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Official ABC News "Trump - Harris Debate" discussion thread

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Yes, it is slightly premature, but it seems like a good idea to have one master thread for all discussion related to the upcoming Trump v Harris debate that will air on ABC.
Figured I'd start it out by showing there is NO MEDIA BIAS at all coming from ABC News, or the anchors who are hosting this debate :hide:

The MEDIA RESEARCH CENTER provides some analysis. I encourage you to check their website regularly.



100%! ABC Debate Moderator David Muir Hosts Most Pro-Harris, Left-Wing Newscast

Vice President Kamala Harris will meet former President Donald Trump tomorrow night for a debate hosted by ABC News, and she could not have chosen a friendlier forum for their first encounter. A new study by the Media Research Center finds that, of the Big Three evening newscasts, ABC’s World News Tonight — run by debate moderator David Muir — has been the most positive towards Harris and the most hostile to Trump.
MRC analysts reviewed all 100 campaign stories that aired on ABC’s World News Tonight from the day Harris entered the race (July 21) through September 6, including weekends. Our analysts found 25 clearly positive statements about Harris from reporters, anchors, voters or other non-partisan sources, with zero negative statements — none. That computes to a gravity-defying 100% positive spin score for the Vice President.
As for Trump, our analysts found just five clearly positive comments, vs. 66 negative statements, for a dismal 7 percent positive (93% negative) spin score.
Our measure of good press/bad press omits partisan comments, as well as “horse race” assessments about the candidates’ poll standings and prospects. So while viewers of ABC’s World News Tonight certainly heard negative comments about Harris during these past six-and-a-half weeks, all of them were from Trump, his campaign team, or other Republicans — never from reporters or nonpartisan sources.
At the same time, while our spin score similarly excludes all Democratic soundbites about the Republican nominee, ABC’s reporters and anchors either jumped in to criticize Trump themselves, or broadcast negative comments from non-partisan sources to impart a heavily negative spin to the former President’s coverage.
[For more on the methodology, scroll to the end of this article.]
During these same weeks, both the CBS Evening News and NBC Nightly News also delivered highly positive coverage for Harris, and mostly negative coverage for Trump, yet not as extreme as we found with ABC’s World News Tonight. Employing the same methodology, coverage of Harris was 94% positive on CBS, and 71% positive on NBC — historically good press, but not as good as the 100% positive press she received on ABC.
As for Trump, his coverage was 77% negative on CBS, and 86% negative on NBC — extremely hostile, but not as dreadful as the whopping 93% negative coverage he received on ABC.
Our study also found other ways that ABC’s flagship newscast aided the Democratic nominee:
ABC’s World News Tonight never labeled Harris as “liberal.” Both CBS and NBC correspondents confirmed Harris’s ideology early on in her campaign. Back on July 21, CBS’s Weijia Jiang said Harris “has a liberal voting record that could be balanced with a more moderate VP.” Three days later, NBC’s Liz Kreutz identified Harris as a “self-described progressive prosecutor.”
But as of September 4, ABC’s correspondents had yet to call Harris either a “liberal” or a “progressive.” Instead eight stories included brief clips of Republicans (usually former President Trump) calling out Harris’s liberal record. ABC’s reporters and anchors also never criticized Harris’s handling of issues such as the economy or the border.
While there were few criticisms of Harris’s policies and ideology on CBS and NBC, they weren’t entirely absent. “Harris is providing few details on her plans, which one nonpartisan group says will add $1.7 trillion to the deficit,” NBC’s Gabe Gutierrez told viewers back on August 17. “And both Republican and Democratic economists have argued against government price controls.”
■ Unlike ABC, both CBS and NBC occasionally showed voters who oppose Harris. Even during the early, highly-positive honeymoon coverage of Harris back in July, evening news viewers occasionally saw voters who didn’t like the Vice President. Reporting in Georgia back on July 30, NBC’s Peter Alexander interviewed a voter, Ben Wilson, who “blames both Biden and Harris for high prices.”
Wilson said he was upset by “everything from gas prices to, you know, eggs, the cost of living, everything.”
More recently, Nightly News viewers on September 4 saw a voter in New Hampshire declaring his preference for Trump: “Harris will be four more years of misery.”
Yet no such voters were ever included in ABC’s evening news coverage, although they seemed to have no objection to showing pro-Harris voters, such as the fangirl who popped up on the August 18 World News Tonight: “We’re so excited about the Harris/Walz ticket and the hope and the joy.”
CBS and NBC both found critics of Harris’s tenure as a prosecutor. “Some progressives called out Harris for being too tough on crime, but conservatives criticized her for being too lenient,” CBS’s Nikole Killion told viewers in an August 22 profile of the new Democratic nominee. No such criticism — from either the right or the left — was shown on ABC’s World News Tonight.
■ Promoting Trump’s controversies, hiding Harris’s. Back on August 3, both CBS and NBC briefly let their viewers know that Harris’s husband, Doug Emhoff, had committed adultery during his first marriage. Correspondent Natalie Brand explained on the CBS Weekend News: “Emhoff in a statement obtained by CBS News said that during his first marriage, he went through some tough times on account of his actions and took responsibility in the years since.”
Neither network treated Emhoff’s transgression as a big deal, yet ABC didn’t offer up even a second of coverage to this negative story about the Vice President’s husband. Instead, ABC’s Selina Wang that night explained how Harris had “officially lock[ed] up enough votes to become the presumptive Democratic nominee,” and talked about her ongoing search for a running mate.
World News Tonight certainly wasn’t shy about giving oxygen to what they presented as Trump controversies. The network talked about Trump’s comment questioning Harris’s race in four different stories, for a combined 3 minutes, 48 seconds of coverage. ABC offered up three different stories (3 minutes, 30 seconds) talking about the kerfuffle following Trump’s visit to Arlington National Cemetery to commemorate those killed in the 2021 withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And the network hit Trump on his comments contrasting the Medal of Honor with the Presidential Medal of Freedom on two different nights, tallying up to a total of three minutes, 14 seconds of coverage. “Tonight, Trump still facing criticism....” ABC’s Rachel Scott touted on August 19, three full days after her newscast’s initial coverage of the remark.
ABC provided no such scrutiny for Harris’s flubs. Prior to the Vice President’s August 29 interview with CNN, ABC had only allowed six seconds to the idea that she was ducking tough questions. World News Tonight devoted less than a minute of airtime (59 seconds) to the fact that Harris became the Democratic nominee without facing voters in any primary or caucus.
Yet on eight different occasions, the network toasted the “historic” nature of Harris as the “first black woman and first Asian American,” as correspondent Selina Wang celebrated back on July 21.
“The final night of the Democratic National Convention, and it will be an historic one,” ABC’s David Muir echoed a month later, on August 22. “Vice President Kamala Harris, the first black woman and Asian American set to accept a major party’s nomination for President.”
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Tomorrow night’s debate will be moderated by David Muir, the weekday anchor of World News Tonight, and Linsey Davis, who anchors the Sunday edition of the same broadcast. Muir holds the title of “Managing Editor,” which means he can review all of the field reports used on his newscast and assure that they are fair to both sides.
Based on the record of the past six and a half weeks, Muir’s newscast could hardly be more one-sided in its approach to the 2024 presidential campaign. It does not augur well for the potential fairness of tomorrow’s debate.
METHODOLOGY: To determine the spin of news coverage, our analysts tallied all explicitly evaluative statements about each candidate from either reporters, anchors or non-partisan sources such as experts or voters. Evaluations from partisan sources, as well as neutral statements, were not included.
 
Final debate preparations for Harris have been revealed, but it would be a mistake to underestimate her ability to perform on the debate stage. She has had some great debate performances. She has also had some horrible performances.



Kamala Harris Is Secluded In A Hotel With A Trump Impersonator

28th August 2024
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Fox News reporter Bryan Llenas revealed at the weekend that Kamala Harris’ campaign has got her in a hotel in Pittsburgh on a fake stage with a Trump impersonator, desperately practising for Tuesday’s debate.
“We know that Vice President Kamala Harris is in her hotel in Pittsburgh. They’ve got the lights as if it’s in a studio,” Llenas claimed, adding “They’ve got the stage. They’ve even brought in somebody who’s dressed and acting like the former President.”
This is almost exactly what they did with Biden before the debate that ultimately ended him.
They secluded him away for a week, trying to make his pudding brain function in order to take on Trump.
Now they face a whole different challenge of drilling Harris so she can function without cheat notes, something she hasn’t done since becoming the nominee, and without being able to goad Trump into soundbite traps because of the muted microphones rule that the Harris campaign failed to get changed.
The polls are once again showing Trump leading Harris in in the crucial states.
And overall.
There is no where left for Harris to hide.
 
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Dang it. Saw this thread and though shit, I'm missing the debate. Hurried up and went to live TV but I couldn't find it. Finally it dawned on me. The debate is tomorrow. :pat: :pat: :bonk: Got me Bob. LOL
 
Dang it. Saw this thread and thought shit, I'm missing the debate. Hurried up and went to live TV but I couldn't find it. Finally it dawned on me. The debate is tomorrow. :pat: :pat: :bonk: Got me Bob. LOL

I literally said, it was a bit premature!

But I thought it was good to do it early so people would see it.

It was not a trick, it was a plan.
 
I am not really worried about Trump winning this debate.
He doesn't have to win. Just not lose.
I worry a bit about him losing some ground because of ABC Monitors.

I doubt VP Kamala will get under his skin.

Trump knows who he is and what he can be
He knows what the country is and what it could be

His self-confidence is often mistaken for arrogance. And his enemies often try to exploit that. All THE Donald has to do is maintain composure and let the party girl come undone.
 
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Another lead up interview about the debate, here VA Gov Younkin lays out some smack down on Harris that will, very likely, not even be addressed by ABC News monitors

Short video at link, I can seem to successfully embed the video



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VP Harris is getting pressure from the pro-HAMAS group C.A.I.R., the largest pro islamic/pro Palestinian advocacy group in the nation. They want Harris, in the debate, to provide some sort of verbal support for Hamas.

Of course the conditions imposed would yield a Hamas victory and death to Israel, which, was attacked by Hamas and is legally and rightfully defending itself.



Muslim-Americans push Harris for new Gaza commitment during debate

Emily HallasSeptember 9, 2024 6:47 pm

Harris will meet Trump for the first time this week for the pair’s presidential debate. A Muslim-American organization, which has frequently pressured Biden to back off on supporting Israel, wants Harris to make new promises to pro-Palestinian voters on the debate stage, according to a report from Newsweek.
Emgage wants Harris to issue “a more nuanced stance that could resonate with voters, particularly among the pro-Palestinian movements and the broader Muslim and Arab American communities.”
“The Muslim-American community feels heartbroken by President Biden’s handling of the crisis,” the organization said in a statement to the outlet.
“To win over pro-Palestinian voters, Harris should make a strong commitment to ending the violence, supporting a ceasefire, and reassess current U.S. policy, including the need to condition aid to Israel that is in line with our own laws and adhere to international human rights standards,” it continued.
Along with a ceasefire, Emgage is pressuring Harris to condition U.S. military aid to Israel.
“Calling for the conditioning of aid to Israel based on compliance with U.S. law and international human rights standards would be a significant step in distinguishing herself from the Administration’s current policy without entirely breaking from it,” the organization declared. . . . . STORY CONTINUES AT LINK
 
Harris's real political positions, exposed by CNN.

Got to give CNN some credit for actually doing a basic level of journalism.

Notice how, at the end, the CNN host seems to admit a bit of shock over the report. Truth hits hard.

 
Harris's real political positions, exposed by CNN.

Got to give CNN some credit for actually doing a basic level of journalism.

Notice how, at the end, the CNN host seems to admit a bit of shock over the report. Truth hits hard.


The reaction of the anchor is quite humorous because you can tell she knows this report hurts Kamala, yet at the same time it's factual and can't be written off easily.

The response back to the report from the Harris campaign is also very telling in that it implies that she has since changed her positions on all these things. So, this goes back to the one CNN interview she did recently where she said her "values" haven't changed. This is going to come back to bite her every time.

All they have to do is ask her, like in the debate tonight would be great, this question: You say your values have not changed, so why have your positions changed?
 
All they have to do is ask her, like in the debate tonight would be great, this question: You say your values have not changed, so why have your positions changed?

Excellent question!
 
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Trump will be fine. He's got the best anti KamelToe antagonist in the world on his prep team. Tulsi Gabbard. She brutalized the bitch to no end 4 years ago. He's ready to go.

Meanwhile Vance is out there playing the Dems game of disinformation by telling tales of Haitian migrants eating people's pets. It has caught on big time in the meme world. :lmao: :thumbup: (y) :ROFLMAO:

Let's see how the fucking Dems like it when the tables are turned. He can play the game with the best of them. Love the guy.

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Like hike, love him or not, Trump is a known entity. We know what he can and will do in the office of the Presidency.
For those who support her candidacy, for whatever reason or illogic, Kamala is a gamble. She has reversed many of the positions that supported her for years and now embraces opposite views.

Hopefully, Trump will politely point this out. Kamal will be, well frankly, a conniving bitch.

It is, quite honestly, all she has.

My guess, Trump will not lose anyone he currently has supporting him.
It is Kamala's support that is at risk.
 
I've had enough word salad already
Question how's the economy and we get a history lesson on her mother and no answer good, mediocre, or bad, Ding ding WRONG ANSWER
 
Honestly I see Harris as performing well under this format.

Basically the format doesn't CHALLENGE her.

Harris can make statements, forcefully and intelligently. What Harris can NOT do is RESPOND to challenges. This format is not challenging Harris or allowing Trump to challenge her. She makes a statement. He responds. He makes a statement. She responds. But there is no real challenge under this format.

A TIE in this debate is probably a win for Harris. She needs to show herself as she really is for this debate to destroy her.
 
Honestly I see Harris as performing well under this format.

Basically the format doesn't CHALLENGE her.

Harris can make statements, forcefully and intelligently. What Harris can NOT do is RESPOND to challenges. This format is not challenging Harris or allowing Trump to challenge her. She makes a statement. He responds. He makes a statement. She responds. But there is no real challenge under this format.

A TIE in this debate is probably a win for Harris. She needs to show herself as she really is for this debate to destroy her.
she just got her first real question on fracking and iirc 8 years ago she was fighting drilling off california coasts not im my back yard syndrome
 
We are almost at the mid-point of the debate right now.

Harris is lying thru her teeth about her "middle class" history blah blah blah but the truth of her upbringing will not be challenged.

She is having a good debate. She is doing well.

I'm not saying that Trump is doing badly, I'm just saying that Harris has not crumbled, not cackled, not lost it. She lied about fracking and all sorts of other things, but she did it with composure and that will sway ignorant undecided voters.
 
3 versus 1. The mods join with Harris to debate Trump.

She evades on late term abortion, gun buyback, fracking. Evades and changes the conversation.

She can't say were better off than 4 years ago.

She says her passion is small business??????? WAT?

She distorts unemployment figures.

Trump goes for it!! "They're eating the dogs in Springfield, ILL.

Now the ABC mods are fact checking.
 
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All they have to do is ask her, like in the debate tonight would be great, this question: You say your values have not changed, so why have your positions changed?
Amazing. Linsey Davis just asked Kamala the above question, almost verbatim. Kamala's answer: She talked about how she has supported fracking during the Biden/Harris administration. So, in other words, she didn't answer the question. She deflected. Not surprising, and this question will continue to dog her.
 
Totally biased.

Harris is doing well. Trump is not scoring a knock down.

2 moderators are supporting Harris to make this a 3 versus 1 debate.

Since it is a 3 to 1 debate, let's be very clear Harris wins independent support if she does not fail.

Harris is parsing terms on banning fracking, of course she won't outright ban it, but she will severely restrict it. Biden/Harris already did that. Ditto with other positions. The moderators use an "absolute" term but never follow up with a softer term, this gives Harris enough wiggle room to pass the "fact checkers" code of honesty.
 
Now she blames Trump for the Afghanistan debacle. Who in hell watching is going to believe that?

People are seeing her for what she is. A first class bull shit artist with a low IQ and no policy to campaign on.

Verdict. The media will declare Harris the winner. ABC to date has given her 100% positive coverage in this campaign. The needle will move very little unless she scores a KO which is doubtful.
 
Totally biased.

Harris is doing well. Trump is not scoring a knock down.

2 moderators are supporting Harris to make this a 3 versus 1 debate.

Since it is a 3 to 1 debate, let's be very clear Harris wins independent support if she does not fail.

Harris is parsing terms on banning fracking, of course she won't outright ban it, but she will severely restrict it. Biden/Harris already did that. Ditto with other positions. The moderators use an "absolute" term but never follow up with a softer term, this gives Harris enough wiggle room to pass the "fact checkers" code of honesty.
The bias was expected. The way they phrase many of the questions and which questions they choose favors Harris. And they've asked several questions of Trump where it was "....how exactly would you do that?", and if Trump doesn't answer directly, they ask again. They haven't asked Harris any questions that were so pointed and persistent. They've frequently let her get away without answering the question, and they don't challenge her further.
 
Harris survived.

She survived because ABC would not fact check her, preferring to spend their efforts in fact checking Trump.

She survived because ABC wanted to focus on Trump's so called scandals and not Harris's failures. They never once questioned her on her failures in 3 1/2 years in office.

She is still losing this election and the momentum has shifted in Trump's favor. Proof? Harris campaign spokesperson tonite stated they wanted another debate in October most likely on Fox News. Why would they do that if they felt their campaign was on cruise control.

Pay no attention to what they say, pay attention to what they do.

Trump should have done some of the job the moderators refused to do and push her even harder than he did.
 
She survived because ABC would not fact check her, preferring to spend their efforts in fact checking Trump.

She survived because ABC wanted to focus on Trump's so called scandals and not Harris's failures. They never once questioned her on her failures in 3 1/2 years in office.

She is still losing this election and the momentum has shifted in Trump's favor. Proof? Harris campaign spokesperson tonite stated they wanted another debate in October most likely on Fox News. Why would they do that if they felt their campaign was on cruise control.

Pay no attention to what they say, pay attention to what they do.

Trump should have done some of the job the moderators refused to do and push her even harder than he did.
I hope they do another debate. The more we hear from Harris, the more obvious it will become that she's dodging answering the fundamental question: Why have your positions changed? We all know she's only changed her positions because she's trying to win the election by appealing to the center. She's been far left her whole career until now, apparently. The more she's exposed as a fraud, the less people will like her.
 
I couldn't watch the entire thing and went to bed early. The very first question Harris didn't even answer. Why didn't they ask her the question again so she would actually answer it? Maybe because it would hurt her.

The moderators had no business getting involved as they did because it was an insult to the viewers. Let the two sides debate each other.
 
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