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North Korean Missile

thcri

thcri

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Former Defense Secretary as reported by News Max wants the US to destroy North Korea's Long Range Ballistic Missile. He believes we should destroy it by launching a high explosive warhead from a submarine. Is this right??? If North Korea does launch it towards the US can we not stop it before it gets here? If we destroy it before North Korea launches it what will that do to the reputation of the United States with everything else that is going on? What's everyone elses opinion on this issue?

murph
 
My feeling is we would be stupid to do a pre-emptive strike.

On the other hand, the US, South Korea and Japan could do a joint training exercise and shoot the damn thing down the moment it crosses into international territory (12 mile limit offshore).
 
[FONT=&quot]Even if North Korea, or for that matter any country, have such capabilities (missiles) and deployed one on any western country I think they would be blown off the face of the earth in less than a week. So why would they use them?[/FONT]
 
daedong said:
[FONT=&quot] I think they would be blown off the face of the earth in less than a week. So why would they use them?[/FONT]
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It may very well be a threat at this time, but usually threats become reality. If we have missiles to intercept this thing great, but what if not. If we do have the capability and do stop it, then North Korea would be in trouble, but how do you hit North Korea without possibly effecting nearby countries? If we hit it now and disarm it then the world would see the US again as the one that tries to control the rest of the world and many other countries don't like that until they need help.

murph
 
thcri said:
It may very well be a threat at this time, but usually threats become reality. If we have missiles to intercept this thing great, but what if not. If we do have the capability and do stop it, then North Korea would be in trouble, but how do you hit North Korea without possibly effecting nearby countries? If we hit it now and disarm it then the world would see the US again as the one that tries to control the rest of the world and many other countries don't like that until they need help.

murph
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Being a typical aussie, I frequent the local pub, one thing in life I have learnt is when some unreasonable idiot tickles my chin I don’t go all out and declare a fight. I take it easy, talk smooth as I can, in 99.9 % of cases he backs off knowing my mates are standing behind me united.
 
daedong said:
Being a typical aussie, I frequent the local pub, one thing in life I have learnt is when some unreasonable idiot tickles my chin I don’t go all out and declare a fight. I take it easy, talk smooth as I can, in 99.9 % of cases he backs off knowing my mates are standing behind me united.
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When I worked in a bar as a bouncer I found zero tolerance worked very well. Speak softly and carry a big stick (and don't be afraid to use the stick).

Like I've said before I think you and I have a different perspective on things.

The only thing that I would say in this situation is for the US to not show all it's cards. North Korea is small potatoes in the bigger scope of things. There is no reason to lose our upperhand against countries like China by showing them what we can do.

PB
 
I suspect it is a big rocket, needing something like a NASA installation to launch. I'm sure we can view any launch preparations from space. Give them a fair warning. If they don't stop the process, a few smart missiles will take out the installation rather nicely, if we go for the fuel supplies.
 
daedong said:
I take it easy, talk smooth as I can, in 99.9 % of cases he backs off knowing my mates are standing behind me united.
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Man, you have good buddies. When I turn around in such a situation, my buddies are exchanging money taking bets. :pat:
 
I caught something in the news yesterday that in a test done there was a successful intercept of a ballistic missle. The intercept missle was launched from a ship and hit the missle that was 100 miles up and over 200 miles down range.
We could just try that on one of their missles.
 
The article that I read about the Star Wars project said that only 5 of the last 12 tries was successful...........
 
Junkman said:
The article that I read about the Star Wars project said that only 5 of the last 12 tries was successful...........
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Oh, my! I guess we should just give up then. :pat:

If you can't insure 100% success you might just make a mistake. Can't have that now can we? We might not look good in the eyes of our international neighbors. :rolleyes:

Amazing how so many people focus on what can't be done. It's a wonder anything gets invented or anyone takes the risk of starting a business...afterall, 1 in 3 businesses fail in the first year; so why try?
 
Cityboy said:
Oh, my! I guess we should just give up then. :pat:

If you can't insure 100% success you might just make a mistake. Can't have that now can we? We might not look good in the eyes of our international neighbors. :rolleyes:

Amazing how so many people focus on what can't be done. It's a wonder anything gets invented or anyone takes the risk of starting a business...afterall, 1 in 3 businesses fail in the first year; so why try?
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Your words about not trying!! I was only pointing out the success rate. I never made mention of not trying...You did... :whistle:
 
One would assume the missile will be fired east towards the Pacific Ocean. As mentioned already. All we need to do is knock it down after it clears the international waters zone. I'm sure China and Russia would be delighted about it also. Striking the missile in N. Korea would be my first choice. I too believe it would be a very bad idea.
 
Junkman said:
Your words about not trying!! I was only pointing out the success rate. I never made mention of not trying...You did... :whistle:
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I know I did, and I know you did not....it's called making an observation. Now, take a deep breath and pull the knot out of your drawers. :D Feel better now?

Actually, I should have prequalified my statement because I was not intending on pulling your chain, Junk...not this time anyway. :whistle: My comment was directed more to the overall worry in the MSM of "what if we miss?" The "Star Wars" system is a big political issue. Our political left is actually hoping it fails; or at least that's the way it appears.

So what if the first one misses?; there's still the second and subsequent attempts. Our first few attempts at a lot of things probably failed. I imagine our guided bombs and missles first trys weren't perfect either; but with persistence, look at what we can do now.
 
uhhhhhh, what the heck is MSM? :whistle:
 
CityBoy said:
Main Stream Media - ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, USA Today, NY Times, Time Magazine, NewsWeek, etc.
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Thanks CB. At first I thought you meant MSN (when I saw it in another thread). I even googled MSM and darn if MSN didn't come up as one of the top 5 links.
 
I think N. Korea, being part of the axis of evil, is looking to defend itself. While they likely know that the first pre-emptive U.S. strike will be against their long range missile systems, there is always a chance that they have one hiding, or that one gets away unscathed - targetted at U.S. soil. That, in itself, should extend the life of the country.
 
daedong said:
[FONT=&quot]My guess[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Sensationalism
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Until the little gargoyle actually hits something and kills people. Then, will the same people who say it is sensationalism turn around and say we intentionally ignored all the intelligence that suggested otherwise?
 
I would bet that he has the ability, or nearly the ability, to hit Japan with several warheads. Hitting Japan would not enrage the typical American Bubba in the same way that hitting US soil would, however, in world diplomatic circles, hitting Japan would probaly enrage more of the world's governments than hitting the US.

JMO
 
Cityboy said:
Until the little gargoyle actually hits something and kills people. Then, will the same people who say it is sensationalism turn around and say we intentionally ignored all the intelligence that suggested otherwise?
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No one said, ignore intelligence, but you must sieve wheat from the chaff, the article was a joke it gave no facts what so ever, the article was just sensationalising.
Your attitude appears to be that of Rambo style, if it moves blow it to bits. While Kim Jong Il's a fruit cake but there are presumably 23 million innocent people that live in north Korea. We have an obligation to them as well as our own folks. It’s a complex situation to resolve hence the standoff by the rest of the world.

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B_Skurka said:
hitting Japan would probaly enrage more of the world's governments than hitting the US.
JMO
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I don't think so, Don’t you remember the worlds reaction to Sept 11?[/FONT]
 
daedong said:
Your attitude appears to be that of Rambo style, if it moves blow it to bits.
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You are making an assumption...note the first three letters of that word. Well, here's my ASSumption of you:

Your attitude seems to be that of the French appeasement style. Appease them, be nice to them, regardless of what they do; and maybe they will like us.

daedong said:
While Kim Jong Il's a fruit cake but there are presumably 23 million innocent people that live in north Korea. We have an obligation to them as well as our own folks. It’s a complex situation to resolve hence the standoff by the rest of the world.
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There are billions of other innocent people throughout the world, millions of whom could be killed by a nuclear missile launched by this egotistical lunatic. We know where to strike to minimize collateral damage; but we worry about what the rest of the world will think of us. So, don't worry, we will probably go the Euro-Appeasement route and learn yet another hard lesson.
 
daedong said:
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I don't think so, Don’t you remember the worlds reaction to Sept 11?[/FONT]
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Our overall world wide acceptance has gone down hill ever since 9/11. On 9/11, the world felt sorrow and compassion for the US. Today, there are many people of other countries that see the US as an aggressor in Iraq, consequently, they have the feeling that what ever harm we encounter is our own doing. I am not in agreement with these feeling, but I also can't ignore knowing about them. Junk....
 
There are many countries who would love nothing more than to see the United States knocked down a notch or three. Russia and China would not hesitate to retaliate against NK if they were foolish enough to strike them. But those same countries urge restraint by the U.S. when we are threatened. The international community does not have an altruistic interest in NK civilians being harmed; they, for the most part would love to see the U.S. weakened in the eyes of the world.
 
Junkman said:
Our overall world wide acceptance has gone down hill ever since 9/11. On 9/11, the world felt sorrow and compassion for the US. Today, there are many people of other countries that see the US as an aggressor in Iraq, consequently, they have the feeling that what ever harm we encounter is our own doing.
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Junk I agree with your assessment of what some others in the world think. I am in steadfast support of our actions in Afghanistan and I believe that is a fully justified action. I think most people in the world feel that way too.

However I think our actions in Iraq have harmed us in the eyes of the world. I think Saddam Hussein deserved to be tossed out of power, I think his government was corrupt, I think that the regime was basically evil. All that said, he thumbed his nose at the United Nations, he did everthing he could do to covertly indicate that he was guilty of all he was accused of while denying it openly. He did a great job of duping us into attacking him and while we toppled him without much real effort, we turned public opinion against our nation when we attacked Iraq.

It is simply a shame that the United Nations is a spineless entity that will never live up to its charter. When the US steps in to do the job of the UN, then we get in trouble in the court of world opinion. In the case of North Korea, I hope we stick with the multi-lateral discussions.
 
[FONT=&quot]While I agree that the US has its detractors I think that most Americans see it in the extreme. [/FONT]
 
daedong said:
[FONT=&quot]While I agree that the US has its detractors I think that most Americans see it in the extreme. [/FONT]
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Did you mean the UN has its detractors?

If yes, I would agree that many Americans find it to be a waste of our effort and money. We seem to look at the UN as an organization that we financially support, that is generally hostile towards our goals, that is hosted on our soil but its representatives do not respect our laws . . . I could go on, but then I am only a 'moderate' when it comes to my feelings of the UN. Some of hte people who really dislike it might want to jump in and take it from where I left off.
 
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