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Kangaroo court in DC playing games with Obama SSN case

Kane said:
That's a lot of high-priced education. You can strike "parents help" and "working", so how did Obama pay for so much school?
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Perhaps with scholarships and student loans. His grandparents are broke either as far as I understand it. Many other students get these high priced educations the same way especially minority kids do. He also drew a salary as a community organizer while he was getting his law degree as he did that while attending school. Michelle Obama also comes to mind as father wasn't a rich man either and she meet him in collage..
 
joec said:
Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was the president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. So perhaps it was a combinations of education loans, parents help and working while going to school I would guess is to how he paid for his education.
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Joec Am I to take it that you agree that SS# Obama is using is fraudulent since you haven't replied and have changed the subject to where he worked. What he education was or how he got paid or some other non-relevant issue?
 
Kane said:
Oh, I suppose it could just be a mistake.

The SSN's of a person born (or applying for SSN) in Connecticut usually begins with a zero (0). The SSN of a person in Hawaii usually begins with a nine (9). So maybe someone just entered the first number as a zero when they should have correctly entered a nine.

Just sayin'.
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Wrong Wrong Wrong At the time Obama's SS# was issued Hawaii's indicator numbers were 575-576 HI
No error explanation. But EVEN if that were a possiblity it doesn't fit Obama's use of 042-68-4425. You see the Social Security office has said 042-68-4425 has not been issued to Obama. AND E-Verify has verified it doesn't belong to Obama. Lets see if you can come up with another incorrect explanation.
 
No I don't he has a social security number the same as anyone that works in this country. As to where he got it I listed how he could of come by from Connecticut though he may of never worked or lived there. As a minor his mother, step father, grandfather, grandmother etc could of gotten if they where ever there. I might add it could of also be a simple clerical error also. Now would bet that the SS # given is his since those numbers are not normally part of public records regardless and are illegal to use as identification either way. As far as I'm concerned he was born in Hawaii and believe his birth certificate is ligament and he is a citizen of the US and as such can and did run for president. I find the birther arguments about as mind boggling as the ones about Bush bombing the Twin Towers.
 
joec said:
No I don't he has a social security number the same as anyone that works in this country. As to where he got it I listed how he could of come by from Connecticut though he may of never worked or lived there. As a minor his mother, step father, grandfather, grandmother etc could of gotten if they where ever there. I might add it could of also be a simple clerical error also. Now would bet that the SS # given is his since those numbers are not normally part of public records regardless and are illegal to use as identification either way. As far as I'm concerned he was born in Hawaii and believe his birth certificate is ligament and he is a citizen of the US and as such can and did run for president. I find the birther arguments about as mind boggling as the ones about Bush bombing the Twin Towers.
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Joec I am going to make this real simple. Obama is and has been using SS# issued in Connectitcutt 042-68-4425. The Social Security Administration has verified that that particular SS# was not and has not been issued to him. Since it has not been issued to him it is not his SS#, plain and simple. Your opinion of how he might have gotten it holds no weight. And especially since the SSA has verified it is NOT his SS#. It is also a known fact Obama never was in Connecticutt. But lets say he was. The SSA still says that SS# 042-68-4425 was NOT issued to Obama! You have yet to put forth any possibility that disproves Obama is using a fraudulent SS#. And I haven't mentioned a thing about where he was born. How does that make his fraudulent use of a SS# a birther issue? Would you like to try another incorrect explanation to defend this usurper in chump?
 
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joec said:
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"was born in Hawaii and believe his birth certificate is ligament and he is a citizen of the US and as such can and did run for president."

Actually Joec that is not enough. He must be a "naural born citizen" and that is quite different.

But, all atempts to have this little detail resolved have met with legal obstacles and such sidestepping rulings and declaring the litigant as having "no standing" on the issue being brought before the court. This should seem a simple matter.

But apparently, if you are the chosen one, it is not so "Simple" And since he has been certified by so many who should have vetted him but didn't, it is an embarrasing question. The answer to which many do not wish to chance.


The SCOTUS will never hear this case. Doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just means that they won't.
 
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jollyroger88805 said:
Joec I am going to make this real simple. Obama is and has been using SS# issued in Connectitcutt 042-68-4425. The Social Security Administration has verified that that particular SS# was not and has not been issued to him. Since it has not been issued to him it is not his SS#, plain and simple. Your opinion of how he might have gotten it holds no weight. And especially since the SSA has verified it is NOT his SS#. And I haven't mentioned a thing about where he was born. How does that make his fraudulent use of a SS# a birther issue? Would you like to try another incorrect explanation to defend this usurper in chump?
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And you know that is his social security number for sure? I sure wouldn't let mine become common knowledge would you?
 
joec said:
And you know that is his social security number for sure? I sure wouldn't let mine become common knowledge would you?
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Hmmmm let me think a second. Yes I am sure. Obama used it to apply for his Selective Service Registration. And it was not redacted from the Senate financial disclosure statement he made and it is the same as the Selective Service Registration SS#.
Do you have any more excuses you want eliminated?
 
Well then I guess that is his social security number then and if he applied for Selective Service Registration and his financial disclosure then it would have to be acceptable I would think then.
 
FrancSevin said:
"was born in Hawaii and believe his birth certificate is ligament and he is a citizen of the US and as such can and did run for president."

Actually Joec that is not enough. He must be a "naural born citizen" and that is quite different.

But, all atempts to have this little detail resolved have met with legal obstacles and such sidestepping rulings and declaring the litigant as having "no standing" on the issue being brought before the court. This should seem a simple matter.

But apparently, if you are the chosen one, it is not so "Simple" And since he has been certified by so many who should have vetted him but didn't, it is an embarrasing question. The answer to which many do not wish to chance.


The SCOTUS will never hear this case. Doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just means that they won't.
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Natural Born so what does that mean to you then? His mother and America citizen he is born in one of the states or possessions of the US. McCain was born in Panama as is considered a natural born citizen as he was born in a local hospital just off the US Naval base his father was station at. If I understand it a kid even of Mexican parents here illegally if born here is a natural born citizen.
 
joec said:
Natural Born so what does that mean to you then? His mother and America citizen he is born in one of the states or possessions of the US. McCain was born in Panama as is considered a natural born citizen as he was born in a local hospital just off the US Naval base his father was station at. If I understand it a kid even of Mexican parents here illegally if born here is a natural born citizen.
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It matters not a twit what it means to me sir. That would be an opinion. What matters is what it means to the law. And that sir is the question the court has avoided, at all costs, having to answer.

Why can they not resolve this? It would put half of the Birther's arguments asleep, or confirmed. Some would suggest such anigmatic arguments are just what Bari needs for smokescreens.

BTW, McCain was certified by the Senate as natural born. vetted, cleared and done. Wonder who demanded the test?
 
FrancSevin said:
It matters not a twit what it means to me sir. That would be an opinion. What matters is what it means to the law. And that sir is the question the court has avoided, at all costs, having to answer.

Why can they not resolve this? It would put half of the Birther's arguments asleep, or confirmed. Some would suggest such anigmatic arguments are just what Bari needs for smokescreens.

BTW, McCain was certified by the Senate as natural born. vetted, cleared and done. Wonder who demanded the test?
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I know McCain was as was others in our history as well. Now I have no idea why the SCOTUS takes only a few cases a year but the take less now than the did in previous times. I sure don't have the answer on this. I do know I don't buy the birther arguments especially at this point. Think about if they one their argument our president would be Joe Biden. :wink:
 
joec said:
Well then I guess that is his social security number then and if he applied for Selective Service Registration and his financial disclosure then it would have to be acceptable I would think then.
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How naive can a person be.? Obama uses a SS# that the Social Security Administration did not issue to him.
Fact: Only the Social Security Administration can issue SS#'s
Fact: The Social Security # Obama is using WAS NOT ISSUED to him by the SSA.
Fact: If you use a SS# that has not been issued by the SSA to you then you obtained it illegally and are using it illegally.

A person would have to be naive and gullible to accept the lies and fraudulent documents being put forth by Obama. And then to ridicule people who are asking legitimate questions is doublely naive and gullible.
 
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jollyroger88805 said:
How naive can a person be.? Obama uses a SS# that the Social Security Administration did not issue to him.
Fact: Only the Social Security Administration can issue SS#'s
Fact: The Social Security # Obama is using WAS NOT ISSUED to him by the SSA.
Fact: If you use a SS# that has not been issued by the SSA to you then you obtained it illegally and are using it illegally.

A person would have to be naive and gullible to accept the lies and fraudulent documents being put forth by Obama. And then to ridicule people who are asking legitimate questions is doublely naive and gullible.
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So now I'm naive and gullible and accept fraudulent documents? Ok have it your way then and go back to beating a dead horse then. Like it will solve what problems we face today? It seems to be working for him regardless of what any one thinks at this point since he has been in office now for 3 years.
 
joec said:
So now I'm naive and gullible and accept fraudulent documents? Ok have it your way then and go back to beating a dead horse then. Like it will solve what problems we face today? It seems to be working for him regardless of what any one thinks at this point since he has been in office now for 3 years.
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First of all I didn't call you naive and gullible. That would be a personal attack. I do not do that.
But now that you admitted that he is using a fradulent SS# and has presented fraudulent documents both of which are illegal that makes everything OK because he has gotten away with it for 3 years. That makes no sense. This man is supposed to be upholding ALL the laws of the land. Instead he violates them. And then people want to justify this behavior. It is just totally beyond belief. Now that you know he is breaking the law are you willing to become one of the millions of people who want him brought to justice for violating the law?
 
jollyroger88805 said:
First of all I didn't call you naive and gullible. That would be a personal attack. I do not do that.
But now that you admitted that he is using a fradulent SS# and has presented fraudulent documents both of which are illegal that makes everything OK because he has gotten away with it for 3 years. That makes no sense. This man is supposed to be upholding ALL the laws of the land. Instead he violates them. And then people want to justify this behavior. It is just totally beyond belief. Now that you know he is breaking the law are you willing to become one of the millions of people who want him brought to justice for violating the law?
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Now you are putting words into my fingers. I said the powers that be are accepting it so evidently those it matter to believe it to be ligament so why would I question it then.
 
joec said:
Well then I guess that is his social security number then and if he applied for Selective Service Registration and his financial disclosure then it would have to be acceptable I would think then.
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It is not acceptable or even legal for Obama to be using SS# 042684425. Those agentcies you mention do not verify SS#. That is not their duty. But the Social Security Administration does. Using a fraudulent SS# on official documents does not make it legal. But it appears you do not care if people break the law, especially Obama. Such blind obedience. Too bad it is for an illegal usurper and chump.
 
I gotta ask again. What source says Obama is using a fraudulent SSN?

And I'm gonna ask another one. What case in particular should the SCOTUS have heard on Obama's eligibility to be POTUS?
 
Interesting posts you're making jollyroger.
Have you made an introduction thread yet and told us more about yourself?
 
joec said:
Nope I sure don't care jolly. To bad you might have to deal with him another 4 years.
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Joec I had a feeling that you were just like Obama and all his Husseinite followers. They have no respect for the law. In fact I do not believe they have ever seen a law that they haven't broken for their selfish interests.

And I am not worried about the usurper and chump getting 4 more years. But you should be worried about whether he even is able to get on all the state ballots. But shoot all I need to hope for is that just 1 of the 50 (not 60 like Obama thinks) States keeps him off the ballot. That will make this house of cards crumble.
 
jpr62902 said:
I gotta ask again. What source says Obama is using a fraudulent SSN?

And I'm gonna ask another one. What case in particular should the SCOTUS have heard on Obama's eligibility to be POTUS?
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1st question - Social Security Adminisrtration says that the SS# 042-68-4425 Obama is using was never issued to him. That means he is using a fraudulent SS#.

2nd question - All that deal with Obama's Constitution eligibilty to hold the office of President.
 
jollyroger88805 said:
1st question - Social Security Adminisrtration says that the SS# 042-68-4425 Obama is using was never issued to him. That means he is using a fraudulent SS#.

2nd question - All that deal with Obama's Constitution eligibilty to hold the office of President.
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The SSA never said that. Try to back up what you aver, please.
 
jpr62902 said:
I gotta ask again. What source says Obama is using a fraudulent SSN?

And I'm gonna ask another one. What case in particular should the SCOTUS have heard on Obama's eligibility to be POTUS?
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Scotus will not hear a case that has not been appealed through the lower courts. That process normaly takes a bitof time. However, if the lower courts can avoid ruling, then there is not series of appeals and hence the SCOTUS will not be engaged to hear it.

That said,there are several but almost al revolve around the premise that his parentage was not American under the definition of Natural Born Citizen. That and his loss of US citizenship when his stepfather made him a citizen in Indonesia. A status he did not ever change back to USA.

Many nations recognize dual citizenship but the US does not. So while we have many various legal points here, we do not have a clear vision of where Bari stands in them. It could be settled in the courts but so far no one has had "standing" to bring a case successfuly thru a court process.

Just as the Constitutional legality of Obamacare has ventured thru the system to finaly be heard , expeditiously this session, so must the validity of President Bari Obama. If it is to ever be heard at all.


BTW,the source of the fraudelent SSN is his tax return and his Selective service appliction. As I understand it, the number was somehow not redacted when published. I'm sure Snopes will debunk it.

Bottom line here is that the question was raised by Hillary Clinton Presidential campaign and never pursued by the press or the secretary of State in any of the 57 states of the Republic.

My personal belief is that she has the goods on this. Hence her position of Secretary of State and likely succession to VP in 2013.
Biden will resign.
 
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jpr62902 said:
Lots of generalities, there, Franc. Some incorrect legal premises, too.
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It was a general response to the question. Sorry, but more specifics would require tedious time. You didn't ask for that.
And besides, I am not an attorney. Are you?

As to incorrect legal premises,,,,
Name them.:whistling:
 
jpr62902 said:
I gotta ask again. What source says Obama is using a fraudulent SSN?

And I'm gonna ask another one. What case in particular should the SCOTUS have heard on Obama's eligibility to be POTUS?
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FrancSevin said:
It was a general response to the question. Sorry, but more specifics would require tedious time. You didn't ask for that.
And besides, I am not an attorney. Are you?

As to incorrect legal premises,,,,
Name them.:whistling:
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I did ask for specifics, and yes I am.

Incorrect legal premises? Well, where did Papa Soetoro "make" BHO an Indonesian citizen?

US law does recognize dual citizenship. Because a person may be a citizen of another country by that sovereign's law, does not, in and of itself (we lawyers would say, "ipso facto") obviate that person's US citizenship.
 
jollyroger88805 said:
How naive can a person be.? Obama uses a SS# that the Social Security Administration did not issue to him.
Fact: Only the Social Security Administration can issue SS#'s
Fact: The Social Security # Obama is using WAS NOT ISSUED to him by the SSA.
Fact: If you use a SS# that has not been issued by the SSA to you then you obtained it illegally and are using it illegally.

A person would have to be naive and gullible to accept the lies and fraudulent documents being put forth by Obama. And then to ridicule people who are asking legitimate questions is doublely naive and gullible.
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A post as clear and thoughtful as this is welcomed. And like you, jollyroger, I am puzzled how reasonable people can parse the facts, pretend they are irrelevant and then vilify the messenger.

Welcome to FF.

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