Obama supporters spit on Romney supporters ~ WTF?

[cdajen]

FYI, if you spit on someone it is legally chargeable as assault.

Ditto if a fast food worker spits in your food, that too is assault.

Liberals, oddly enough, seem to do all the spitting.

....said the pot to the kettle

From rightwingstuff.com

 

[Melensdad]

....said the pot to the kettle

From rightwingstuff.com

What do your posts of little cafepress pictures have to do with spitting? It is a fact that spitting on someone is a chargeable assault.

As for you little cafepress pictures, only the Ann Coulter quote actually advocates any action. The others are simple statements that do not, in any way, help your cause nor harm mine.

Fact is the liberals are the ones who typically are the violent political actors in this nation.

 

[Melensdad]

Here is a liberal open minded and enlightened person calling a black woman an "uncle Tom"

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=69016&sitesection=breitbart&VID=23780923


And here are some more enlightened liberals who got arrested for trying to blow up a bridge...LINK >>> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...bing-will-snitch-on-fellow-occupy-terrorists/


And here is a list of over 400 criminal incidents that were documented at the Occupy Movement events...LINK >>> http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2011/10/28/UPDATED---OccupyWallStreet--The-Rap-Sheet--So-Far

 

[Danang Sailor]

....said the pot to the kettle

From rightwingstuff.com

This will no doubt enhance my reputation among some on here as a right-wingnut, but I happen to believe quite
strongly that these two quotes are absolute truth. The committed "There is nothing worth dying for!" pacifist is a
danger, as he will always find a reason to avoid violent action, even if that action is the only way to save his country.

As for the Hyphenated American, see my <rant> here: http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?t=57856&page=2

The last two pictorial quotes in your post are, in fact, as unrepresentative of true conservative views as the "Put you
back in chains!" BS from the current VP.

 

[tiredretired]

I am already known as a right wing nut so I do not have to be concerned with anything. The point being you are not Italian-American or African-American. YOU ARE AMERICAN! First & foremost. What the hell is wrong with that thinking?

As for pacifists? Fine. Go sit in the truck and let the men defend America's freedoms.

 

[fogtender]

Liberals simply have issues with free speach, as long as it what they want to hear they are fine. Say the wrong view and they come unhinged.

They flat out lie in the national press and many of the American people now realize that and the major networks are simply losing major bucks because people quit watching them!

Now they are claiming Romney didn't pay taxes, really? Do you think that if that was really true Obama would have put the dogs of the IRS on him, so they just keep repeating a lie hoping people believe them. It isn't working now, where it did in years past.

The closer we get to the election the shrill voice off the liberals will really be in a panic mode and they will get even more desperate and their stories of Romney and Ryan will get really off the chart of reality.

BTW, I just caught on the radio that Jay Leno is taking a pay cut because the Network can't afford to keep him on the air even though his show is a money maker. Seems the money bleeding is starting to show.

 

[Kane]

I challenge anyone to compare the Tea Party's MO to that of any liberal organization's record of violence and disregard for property rights. For starters, consider the respect shown at Beck's event in DC compared to the violence of SEIU or the ongoing public mayhem of OWS.

 

[mak2]

Please, no facts, it just pisses them off.

violent, disruptive and generally uncivil??? You really think that's factual? How many liberals do you know? As a liberal, with liberal friends and a liberal family, I have nothing but disdain for violence or unnecessary lack of civility. I'm not disruptive.

additionally, just as an FYI... no one has ever contracted HIV from being spit on.

 

[cdajen]

Liberals simply have issues with free speach, as long as it what they want to hear they are fine. Say the wrong view and they come unhinged.

They flat out lie in the national press and many of the American people now realize that and the major networks are simply losing major bucks because people quit watching them!

Now they are claiming Romney didn't pay taxes, really? Do you think that if that was really true Obama would have put the dogs of the IRS on him, so they just keep repeating a lie hoping people believe them. It isn't working now, where it did in years past.

The closer we get to the election the shrill voice off the liberals will really be in a panic mode and they will get even more desperate and their stories of Romney and Ryan will get really off the chart of reality.

BTW, I just caught on the radio that Jay Leno is taking a pay cut because the Network can't afford to keep him on the air even though his show is a money maker. Seems the money bleeding is starting to show.

I dont believe in suppressing ANYONE's right to free speech and expression. I support the right of people I entirely disagree with to say whatever they'd like. However, Freedom of speech doesn't not meant that you can say whatever you want, without consequence. It is my right to call bullshit when people say untrue things.

The claim that Romney hasn't paid taxes is clearly bullshit. the fact that he pays a lower percentage of taxes than I do, is true. the fact that he pays such a large percentage of his taxes to the Mormon church, which then funds a good portion of his campaign, also bothers me. I make charitable donations and yes, I could write them off, but I don't. I dont make donations with the intention of paying less taxes, I make the contributions because I am able to, and I believe in supporting causes I feel are important.

Please try to make the distinction between what you assume all "liberals" think, and what individuals think. I am not fond of Harry Reid, or Pelosi, or Frank. They are terrible spokespeople for the Liberals. Just as I think Boehner and Romney and Ryan are terrible examples of Conservatives. If we could work on finding common ground, things could be so much less contentious and so much more efficacious.

I will do my very best not to assume things about your beliefs. Please try to do the same for me.

 

[cdajen]

I am already known as a right wing nut so I do not have to be concerned with anything. The point being you are not Italian-American or African-American. YOU ARE AMERICAN! First & foremost. What the hell is wrong with that thinking?

As for pacifists? Fine. Go sit in the truck and let the men defend America's freedoms.

I am a human being first, I am a daughter, aunt and partner second, I am an American third. I have little patience for people who use their race or ethnic background to separate themselves from others. I don't give a flying fuck what color someone is, or what country their family comes from. Most of us are mutts, including me, and I'm fine with that.

As for pacifists... My father retired after 35 years of military service to this country and I'm proud of that. I grew up on or near military bases for most of my childhood and I thank anyone who has served their country. I also value people who choose to use their minds and words to affect change, rather than using brute force. I'm not sure what you mean by "let the men defend America's freedoms", I'll try not to assume that you're being either sexist or calling men who don't believe in violence, less than masculine. I'm a gun owner, hunter and would not hesitate for second to defend my family or loved ones with violence if that was necessary. I don't believe in violence except as a last choice. Please ask yourself what men are defending "America's Freedoms" via violence currently.

 

[cdajen]

examples of violence committed by "conservatives" against "liberals"

Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church in Knoxville, Tenn in 2008. Jim Adkisson, an unemployed truck driver, walked into a Unitarian church, and opened fire on parishioners leaving two dead and seven people injured. Even more disturbing was his rationale. Usually killers turn against their families and co-workers, but Adkisson lashed out against a group who he thought was responsible for his problems – liberals.

October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.
-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.
-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)
-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire,simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.

 

[Melensdad]

Neo-Nazi's are conservatives? Since when is an offshoot of a socialist party considered conservative? And then you name Skin-heads as conservatives? They are an offshoot of Neo-Nazis!!! FYI, the Nazi party = The National Socialist Workers' Party

Now look at 90% of the other so-called conservative attacks you list and show me proof they are conservative. The unidentified white guy who walked into a mosque is now conservative, why is he not a white supremacist? Prove he is not. The Hutaree Militiamen who were found innocent? The anti-government extremist . . . might he have been an anarchist instead of a conservative? Soverign citizens, tax protestors, none of those might be anarchists? The patriots, are they different than the nationalistic patriots from the Neo-Nazi party you so often cite because it seems to me that Germany was a hotbed of nationalistic pride and claimed to be patriots.

Be careful what you fling around, some of it might end up sticking on you.

Seriously, how about real evidence?!? I'm tired of the media reports like when ABC tied the Colorado theatre shooting to the Tea Party, or when the Gabby Giffords shooter was tied to right wing extremism. Both turned out to be outright lies.

And then after you do that, I'd lay 10 to 1 odds you can find 10 cases of liberal violence for every DOCUMENTED case of conservative violence.

 

[FrancSevin]

I am sorry but,the left is never violent,,,they are justified.

It is the TEA's that are clearly the problem as the left can surely explain the TEA's are simply wrong.

Anybody with a gun is obviously a conservative and if anybody shoots at a policeman the cop was obviously a liberal. Such logic pervades the pyshi of the left as part of tha Justification of which I speak. First redefine the crime, then relabel the act inviolved. Universal application assured. The left is fond of using labels to transfer guilt and fear to their oponents.


It was Gabby Giffords shooting that was first labeled a TEA party right wing extremist attack

It is why the Colorado Theater shooter was first labeled a right wing extremist , within minutes of the event.

Who does this labeling?

The copliant left wing media.

Who defends it

The same water carrying lackeys.

Who dares to challenge it?

Them damn right wing folks from the extremist GOP party.

I am willing to guess the left leaning press would like them to stop it.

 

[cdajen]

Since I cannot interview any of the people that plotted or committed violence in the above cases, it is very hard for me to show "proof" of their political or social affiliation. I challenge you to call a neo-nazi, white supremacist, or any of the people listed a "liberal" and see what happens. They believe they are "conserving" traditional American values. I do not know a single "liberal" supporter of neo-nazi'ism.

 

[FrancSevin]

Since I cannot interview any of the people that plotted or committed violence in the above cases, it is very hard for me to show "proof" of their political or social affiliation. I challenge you to call a neo-nazi, white supremacist, or any of the people listed a "liberal" and see what happens. They believe they are "conserving" traditional American values. I do not know a single "liberal" supporter of neo-nazi'ism.

How convenient for you and your arguments.

Hell sling the mud on anybody then. Just throw the grenades and plead innocence.

 

[Kane]

examples of violence committed by "conservatives" against "liberals"

What? About twenty episodes of 'sovereign citizen' violence over two years? Be assured the lib's searched the web hi and lo for these lurid examples. googled, googled and then goolged again. And this is all they could come up with? Scary.


















and leave cousins Jerry and Joe out of it.
.

 

[cdajen]

I didn't say that liberals are Never violent. It gets tiresome quickly when people speak only in black and white generalities, with no gray area. I don't have to defend every liberal, and you don't have to defend every conservative.

 

[cdajen]

Good grief, you're really not interested in exchanging ideas or possible solutions are you. Is everything a 0% or 100% to you?

Do you agree with everything Limbaugh says? Hannity? Beck? Michael Savage? Ann Coulter? Romney? Trump? Herman Cain? Santorum? Gingrich? Pawlenty? Bachman? Gary Johnson? Eric Erickson? Ron Christie? Karl Rove?

Do you feel the need to support their every word and Idea? No?

Well I don't agree with everyone who calls themselves liberal or aligns themselves with the democratic party. I'm not a spokesperson for "liberals". I only speak for myself.
Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

[Melensdad]

Good grief, you're really not interested in exchanging ideas or possible solutions are you.

Yes I am.

Is everything a 0% or 100% to you?

Nope, lots of room for grey.

Do you agree with everything Limbaugh says? Hannity? Beck? Michael Savage? Ann Coulter? Romney? Trump? Herman Cain? Santorum? Gingrich? Pawlenty? Bachman? Gary Johnson? Eric Erickson? Ron Christie? Karl Rove?

I pay attention to very few of them but its an interesting group. Gary Johnson and Rick Santorum are diametrically opposed to each other on many issues. Ditto Trump and Bachman.

Do you feel the need to support their every word and Idea? No?

How could I? Seriously you listed folks who support drugs, oppose drugs, support abortion, oppose abortion, advance special incentives, veto special incentives, etc.

Well I don't agree with everyone who calls themselves liberal or aligns themselves with the democratic party. I'm not a spokesperson for "liberals". I only speak for myself.

OK

Why is that so difficult to understand?

I don't think it is. Why do you think so?

 

[cdajen]

exactly, and there are "liberals" of all different persuasions and opinions and mindsets. We don't all believe the same things, or agree on methods of accomplishing things. therefore I'd really appreciate it if people would stop assuming they know what I believe because i'm a liberal.

 

[FrancSevin]

Do you feel the need to support their every word and Idea? No?

Well I don't agree with everyone who calls themselves liberal or aligns themselves with the democratic party. I'm not a spokesperson for "liberals". I only speak for myself.
Why is that so difficult to understand?

If you only speak for yourself then you should expect to be challenged on your accusations. Yet you insistou say you cannot substatiate them and don't feel you have to dio so.

I would then ask Sir, what does that say of your credibility?

Me, I expect to be challenged on what I present there. That is what a healthy debate is about. The true exchange of ideas and facts so that we can all get a more fleshed out picture of the subject from various veiwpoints.

But wild accusations without substance are just pettifogs and strawmen radomly and uselessly tossed into the mix.

Damn straight somebody here will challenge such contributions. It is a obligation in the pursuit of truth to do so.

If one wishes to spout and expect everyone in the room to accept it, go the the bathroom, sit on the can, take a dump and spout your opinions. When done with both operations, push the handle. You will learn as much from that as you will posting unsubstiated venom on this Forum.

 

[Melensdad]

But back onto the topic of liberal violent attacks

Family Research Council Shooting Possibly Driven by Politics
By THEO EMERY and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Published: August 16, 2012

WASHINGTON — A Virginia man charged with shooting a security guard at the headquarters of a prominent conservative organization told the guard “words to the effect of ‘I don’t like your politics,’ ” according to an affidavit filed in the case on Thursday.

The defendant, Floyd L. Corkins II, 28, appeared briefly in United States District Court here, the day after he was wrestled to the ground in the lobby of the Family Research Council here after shooting a guard who tried to stop him from proceeding farther into the building, the authorities said. Mr. Corkins faces charges of transporting a gun across state lines and assault with intent to kill. He was ordered held without bond, and a detention hearing was scheduled for Aug. 24.

The Family Research Council advocates socially conservative and Christian causes. An affidavit filed by prosecutors indicated that Mr. Corkins, who had volunteered at a Washington community center for gay men and lesbians, “has strong opinions with respect to those he believes do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner.”

Investigators said they found a loaded Sig Sauer 9-millimeter pistol and additional ammunition, including two loaded magazines, at the scene. Mr. Corkins also had 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches in a backpack. The president of Chick-fil-A, Dan T. Cathy, has stirred ferocious debate over his opposition to same-sex marriage. His stance has been praised by groups like the Family Research Council, but a few mayors, including Vincent C. Gray of Washington, have told the company it is not welcome in their cities.

Mr. Corkins, who wore a white jumpsuit with a lowered hood and appeared to have a blackened right eye, spoke little during the brief hearing. He said his full name when prompted by the judge, and he later told the judge that he had no assets and little money for a lawyer, “maybe $300.”

During lulls in the proceedings, he scanned the courtroom audience with squinted eyes. A prosecutor, George Varghese, asked for a psychiatric evaluation, which the judge, Alan Kay, granted.

Surveillance footage showed that Mr. Corkins took a gun out of his backpack and began shooting at the guard, Leonardo R. Johnson, wounding him in the arm, the affidavit said.

Despite being shot, Mr. Johnson “moved towards Corkins, wrestled the firearm away from Corkins and subdued him,” according to the affidavit.

Mr. Corkins, who had been living with his parents in Herndon, told investigators he acted alone, the authorities said.

At a news conference, Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, praised Mr. Johnson — whose primary job is as building manager — as a hero and characterized the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism.

He said that “reckless rhetoric” aimed at groups like his had motivated Mr. Corkins. He singled out the Southern Poverty Law Center, which characterizes the Family Research Council as a hate group for its political positions on homosexuality.

“Floyd Corkins was responsible for firing the shot yesterday that wounded one of our colleagues and our friend Leo Johnson,” Mr. Perkins said, “but Corkins was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center.”

In a statement on the law center’s Web site, Mark Potok, a senior fellow there, called Mr. Perkins’s statement “outrageous.”

“Perkins and his allies, seeing an opportunity to score points, are using the attack on their offices to pose a false equivalency” between the law center’s criticisms of the Family Research Council and the council’s criticisms of gay men and lesbians, he wrote.

 

[CityGirl]

Neo-Nazi's are conservatives? Since when is an offshoot of a socialist party considered conservative?

Do you think a single neo nazi would vote for Obama????

And then you name Skin-heads as conservatives? They are an offshoot of Neo-Nazis!!! FYI, the Nazi party = The National Socialist Workers' Party

I'm sorry, but that's simply wrong, just because they called themselves National Socialists doesn't mean that they were socialist. Nazism is a form of fascism. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state. Generally, fascism falls on the far right of the political spectrum while communism falls on the far left.

Ya'll will love this pic:

IF anarchism is defined as a political philosophy that holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary and harmful, then by conservative arguments, the conservative side of the spectrum must own many anarchists since smaller govt is close to no govt. However, the range of anarchism runs from extreme individualism to extreme collectivism so to assist in determining which side of the aisle an anarchist is assigned, one might look at the target of their violence. Whether folks on the right approve or not, the right side of the political spectrum is the umbrella for most of those who carry out acts of violence against abortionists and abortion clinics...i.e. Paul Hill and Eric Robert Rudolph. Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republican when residing in New York and reportedly voted for Libertarian Harry Brown.

The left will have to own Theodore Kaczynski.

 

[FrancSevin]

Bottom line here is we are discussing the validity of charges that the "RIGHT does it too." We should not be ignoring the OP which shows that the Left is currently engaged in tactics and behavior it's leaders should condemn.

We have not heard such admonitions.

Whenever a person labeled from the right is ill mannered, it is top news, above the fold, for days, and GOP leaders are persistantly scolded for it and explanations and apologies are demanded by the media.

Very seldom do we see the same scenerio when the left misbehaves.

Instead, the conversation is directed to the old standy subject of "well, the other side does it too."

Bad behavior of one group never justifies it on the other. Were the instances even comparable in size, scope and frequency, it would still be wrong.

And here we are now, discussing that neonazis and conservatives are on the same side of the spectrum. WTF is that to the OP?

 

[CityGirl]

OMG! You mean this thread has gone off the rails????? Why, that NEVER happens here!!!!!!

 

[cdajen]

FrancSevin, you are the one making absurd accusations. I was not defending violence because "the other side did it too", I was simply pointing out that it's ridiculous to say that one side corners the market on civility or a lack thereof.

 

[CityGirl]

... it's ridiculous to say that one side corners the market on civility or a lack thereof.

Hear! Hear!

 

[FrancSevin]

FrancSevin, you are the one making absurd accusations. I was not defending violence because "the other side did it too", I was simply pointing out that it's ridiculous to say that one side corners the market on civility or a lack thereof.

City Girl is right, as usual .


But,

I never said that. In fact what I said was that they are viewed differently, whether done more on one side than the other being irellavent to how they are reported.

I said one should not post accusations without being willing to stand by them, or explain them. You refused to do either.

And if you wishg to prove this latest statement, perhaps your list should be balanced. We all noticed you did not incleude any examples of the left being uncivil, only those with very vague allegations to the right.

So explanations of your intentions must be somehow otherwise devined? For what purpose did you post ten claims for which you have no substance, validity or proof. Much less of context to the original posting subject? Much less being balanced who you accused of unrest. And have stated you have no intent do do so.

That said,,,,,
What did I say that was "absurd"?

Opinions are fine, we all have them. But, i would suggest you try to be factual in your rebuttals.