how I understand it?
Canadians feel free to chime in.
I give it 15 months to maybe 2 years, but I really hope you are correct at 8 to 12.
Initially Carney gets the "anti-51st state" and "Governor" momentum from the voters. But I'm totally shocked that Canadians (or anyone else) took Trump's comments even 1/2 way seriously. Do they not read? Is Trump's book, THE ART OF THE DEAL, not translated into the Canadian language? Seriously it was all so obvious that anyone who got butthurt missed the whole concept. Most voters (everywhere in the world) are ignorant, so they are easy to forgive. But the media and the politicians seemed have have fallen for it.
Rubes and buffoons. The regret will set in. Voters remote will prevail when Carney doubles down on Little Fidel Trudeau's policies.