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I can only imagine the pain!

muleman

Gone But Not Forgotten
Our nearest Amish neighbor's oldest daughter suffered severe burns after falling into the huge 120 gallon kettle they use to boil water for washing and cleaning. She was painting the wash house and somehow ended up in the kettle with scald burns up to her breasts. The water was easily 200 degrees when it happened. She was always the nicest of the girls and loved to come and help the wife plant potted flowers in the spring. She is on her way to Strong Hospital via helicopter right now. I happened to be coming back from getting some Kerosene when the ambulance passed me. For anyone who thinks I have been enduring some pain I would swap places with this 19 year old girl in a second. Went down and offered them a ride and found out the mother went along but I doubt they had room in the chopper. Dad was just pulling up and did not know which child it was till I told him. Please say a prayer for her. Bill
 
Oh, my. How terrible. Burns are the worst nightmares of pain. Hopefully the burns are only 2nd degree and disfigurement is limited. Oh, my. She is in our prayers.
 
60% of the body,,,gruesome. :ermm:

Strong Memorial in Rochester NY?

They have an excellent burn unit.

Prayers sent.
 
60% of the body,,,gruesome. :ermm:

Strong Memorial in Rochester NY?

They have an excellent burn unit.

Prayers sent.
Yep! She needs their experts bad with that much injured area. Same place I have been going for cancer services. Around here if it is bad that is where you end up at. They are a highly esteemed teaching hospital and their children's unit is world class as well. She faces a long recovery process I am sure.
 
So sorry to hear that. Poor thing. Burns are so very painful. She'll need a lot of rehab. She is in my prayers and thoughts.
 
Talked with one of the older boys this evening. No word yet on her condition. Will check in with the older sister tomorrow morning.
 
Muleman Please keep us up to date with her condition. I know that the Amish community is very tight knit but I would want them to know that the outsiders are also concerned and praying for her.
 
I will be going up there real shortly I hope. Waiting for the results of my bone marrow test last week. Will keep you posted as I get any news.
 
Guess I am going there now. Just got a call from one of the young ones to come down and give them a ride. Will update as I find out how she is doing.
 
WOW is all I can say. Turns out she was transported from the hospital to an Amish healer's clinic in Pa. right next to my old place before I moved here. I have known old John for about 6 years and his burn treatment regimen has been studied by Chester-Crozier burn center among others. The principle ingredient in his treatment is burdock leaves. Burdock is a leafy weed that has some qualities that have not been really pinpointed but it is known to work. She was taken there last night and the first round of treatment was applied then. When I took her sister and dad over they were just finishing the second round of treatment and she was awake, alert and pain free. She had no pain medicine since leaving the hospital last night. I had a chance to chat with her and her boyfriend who lives about 6 miles from there was also there with her. Amazing barely describes the condition she is in.
 
I have taken many Amish to old John over the years for various diseases and folks travel from all over the country for his services. Her mom and dad came back to their house with me and between me and a local farmer who has a rented place near there we will haul them back and forth. John lays down very strict diet and wound care rules but he has had remarkable success with minimal pain or scarring for burn victims. Her mom is studying with him as well as her older sister so they can continue her treatments at home in a few more days. I will add a bio on John for anyone interested. The real shame is he suffers from cancer himself and has had only minimal success trying to find a treatment for himself. There was a professor/doctor there trying to document all the info he can with his laptop so when John passes his son and others can continue in his place.
 
John W. Keim is a Amish alternative practitioner from Mills, Pennsylvania who developed a treatment for dressing burns wounds that keeps the bandaging from sticking to the wound when the dressing is changed. The treatment dresses the wound with B&W ointment and then puts scalded burdock leaves over the wound before wrapping the wound with gauze. This enables the wound be changed twice a day without the pain that is normally associated with gauze sticking to the wound.
The following is a chapter from John W. Keim’s book “Comfort for the Burned and Wounded” detailing how he discovered this treatment after changing a serious burn on his two year old child where the removal of the gauze caused his child great pain and crying.
I cried and praised the Lord when I read this chapter and I hope it is a blessing to you also.
This book is copyrighted but I consider the following excerpt from his book as part of a review of the book. The can purchase Comfort for the Burned and Wounded online for $11.95.
The Search for a Better Treatment

–John W. Keim
As a consequence of a sudden accident, boiling water had scalded the entire chest and abdominal area of our two-year-old son. When we removed his clothes, to our horror the skin slid off along with them. An area 2 inches in diameter under the navel was scalded to the third degree.
After we discussed all the possible treatments we could remember, we tried cold water first. Next a lard-and-flour mixture was tried. Union Salve was then applied, but because the child cried that the salve burned so much, we removed it. Finally, we applied a heavy coating of a mild herbal salve and gauze wraps for overnight.
In the morning the salve had melted and the gauze had glued itself to the skinless body parts. When we tried to remove the gauze, we discovered it had struck to every inch of the entire chest and abdomen.
We tried removing the affixed gauze one-sixteenth of an inch at a time and, later, one inch at a time. But either way caused pain and bleeding, and the child’s screams created a great deal of sweating for the caretakers. After half an hour of this unimaginable ordeal, I decided I could never again dress a burn victim in this manner.
Thoroughly perplexed, I told the others to make the boy as comfortable as they could while I made a trip to town with our horse and buggy. I planned to check the drugstores for better dressings, but after changing clothes and hitching up the horse, I really wondered what good would be accomplished by going to town.
For some time we had been receiving letters from relatives in another State about two of their children who had been badly burned in a flash fire. Their local hospital had transferred the children to a burn unit in a large hospital a long way from the parents. For three months we had been reading the pitiful stories of these children’s suffering.
I could not bear the thought of my own son’s screams and pleading that, we were told, were a daily part of these children’s dressing changes and cleaning.
(Later I read that nurses who care for patients in burn units take special training to enable them to go on with their duties regardless of the screams of their patients. Even experienced trauma nurses claim that changing dressing on child burn patients is the most heartrending work they do.)
Instead of leaving for town, I turned back toward the house, but I also wanted to be somewhere alone. I knew by staying around the house I could continually be distracted by the incoming public.
I left word at the house that I had changed plans, that instead of going to town, I was going into the woods to think and pray. I meantioned I did not want anyone to call or search for me for approximately one hour.
Leaving the horse hitched and tied to the rail, I left at a rapid pace, follwing the edge of the field leading toward the woods behind our home. The old wagon tracks on the way were by then pretty well covered with a variety of self-seeded weeds, but I paid no attention to any of my surroundings on this trek. My thoughts were heavily embedded on what I would do or find in the woods.
I thought of how God create the Earth. I honestely felt He kept the poor in mind while Earth was being created. If that were true, the people living on islands without hospitals and drugstores should also be able to find necessities for their needs. And since even such primitive people had fire, they also would have burns.
I tried to think of all the things a man might find on an island to help treat such burns. I thought of water, mud, rocks, bark, wood, leaves.
As leaves crossed my mind, I thought of the holly leaves I had seen in our school at Christmastide when the teacher brought a wreath to show us. The leaves were smooth and shiny. Surely they would not stick to an open wound. But, I thought, we do not have smooth, shiny leaves like those. At that very time I was walking through a heavy patch of plantain (sow-ear in Dutch) leaves. I had nearly passed through them when suddenly my subconscious realized they were similar to what I was looking for.
Using my hat as a gathering vessel, I filled it with fresh plantain leaves. Taking the leaves home, we applied B.F.C. Salve to the burn area and then covered it with a single layer of the fresh plantian leaves. We repeated this twice a day.
Within five days the entire scalded area was covered with new skin. This was even true for the sections scalded to a third-degree burn. The more remarkable, and satisfying to a father, consequence of this treatment was that it causes little or no pain to the patient in direct contrast to the accepted burn treatment of the day.
Along with the dressings we supplemented the diet with extra fresh fruits and vegetables. Depending on the availability of food suitable for juicing, time and help needed for extraction and financial means, a program was outlined to support my son’s body during the healing process.
In our many subsequent patients, it has seldom taken more than seven days to get complete new skin coverage on second and third-degree burns. This, of course, varies with the precentage of body parts injured and the previous health of the patient.
Amazingly, through over two decades of using these dressings we have never had an infection. We have seen only two cases of scarring, both of which were minimal, and we feel that in one of those cases the scarring might have been avoided if the parents had better understood the correct method of dressing.
 
Burdock Leaves – An Innovative Burn Treatment

–by a Burn Care Worker

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Burdock Plant

Who ever heard of treating burns with burdock? Mainstream medicine is certainly not promoting this treatment. But mainstream medicine is having a lot of trouble with treating burns. Deep burns often heal poorly. They struggle with infection especially in a hospital situation where we all know that germs abound.


Burn patients have lots of pain and anyone whose loved one has gone through treatment for serious burns knows that wound dressing changes usually necessitate morphine or stronger medicine for the patient to be able to stand the treatment.

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Burdock Flower

Burn care for 2nd and 3rd degree burns often costs the family lots of money and time in the hospital. Using burdock and B&W nearly always results in a greatly shortened healing time, no skin grafts and much less scarring.


Enter, the lowly burdock. This plant is actually a weed that most farmers despise and do all they can to get rid of, but it comes in handy for pain management and speeds healing time greatly. It eases dressing changes and seems to impede bacterial growth on the wound site and it also provides a great moisture barrier.

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Burdock Leaf

This, which by the way, is what burn units are looking for when they think of great burn care. And, it costs nothing if you harvest it yourself.


How in the world did anyone begin to use burdock in this way? John Keim, an Amish alternative practitioner, was in dire need for a remedy to treat the burns on his own son and he had gone to the woods to meditate and seek Divine guidance.
In due time, his attention was drawn to some nice, big plantain leaves right before him which he believed would serve as an ideal non-stick barrier between the salve he had applied to his son’s body and the gauze body wrap.
It worked, but later, it was discovered that burdock leaves are more effective, although plantain leaves are still used under certain circumstances.
As Keim used the plantain, grape and other leaves in his burn dressing, he kept experimenting. Burdock came to be the leaf of choice for the reasons I mentioned above. Another reason is the size and the availability of the burdock. Burdocks leaves get HUGE. A large leaf can cover a small child’s back in one application.
For a full account of how through seeking Divine guidance this treatment was discovered see this article on John Keim.
Study your plant. Learn where it grows. These plants grow at field and roadside edges and even cover fields at times, to their owners dismay. Harvest the leaves when they are larger than a man’s hand. I like them when they are a good bit larger than that.
Wait until the dew is dry in the morning and the sun is shining. Cut the leaves, making sure to use only good quality, clean ones. Bring them home and cut off the rib on the back. I have learned by trial and error to take a large scissors and cut the main rib off as close to the leaf as possible.
If you cut through the leaf, when it dries it splits wide open. You will learn by experimenting. Lay out the leaves to dry, in a warm, dark place. I lay mine all over a double bed in a room where no one sleeps at the moment. Lay them as flat as possible. It takes 4-7 days for the leaves to dry.
When the leaves are fully dry, (make sure they are or they will mold) place them carefully in a plastic tub with a tight lid, about shoe box size. You can use a cardboard shoe box if you wish. Store these until you need them and then rehydrate them using the following method.
Bring water to boil in a large kettle. When the water is boiling turn off the heat. Carefully lower the leaf into the water and let it hydrate. When it turns a nice green, dip it out gently and lay it flat on a sheet of paper towel or Chux pad. I like the green pads that folks use to protect the bed from getting wet.
Fold that pad in half and lay your hydrated leaves on this, side by side. I am speaking of how you would do if you had a large area to cover. Now, spread your B&W salve thickly over the burned area and place a wet leaf over the salve.
This leaf will help to keep in the moisture and fight bacteria and relieve pain. We like to put a sterile ABD pad over the leaf and then wrap the area with rolled gauze. The end result is a neat looking, padded bandage which really protects the burn.
For those of you, still in doubt, there are now, some hospitals in the USA that are allowing us to go into their hospital and dress burns for our people, if the patient needs extra care like IV’s to hydrate them. When you have a severe burn over a large area, you usually need some help to keep you patient from collapsing in shock.
Burns are a severe trauma to the body. But it is really interesting to note that these hospitals, though they do not use the treatment themselves, allow us to treat the patient and are impressed with what is happening.
We found that they were especially impressed with the fact that we could change the dressings without morphine or pain management. This is very important. Pain medication, though sometimes necessary, really slows the body’s ability to make new skin cells. That is why burdock and B&W salve are such a blessing. They make it possible to dress burns without much, or any pain medication.
The doctors and nurses were very interested with the salve and reported that their recent burn seminars on the West Coast had discussed the beneficial use of honey for burns. B&W has honey as one of its main ingredients.
When you study the burdock plant you will discover that it is a mild blood purifier and helps the liver rebuild and is useful in burns. No one says why it is useful in burns. I suspect that this same component that rebuilds cells in the liver, also stimulates cell growth in the wound area. This action would indeed reduce pain.
Whenever you feed and nourish the body you help to silence the pain signals. Pain is a signal that the body is in trouble. If the building blocks that the body needs are in place, the pain signals go away. We find this true whenever we have other wounds or broken bones. When we feed the body what it needs to rebuild the bones, the pain is gone! I have lots of interesting personal stories about this. So, I expect that the same thing occurs in the burn site.
Another interesting note, is that two of our hospitals have allowed caregivers to teach families how to dress other wounds with B&W and burdock. They have treated deep leg wounds and other deep cuts and brush burns with the same method and the same success.
When you go out today, look for burdock to bring home and dry. Do not put it off. Last spring I treated a 3rd degree hand burn without the burdock since it was March and there were none around. I was going to dry some for the next time I needed them, but I neglected to.
This March I had another burn, much deeper and larger to treat, and we had a hard time finding the burdock that we needed. Now I have taken the challenge and I am drying lots of burdock. Someday, someone may need it.
 
I remember when I was in Duke University Hospital after my tractor accident on my 12th birthday. I was in an intensive care children's unit and the girl in the next room was about 5 years old and had pulled a pot of boiling water off the stove onto herself. I can still hear her screams from the treatment give a couple of times a day. Being blind at the time and not being able to see her I can imagine based on what I overheard from the nurses and other hospital staff how bad she was scalded. We had the same plastic surgeon also, Nicholas Georgeade. Here is his obituary as he didn't charge us a dime. http://m.today.duke.edu/2001/05/georgiade511.html
 
Sounds like a great man Joe. One of the toughest jobs in the world is rebuilding damaged tissue from injuries.
 
Sounds like a great man Joe. One of the toughest jobs in the world is rebuilding damaged tissue from injuries.

In my case it was from my eye brows down to my lower jaw. Completely turned to powder from a farm tractor accident. As bad as I was there where kids worse off than me in the ward. I was blind for 18 months and learning Braille as they figured I would never see again. Woke up one morning and could see shadows later that night eye sight came back in the right eye though the left was gone and had been removed. I spent 2 years of my life in Duke as a patient having hundreds of operations over that period. Finally put an end to it after I got married. A lot of firsts done on me to say the least. I'm still here many of those kids aren't.
 
WOW is all I can say. Turns out she was transported from the hospital to an Amish healer's clinic in Pa. right next to my old place before I moved here. I have known old John for about 6 years and his burn treatment regimen has been studied by Chester-Crozier burn center among others. The principle ingredient in his treatment is burdock leaves. Burdock is a leafy weed that has some qualities that have not been really pinpointed but it is known to work. She was taken there last night and the first round of treatment was applied then. When I took her sister and dad over they were just finishing the second round of treatment and she was awake, alert and pain free. She had no pain medicine since leaving the hospital last night. I had a chance to chat with her and her boyfriend who lives about 6 miles from there was also there with her. Amazing barely describes the condition she is in.

Burdock was a nusance weed around the barnyard and chickenhouse

I would love to hear it has some useful applications.
 
One of my buddy's wife ..run's this company..she has done lots to help burn patients.. http://www.totalcontact.com/
I did a lot of 3D scanning and surface modeling back in the early 90's. We made injection molds from the digitized data after tweaking it on CAD. Then I setup and produced the multi-axis machining programs to cut the stainless and nickel molds. Technology has made some very useful things possible.
 
Wife went along to meet old John Keim tonight. She wants me to sit down with him and discuss a diet plan to help with the cell problems. He is a great guy and he asked me how I have been lately. I told him briefly what is going on and then he was off to change dressings. The wife went along and except for him bouncing in and out of dutch she enjoyed helping him. He told her he could tell she had experience with wounds and dressings. She wants to go back and learn his burn techniques. She will be busy with the young girl and out of my hair for a while.:whistling: They are talking about bringing her home if the wife is there to help change dressings. John will make that call tomorrow or Monday.
 
Well the young girl came back home with the wife and the others tonight. She went over early and ended up helping remove the previous dressing. That was the first she saw her injuries up close. Pretty bad but healing. She had to drive old John home and he gave her some salve for us and a bunch of supplies for the girl. She will not rest till i go chat with him about an herbal diet to help with the leukemia. Hard telling what I will be eating shortly.:w00t2:
 
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