Isn't now the time for US to stop supporting Ukraine to end the conflict?

[Melensdad]

The "Second most powerful army in the world" seems to have it's hands full since 2022 , they are in no position to take on more at the moment. Putin's planned three day operation has turned into a nightmare for him ,the best scenario, keep the arms flowing and let them get ground down in Ukraine .
We are no doubt headed into a turbulent times , a cycle the world has been through before . So buckle up and keep your hair on ....if I had any.....

WHY do we need to ground him down?

Under Trump he was a trading partner and diplomatically we were in cooperative terms, not necessarily reliable but generally cooperative. How about we just return to that? What is the point of grinding him down? Does that help us? Or does that just enrich the corruption class policy makers who are making money off the war?

 

[J5 Bombardier]

WHY do we need to ground him down?

Under Trump he was a trading partner and diplomatically we were in cooperative terms, not necessarily reliable but generally cooperative. How about we just return to that? What is the point of grinding him down? Does that help us? Or does that just enrich the corruption class policy makers who are making money off the war?

World order , allowing Putin to have his way with Ukraine , will only embolden him for future conquests down the road and other countries (china) , which will be more costly to the West ( united States) in money and men.
Back the way it was , what Russia has done to Ukraine, the damage will be generational, hundreds of thousands of war crimes will have to be addressed in the Haig . Rebuilding Ukraine hopefully in the long term with seized Russian assets .

 

[Melensdad]

He didn't worry about having his way until we got involved and screwed up the 'world order'

So why don't we work toward a solution that takes us back to not messing about in the affairs of others??? Why always push for war when we all lose in wars?

 

[J5 Bombardier]

He didn't worry about having his way until we got involved and screwed up the 'world order'

So why don't we work toward a solution that takes us back to not messing about in the affairs of others??? Why always push for war when we all lose in wars?

This is not the backwater of Africa or the Middle East , it's Europe. Russian aspirations for the lands they consider that in their warped view are historically Russia's have no bounds, they even want Alaska back.
So when appeasement doesn't work your left with other option , which nobody wants , but unfortunately is necessary .

 

[Melensdad]

It is not Neville Chamberlin appeasement to stay out of the conflicts of nations for which we have no treaty and no military alliance. It is actually interference to get involved.

 

[J5 Bombardier]

It's called having a Moral Compass , people and nations that act beyond their own self interest.

 

[Melensdad]

So we are acting in a way that literally got a million people (Ukrainians and Russians) killed and that is the moral choice?

Whereas, had we not mucked it up by using protagonist policies in the first place, no war would have started.

We will have to, at this juncture, agree to disagree in the most respectful way.

 

[J5 Bombardier]

So we are acting in a way that literally got a million people (Ukrainians and Russians) killed and that is the moral choice?

Whereas, had we not mucked it up by using protagonist policies in the first place, no war would have started.

We will have to, at this juncture, agree to disagree in the most respectful way.

The right choice should of been that the Russians stayed home .
Totally respectful regardless of any disagreement.

 

[m1west]

The "Second most powerful army in the world" seems to have it's hands full since 2022 , they are in no position to take on more at the moment. Putin's planned three day operation has turned into a nightmare for him ,the best scenario, keep the arms flowing and let them get ground down in Ukraine .
We are no doubt headed into a turbulent times , a cycle the world has been through before . So buckle up and keep your hair on ....if I had any.....

If it comes out of Ukraine it won't be just Russia we have to deal with, we are a NATO country but The axis powers have a version of Nato themselves, A hot WW3 would involve China, Iran, N Korea and maybe Pakistan or India and others. We are broke and our military is woke. Now we are 100 billion in the hole, and the only Salvation is WW3, what great choices.

 

[J5 Bombardier]

If it comes out of Ukraine it won't be just Russia we have to deal with, we are a NATO country but The axis powers have a version of Nato themselves, A hot WW3 would involve China, Iran, N Korea and maybe Pakistan or India and others. We are broke and our military is woke. Now we are 100 billion in the hole, and the only Salvation is WW3, what great choices.

Lol , the doomsday clock remains at 90 seconds to midnight in 2024 , you better get that retirement going .

 

[m1west]

Lol , the doomsday clock remains at 90 seconds to midnight in 2024 , you better get that retirement going .

Got the retirement clock ticking as we speak, would like to get the off grid cabin done before WW3 starts so I have somewhere to hide.

 

[Ross 650]

Heck I have been retired and living in the woods since 2002. I cant even tell time any more and just dont care!!!!

 

[Melensdad]

So is a large amount of Europe now ready to stop supporting the endless Ukraine proxy war and push for a peace settlement? Looks like the voters are rising up against sending their tax money to the most corrupt nation on the planet to fund a war it is clearly losing. Better to form a peace agreement than to go bankrupt funding a foreign war.

Europe Votes Against the Ukraine War

In Sunday’s elections, the continent’s national-conservative parties took an important step forward, breaking out of their narrow focus on immigration.

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Europe Votes Against the Ukraine War​

In Sunday’s elections, the continent’s national-conservative parties took an important step forward, breaking out of their narrow focus on immigration.​

Foreign Affairs​

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Just before voters delivered a stunning rebuke to the parties of the Establishment in the June 9 European Parliament elections, internal pollsters for the Alternative für Deutschland (Alternative for Germany) reported that the Ukraine war was the top concern for German voters. Twenty-six percent of respondents said that “securing peace” was their number one concern, followed by social security (at 23 percent) and immigration at 17 percent, according to an AfD internal document.​

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Germany’s peace parties—the AfD and the left-wing Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance—won 16 percent and 6 percent of the vote respectively, while the governing Social Democrats polled just 14 percent, while the Greens—now the most vociferous supporter of the Ukraine War—fell to 12 percent from 20.5 percent in the 2019 elections.​

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France’s President Emmanuel Macron, the European leader most anxious to send troops to Ukraine, suffered a surprise humiliation. His party polled less than 15 percent of the vote, while the right-wing National Rally gained 31 percent. Unlike Germany, where the peace parties were the biggest winners, the French right has fudged its position on the Ukraine War. But the repudiation of Europe’s leader most willing to commit Western troops is a gauge of antiwar sentiment.​

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Sunday’s vote was a protest, but not yet a revolution. Western Europe’s national-conservative parties have broken out of the one-issue, anti-immigration mold, but they are not yet ready to govern their respective countries. In Eastern Europe, Hungary, Slovakia, and Serbia comprise an antiwar bloc, probably to be joined by the Czech Republic after the October 2025 elections.​

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Nonetheless, the political earthquake that shook Europe on Sunday could have far-reaching consequences before the end of this year. . . .
STORY CONTINUES AT THE LINK ABOVE​

 

[J5 Bombardier]

Lol , not a foreign war , a European War.

 

[Gunsrus]

Ukraine can not win.

The best they can do, with our weapons and money, is to hold their ground.

35-ish million people live in Ukraine, 1/2 of those are women. Many of the males are too young, others too old. Russia has 150 million people. The numbers simply don't work out for Ukraine to do anything more than hold their ground.

Putin offered up the desire to negotiate for peace, of course he said he's keeping what he took. The UK, 2 years ago, scuttled peace talks. Now it's Biden's turn.

Biden has now authorized our weapons to be used on Russian soil. Several other NATO nations have done the same. So Ukraine, which can NOT win, is now attacking Russia on Russian soil, with our money and our weapons. This is a major escalation of the war.

Who here (or anywhere) actually wants WORLD WAR 3? We are running headlong into it.

Well, taking into account the way man has weakened since the first atom bomb was used, I don't believe we have to worry about WW3 - because we're not up to the challenge. With the power of the A-bomb, we don't need standing armies. We have more power than any of them put together. We can sack half the soldiers and keep the other half to maintain and defend the launchers, and you know what? That's a crying shame. We used to fight wars with people and win them. Now, humanity is too scared of nuclear power to send any troops to Ukraine. The threat posed by nuclear devestation has broken its spine.

Congratulations, America, look how reduced we are now because you used a weapon that solved all our problems, only by lifting a finger, not using manpower. You really f***ed us up. You also motivated one country to seize more power than any other, and now, they've got too much for anyone to oppose. Russia has the lion's share of the power and will not be hesitant to use it. You put us all in this position because of your s****y philosophy of a quick solution solves all. It doesn't it never did. Wake the f*** up and take heed of that!