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Israel is under attack, at WAR with Hamas after invasion

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Israel declared an all out “state of war” on Saturday after Palestinian terrorists reportedly fired thousands of rockets from inside Gaza and while dozens of highly armed terrorists infiltrated parts of Israel opening fire on innocent civilians.
The attacks were carried out by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist group that is funded in-part by Iran, during the holiday of Simchat Torah and on Shabbat — the Jewish day of rest that is observed by many in Israel.
Terrorist Mohammad Deif, Hamas’s military chief, said that his militants fired 5,000 rockets into Israel as part of “Operation Al-Aqsa Storm.” He called for surrounding Islamic nations to join the Palestinian terrorists in their attacks on Israel.
Israel Defense Forces released a map only a few hours into the attack that showed all the places where rockets from the attack had landed. The IDF suggested that the number of rockets fired into Israel was approximately 2,500.
 

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From the Times of Israel reporting on the war. Full story is constantly being updated at the link.
Reports are that citizens are being kidnapped and dragged into Gaza by Hamas to be used as hostages.
I suspect that the I.D.F. will mobilize a ground invasion into Gaza.​
Currently all response from Israel is by air strike.



PM: Israel at war; 40 killed; Hamas claims it has taken hostages to Gaza in huge attack

Hundreds wounded in unprecedented infiltration from Gaza, rocket attacks; many gunmen attacking homes in south; thousands of projectiles fired at south, central Israel; reservists called up

By ToI StaffToday, 7:19 am
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Live NowUpdated 2min ago
  • US defense chief: 'We'll ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself, protect civilians from terror'
  • 9 hours since start of Hamas assault, terrorists still in a number of Israeli communities
  • IDF says it carried out drone strike on Hamas cell near Gaza border crossing
  • Saudi Arabia calls for 'halt to escalation between the two sides' amid deadly Hamas assault
  • Palestinians drive a captured Israeli military vehicle in Gaza City on Oct. 7, 2023 (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)
    Palestinians drive a captured Israeli military vehicle in Gaza City on Oct. 7, 2023 (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)
  • The Times of Israel is liveblogging Saturday’s events as they unfold.

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin arrives for talks with Estonia's prime minister in Tallinn, Estonia, on February 16, 2023. (RAIGO PAJULA / AFP)
US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin arrives for talks with Estonia's prime minister in Tallinn, Estonia, on February 16, 2023. (RAIGO PAJULA / AFP)
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says the Pentagon will work in the coming days “to ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself and protect civilians from indiscriminate violence and terrorism.”
“Our commitment to Israel’s right to defend itself remains unwavering, and I extend my condolences to the families of those who lost their lives in this abhorrent attack on civilians,” Austin says in a statement.
 

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Apparently GAZA will be forcefully "cleansed' by the Israeli Defense Forces.

Hezbollah, which has forcefully taken over Lebanon, which previously used to co-exist peacefully with Muslims and Christians in their nation, has now been overrun with terrorists, potentially could open a Northern Front of operations against the Israeli state. With Hamas on the South and the threat of Hezbollah on the North, Israel faces a 2 front war. Unlikely attacks will come out of the Kingdom of Jordon to the East. But Iran, openly a hostile state to Israel, will not hesitate to fly over and attack Israel if links are proven to their funding of terrorism that is attacking Israel and Israel will immediately strike Iran if it feels a nuclear threat from Iran,

Powder keg that could begin WW3.


Full story and video here --> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...nian-militants-launch-unprecedented-incursion


Netanyahu Tells Gaza Residents To Clear Out, Says IDF "Will Use All Its Strength" To "Destroy" Hamas

Update (1835ET): Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned residents of Gaza to "leave now, because we will operate forcefully everywhere."
Hamas wants to murder us all. This is an enemy that murders children and mothers in their homes, in their beds, an enemy that abducts the elderly, children and young women, that slaughters and massacres our citizens, including children, who simply went out to enjoy the holiday.
What happened today is unprecedented in Israel – and I will see to it that it does not happen again. The entire government is behind this decision.
The IDF will immediately use all its strength to destroy Hamas's capabilities. We will destroy them and will forcefully avenge this dark day that they have forced on Israel and its citizens. As Bialik wrote: 'Revenge for the blood of a little child has yet been devised by Satan'.​
All of the places which Hamas is deployed, hiding and operating in, that wicked city, we will turn them into rubble.​
I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere.
 
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Israel has been at war with Hamas yet treated their border with Gaza like we treat our border with Mexico. Allowing a party right on the border where the wall is little more than a chain link fence? Ignoring the 50th Anniversary of the Yom Kippur War, when anyone with any kind of military background knows full well Muzloids love to celebrate their military losses, for some reason only those fuck ups can explain.

Hamas has just effectively committed suicide. The question will be how long before Potato Head gets us involved. As I understand it, the Ford Carrier Strike Group is already steaming to the Eastern Med, a place I know well during the PLO crisis of 1970.
 

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Hamas is supported by Iran. Hamas is supported by NATO member Turkey. Hamas is supported, in many minor ways, by most of the Arab states.

Notable exception is Egypt, which is not Arabian and generally has good, if someone tense, relations with Israel. Egypt has constrained many illicit supply lines into Gaza, helping to keep some level of peace, but as Gaza is also open to the sea, there are some areas where illicit supply lines are easy to circumvent.

House minority leader Hakim Jeffereis, an avowed socialist, has come out to issue total and unwavering support for Israel, even in opposition to his own "squad" members who have outspoken support for Palestine.
 

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Yup

American's armed Afghanistan, and basically the Taliban. Of course Taliban will fund other terrorist groups.

And several sources are now reporting that the Obama/Biden administrations basically funded Hamas and this attack. Both Obama and Biden actually enemies of the US people/citizens. Both Biden/Obama favor Iran and Palestine over Israel or over America.
 

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Israel is now fighting a 2 front war.

On the south, Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has cut off WATER, FOOD, POWER and SUPPLIES going into Gaza and is bombing them.

On the north, a front has opened up after an incursion by Hezbollah from Lebanon. I.D.F. forces have retaliated in southern Lebanon with helicopters and claim to have killed the Hezbollah members. Expect the Lebanese to retaliate.
 

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2200+ Rockets fired from Gaza into southern Israel
Paragliders and motorized ultra light aircraft
Land invasion by thousands of Hamas soldiers

This is war for Israel. Not an action, it is an invasion, well organized and planned.

Link to Twitter/X report

In the context of the enduring Palestinian-Israeli conflict, a tumultuous struggle spanning millennia, long before even the rise of the Roman Empire, I feel compelled to express my perspective on this deeply rooted issue. My aim here is not to advocate for specific actions, but rather to convey my position in the hope of fostering understanding and meaningful dialogue, despite the historical complexities that have defined this region for over ten thousand years.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict, with its roots stretching back to the dawn of recorded history, is steeped in an ancient tapestry of grievances, political tensions, religious disputes, and territorial claims. For over ten millennia, the peoples of this region have witnessed the rise and fall of empires, the ebb and flow of cultures, and the shifting sands of power. This enduring conflict is a testament to the indomitable human spirit and the resilient nature of the human experience.

Throughout this long history, there have been moments when the prospect of peaceful coexistence appeared elusive, and yet, it is crucial to recognize that during this extended time frame, there have also been instances of harmony and cooperation among the diverse communities in the region. The conflicts that have marred this land are by no means inevitable or insurmountable.

The recent intensification of violence in the context of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict once again underscores the profound human toll exacted by this ongoing struggle. Innocent civilians, including children and women, bear the heaviest burdens. Families are torn apart, lives are shattered, and futures denied. The pain and suffering endured by individuals and communities transcend national borders and beliefs.

In this ongoing battle, no one emerges as a true victor. The violence perpetuates a cycle of suffering, and it is my position that a shift towards empathy, understanding, and compassion is essential, even in the face of the historical backdrop that has perpetuated this conflict.

As someone not directly involved or from the region, I am but a brother to all of humanity. I plead my case as such, rooted in the shared responsibility we hold toward one another, irrespective of our diverse backgrounds or beliefs. Instead of advocating for specific actions, I extend an invitation for open dialogue, understanding, and empathy. Through these means, we may begin to bridge the divides and collectively seek a just and lasting solution to this protracted conflict, with the hope that, even after ten thousand years of strife, peace is an attainable goal.
 

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1. It is stunning to me how little most people know about the treatment of the Palestinian people. Over 2 million people packed into 140 square miles in Gaza. They are very desperate but by allowing Hamas to ‘lead’ them, speak with bullets, they make a huge mistake.

2. What Hamas did is pure evil. Those responsible deserve whatever is coming for them. That does not justify atrocities against non-combatants. 50% of the Gaza population are kids. Remember that children are not valid targets.

3. If you are unaware of item 1 above then you probably think their hatred of Israel is based entirely on religious dogma. It's not. They are in an open-air prison with over 50% unemployment. They are destitute. But their Muslim brothers don’t want them anywhere else, and they are used as pawns by Iran.

4. Israel provides water, food and electricity to the Palestinians for the same reason Rikers Island does: control over the prison population. Don't take my word for it, look into it. It's awful. Calling it charity is a really twisted way of viewing things

5. I'm not going to pretend to know what the long term solution for peace is. After the attacks by Hamas, I fear their fates are sealed. The IDF is likely going to flatten Gaza killing an insane amount of innocent people and dispacing a million more. I have no clue where they will go.

6. I will never celebrate the death of innocents. To the people in the streets calling for “gassing Jews” or “bombing Gaza” or describing either side as sub-human, including millions of children: you're sick. You need help. You make me fear for humanity's future. Sincerely.

7. The IDF needs to answer for that security failure.

8. I have nothing but love for the Palestinian and Israeli people. For their governments, not so much, just total contempt. I understand both governments, and disagree with them.

9. Above all I am a non-interventionist. America cannot win a world war. No one can as it'll likely go nuclear. I pray it can be avoided. This can escalate out of control so insanely fast given that there are 4-5 potential fronts already on the table. It risks the end of all life on earth, no exaggeration. People are way too flippant about what's happening.

10. Iran uses Palestine as a proxy. Israel attacks Iran at will. The CIA attacks every one of their neighbors. Islam does have a problem with radicalism. That radicalism is also understandable given what has been done to them. My belief is that the US needs to STOP intervening and let them all sort it out. Israel also has a problem with a supremacy worldview paired with a martyrdom complex. That complex is also understandable given what they've had to live thru.

In short, everyone has some valid justifications for their actions. Also, everyone involved has committed heinous acts. It requires our better nature to shine thru if there is to ever be a lasting peace. Forgiveness is probably not on the table but dear god do we need to seek it.

Peace and non-intervention (US should not send troops) and if you're religious: prayer.
 

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I'd suggest you use Word to count the length, then cut it in half - if you want to convey a point anyone will read/absorb.

#1 - the Jews inhabited those area centuries before Mohamed was born, much less when he "created" Islam.
the theory that Israel is "occupying" Arab lands is total bunko - there's history - and there's liars' history.

#2 - anti-Israel forces have been attacking Israel for decades to centuries - depends on your definition of 'attacking'

there is now not really any permanent solution but absolute brutal force to eliminate the forces who will not live in peace.
ask Jimmy Carter - and the Camp David Accords. _NOTHING_ has worked or stuck. it is time to simply eliminate those who refuse to live in a world peacefully with others.

Hamas made a bold move. they are now getting their axxes kicked - and suddenly want to talk peace/cease fire/ whatever.
which - historically - is their tactic to regroup, reorganize and rearm, so they can 'play it again Sam' next year.
Hopefully Israel will level the entire Gaza strip to rubble, use a whole bunch of bulldozers to push the rubble into the Mediterranean, put watch towers on the barren land and shot anything there that moves.

it is way past time for a "Final Solution"
 

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pResident Potato Head said today the major difference between the USA and Israel is Israel kills civilians and we do not. I guess Joementia forgot the family of 8 he killed with a Hellfire missile in his moronic phony retaliation for the killing of 13 US servicemen.

One more difference between Israel and the USA. Israel wins it's wars, we do not. We run away leaving 80 billion in arms behind.

Israel will not lose this war. Their vengeance upon Gaza will be crazy Old Testament shit that the world has not seen in some time.

Confederate General Robert E. Lee once said it is a good thing that war is hell, lest we learn to like it.
 

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Gee wouldn't it be a perfect time for the Dome of the Rock mosque to accidentally get blown to hell.
 

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I fear World War 3 is coming. This would be a good time for military age Democrat men to check out the male tampon section of their local CVS.
Don't forget the mouthy Democrat wimin-folk who claim that guns have more rights than they do.
And the beta males with Che t-shirts or man buns, and the ones confused about which bathroom to use.
 

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That is actually a religious site for Christianity, Judaism and Muslims. That would really piss off a whole lot of people if that happened.
Historical records that document human activity in the region now known as Israel date back thousands of years. Some of the earliest records and archaeological findings include:

Ancient Civilizations: The region was home to several ancient civilizations, including the Canaanites, who are mentioned in ancient Egyptian records dating back to the 18th century BCE. The Canaanites are considered one of the earliest known indigenous peoples of the area.

Biblical Accounts: The Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament, contains many historical and religious accounts of events in the region. While these texts are often seen as religious narratives, they do provide insights into the history of the area and its inhabitants, including the Israelites and various other groups.

Egyptian Records: Egyptian inscriptions and records, such as the Merneptah Stele (1207 BCE), mention a group called "Israel" in the context of the late Bronze Age, which is one of the earliest known references to the people of Israel.

Assyrian and Babylonian Records: Inscriptions from the Assyrian and Babylonian empires also reference events and peoples in the region. The Assyrian conquest of the Kingdom of Israel in 722 BCE and the Babylonian exile of the Judeans in 586 BCE are important historical events documented in these records.

Greek and Roman Periods: The region was under the control of various Hellenistic kingdoms and, later, the Roman Empire. Numerous records and archaeological findings from this period provide insights into the inhabitants and events of the time.

Byzantine and Islamic Periods: The Byzantine Empire and the early Islamic Caliphates left numerous records and structures in the region, including churches, mosques, and administrative documents.

Archaeological excavations in the area have uncovered a wealth of artifacts, inscriptions, and structures that further illuminate the history of the region. These records and findings, along with historical accounts from neighboring civilizations, allow historians to trace the presence of humans in the area now known as Israel for thousands of years.

It's important to note that the historical record is complex and often subject to interpretation and debate, especially when dealing with ancient history. The study of this region's history is ongoing, and new discoveries continue to shed light on its ancient past.

The Quran does mention some key figures and events from the region as well, including:

Prophets: The Quran mentions several prophets who are also recognized in the Judeo-Christian tradition, such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others. These prophets are considered important figures in both Islamic and Judeo-Christian traditions.

Moses (Musa): The Quran includes narratives about the life of the Prophet Moses (Musa), his mission to Pharaoh, and the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt.

Solomon (Sulaiman): The Quran mentions Solomon (Sulaiman) as a wise and just king who had control over various lands and beings, including jinn and animals.

Jerusalem: The Quran refers to Jerusalem (known as "Al-Quds" in Arabic) as a holy city and the location of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is considered one of the holiest sites in Islam.

While the Quran provides religious and moral guidance, it does not serve as a very comprehensive historical record or geographical guide to the ancient events and inhabitants of the region. For detailed historical and archaeological information about the region, scholars and historians often turn to various other sources, including ancient texts, inscriptions, and archaeological discoveries.

It's worth noting that the Quran, like other religious texts, has been interpreted and commented upon over the centuries, and various Islamic traditions and commentaries have developed to provide context and understanding of its teachings.

Archaeological studies in the region now known as Israel and Jerusalem have played a crucial role in understanding the historical development and the ancient connections to the area. Several key archaeological studies and discoveries have contributed to our understanding of the region:

City of David (Jerusalem): The City of David, an archaeological site just outside the Old City of Jerusalem, has been a focal point for excavations. Numerous discoveries there have provided insights into the early history of Jerusalem, including its Canaanite and Israelite periods.

Megiddo (Armageddon): The ancient city of Megiddo, often associated with the biblical site of Armageddon, has been extensively excavated. It has revealed layers of history spanning thousands of years, offering insights into the region's military and cultural history.

Tel Hazor: Hazor is an important archaeological site in northern Israel. Excavations at Hazor have provided evidence of the Canaanite and Israelite periods, including a large and well-preserved Canaanite city and fortifications.

Masada: The archaeological site of Masada, located on a plateau near the Dead Sea, is famous for its connection to the Jewish Revolt against Roman rule. Excavations at Masada have uncovered structures, artifacts, and evidence of the siege by the Roman legions.

Qumran: The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the vicinity of Qumran has been a significant archaeological find. These ancient texts provide insights into Jewish life and religious beliefs during the Second Temple period.

Tel Megiddo: Megiddo, often identified with the biblical Armageddon, has been a key site for understanding the history of the region, particularly in terms of its strategic importance and as a crossroads of trade and culture.

These archaeological studies have contributed to the understanding of the historical and cultural richness of the region. They have provided evidence of the various civilizations and peoples who inhabited the area, including Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and others. These findings have helped piece together a more comprehensive history of the region, including the development of Jerusalem as an important center of religious and political significance.
 

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Historical records that document human activity in the region now known as Israel date back thousands of years. Some of the earliest records and archaeological findings include:

Ancient Civilizations: The region was home to several ancient civilizations, including the Canaanites, who are mentioned in ancient Egyptian records dating back to the 18th century BCE. The Canaanites are considered one of the earliest known indigenous peoples of the area.

Biblical Accounts: The Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament, contains many historical and religious accounts of events in the region. While these texts are often seen as religious narratives, they do provide insights into the history of the area and its inhabitants, including the Israelites and various other groups.

Egyptian Records: Egyptian inscriptions and records, such as the Merneptah Stele (1207 BCE), mention a group called "Israel" in the context of the late Bronze Age, which is one of the earliest known references to the people of Israel.

Assyrian and Babylonian Records: Inscriptions from the Assyrian and Babylonian empires also reference events and peoples in the region. The Assyrian conquest of the Kingdom of Israel in 722 BCE and the Babylonian exile of the Judeans in 586 BCE are important historical events documented in these records.

Greek and Roman Periods: The region was under the control of various Hellenistic kingdoms and, later, the Roman Empire. Numerous records and archaeological findings from this period provide insights into the inhabitants and events of the time.

Byzantine and Islamic Periods: The Byzantine Empire and the early Islamic Caliphates left numerous records and structures in the region, including churches, mosques, and administrative documents.

Archaeological excavations in the area have uncovered a wealth of artifacts, inscriptions, and structures that further illuminate the history of the region. These records and findings, along with historical accounts from neighboring civilizations, allow historians to trace the presence of humans in the area now known as Israel for thousands of years.

It's important to note that the historical record is complex and often subject to interpretation and debate, especially when dealing with ancient history. The study of this region's history is ongoing, and new discoveries continue to shed light on its ancient past.

The Quran does mention some key figures and events from the region as well, including:

Prophets: The Quran mentions several prophets who are also recognized in the Judeo-Christian tradition, such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others. These prophets are considered important figures in both Islamic and Judeo-Christian traditions.

Moses (Musa): The Quran includes narratives about the life of the Prophet Moses (Musa), his mission to Pharaoh, and the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt.

Solomon (Sulaiman): The Quran mentions Solomon (Sulaiman) as a wise and just king who had control over various lands and beings, including jinn and animals.

Jerusalem: The Quran refers to Jerusalem (known as "Al-Quds" in Arabic) as a holy city and the location of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is considered one of the holiest sites in Islam.

While the Quran provides religious and moral guidance, it does not serve as a very comprehensive historical record or geographical guide to the ancient events and inhabitants of the region. For detailed historical and archaeological information about the region, scholars and historians often turn to various other sources, including ancient texts, inscriptions, and archaeological discoveries.

It's worth noting that the Quran, like other religious texts, has been interpreted and commented upon over the centuries, and various Islamic traditions and commentaries have developed to provide context and understanding of its teachings.

Archaeological studies in the region now known as Israel and Jerusalem have played a crucial role in understanding the historical development and the ancient connections to the area. Several key archaeological studies and discoveries have contributed to our understanding of the region:

City of David (Jerusalem): The City of David, an archaeological site just outside the Old City of Jerusalem, has been a focal point for excavations. Numerous discoveries there have provided insights into the early history of Jerusalem, including its Canaanite and Israelite periods.

Megiddo (Armageddon): The ancient city of Megiddo, often associated with the biblical site of Armageddon, has been extensively excavated. It has revealed layers of history spanning thousands of years, offering insights into the region's military and cultural history.

Tel Hazor: Hazor is an important archaeological site in northern Israel. Excavations at Hazor have provided evidence of the Canaanite and Israelite periods, including a large and well-preserved Canaanite city and fortifications.

Masada: The archaeological site of Masada, located on a plateau near the Dead Sea, is famous for its connection to the Jewish Revolt against Roman rule. Excavations at Masada have uncovered structures, artifacts, and evidence of the siege by the Roman legions.

Qumran: The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the vicinity of Qumran has been a significant archaeological find. These ancient texts provide insights into Jewish life and religious beliefs during the Second Temple period.

Tel Megiddo: Megiddo, often identified with the biblical Armageddon, has been a key site for understanding the history of the region, particularly in terms of its strategic importance and as a crossroads of trade and culture.

These archaeological studies have contributed to the understanding of the historical and cultural richness of the region. They have provided evidence of the various civilizations and peoples who inhabited the area, including Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and others. These findings have helped piece together a more comprehensive history of the region, including the development of Jerusalem as an important center of religious and political significance.
Pretty much what I said in one sentence.
Jewish/Hebrew have been at the Temple Mound for at least 4000 years, very possibly much longer.
Christians 2000 years and evolved from the Jewish/Hebrew period.
Muslims for about 1400 years.

Among others, you list Greek/Roman periods (those overlap with Jewish/Christian periods. The Byzantine period and the Quran (Muslim) both are part of a Christian period. The Egyptian, Assyrian and Babylonian, etc periods are portions of the Jewish period.
 

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Israeli media is reporting that a unity government agreement has been reached Wednesday.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition has reportedly reached an agreement with main opposition leaders, former Prime Minister Yair Lapid and former Defense Minister Benny Gantz, to form an emergency unity government following Saturday's surprise attack by Hamas. An agreement was reached in principle Tuesday, according to Reuters.

Netanyahu and Gantz were reportedly meeting Wednesday to finalize the details, the Times of Israel reported.
 

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Israeli media is reporting that a unity government agreement has been reached Wednesday.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition has reportedly reached an agreement with main opposition leaders, former Prime Minister Yair Lapid and former Defense Minister Benny Gantz, to form an emergency unity government following Saturday's surprise attack by Hamas. An agreement was reached in principle Tuesday, according to Reuters.

Netanyahu and Gantz were reportedly meeting Wednesday to finalize the details, the Times of Israel reported.
Well, at least it shows unity within the israeli cabinet but it des not address the agreement needed between the two individual entities in conflict. Reaching an agreement within your own government is all fine and dandy but the real reach should be out toward those you are fighting and try to come to an understanding that will stop the fighting. Creating a war cabinet is what governments do when threatened and it serves no value for peace in my humble opinion.
 

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. . . but the real reach should be out toward those you are fighting and try to come to an understanding that will stop the fighting. . .
Hamas has the stated purpose of killing all Jews and elimination of the Israeli state.
Hamas had steadfastly refused to compromise on their stated purpose.

Palestinians in Gaza actually have multiple political parties, but Hamas is the strongest, most militant, and has a military wing of the party. Supporting Hamas effectively seems to be something like signing a suicide pact.


Hezbollah, based in Lebanon to the north of Israel, has a similar position toward Jews/Israel. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are proxy fighters for and funded by Iran, which has an avowed intolerance of Jews and Israel.
 

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One of the few times in my life when I agree with Bernie Sanders...




Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday criticized Israeli forces for cutting off electricity, food, fuel and water to the more than 2 million residents of Gaza, calling it a “serious violation of international law” that will cause hundreds of thousands of children to suffer.
“The targeting of civilians is a war crime, no matter who does it. Israel’s blanket denial of food, water, and other necessities to Gaza is a serious violation of international law and will do nothing but harm innocent civilians,” said Sanders, a leading progressive voice in Congress and former presidential candidate, in a statement.
Sanders praised the United States for “rightly” offering support to Israel in responding to the attacks by Hamas militants that have killed more than 1,000 people in Israel, but he insisted Israeli defense forces should not retaliate against civilians in Gaza.
“We must also insist on restraint from Israeli forces attacking Gaza and work to secure U.N. humanitarian access. Let us not forget that half of the two million people in Gaza are children. Children and innocent people do not deserve to be punished for the acts of Hamas,” he said. . . .
 

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every couple years the Middle East blows up. for the last 70+ years.
now, if they'd keep it to themselves, who'd care?

but every blow up impacts trade, oil, shipping, etc etc etc - essential major parts of the whole world and the world economy.

as for not forgetting two million children in Gaza, perhaps Hamas should have thought about them?
did Hamas think Israel would just lodge a complaint with the UN?

as gruesome as it sounds, it's really time to let them duke it out - and the last one standing wins.
and lest anyone forget - there is no such thing as a kind and pretty war... when nations refuse to live peacefully within the world community, it's going to come to war - and a war should get things settled, not just kick the cluster bombs down the road.
 

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Pretty sure that the Palestinians, by electing/allowing Hamas to govern them, without any hope of compromise short of death to all Jews, is a death sentence for the Palestinians and a lot of Jews.
 

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That is actually a religious site for Christianity, Judaism and Muslims. That would really piss off a whole lot of people if that happened.
After the temple mount is rebuilt on that spot, the Christians and Jews won't be mad anymore.
 
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