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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry
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In my opinion it's hard to say. 2 days after I got my second shot two years ago 2 of my rights toes went numb and they've been that way ever since. I refused to take any shots after that.
I've complained about this to my doctor more that once and it still is not in my medical records. I wonder how many of these incidents, including deaths, are being covered up by doctors and hospitals.
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
My company made a ton of money packaging masks that the government mandated we wear to prevent the spread of COVID-19..
They came in bulk from China in a box with a disclaimer label that said, "These masks will not prevent the spread of COVID-19."
That's all anyone needs to know.
They came in bulk from China in a box with a disclaimer label that said, "These masks will not prevent the spread of COVID-19."
That's all anyone needs to know.
Cyber Geek
Member
Communication is awful between parts of the NHS. For one, my GP app does not work, I can’t view my medical records. How are we in 2023 without basic functionality that actually functions?
Secondly the doctor apparently had no evidence of an old friend’s cancer diagnosis when the needed to get a vaccine, although chemotherapy was done. Ridiculous, right?
I can look at my records on the internet. Nothing about my numbness concerns there and every time I brought it up, he changed the subject.
Cyber Geek
Member
Yeah I know most others don’t have this issue. But my surgery does. They did undergo a recent merge with another surgery practice so perhaps that is the reason. Not sure, only just signed up
chowderman
Well-known member
Cedars-Sinai isn't quite a conspiracy group, but their findings . . .
www.cedars-sinai.org
COVID-19 Surges Linked to Spike in Heart Attacks
New data analysis from the Smidt Heart Institute at Cedars-Sinai found that deaths from heart attacks rose significantly during pandemic surges, including the COVID-19 Omicron surges, overall reversing a heart-healthier pre-pandemic trend.Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, heart attacks were the...
Cyber Geek
Member
Probably because diagnosis of heart conditions were delayed due to beds being taken up by COVID patientsCedars-Sinai isn't quite a conspiracy group, but their findings . . .
COVID-19 Surges Linked to Spike in Heart Attacks
New data analysis from the Smidt Heart Institute at Cedars-Sinai found that deaths from heart attacks rose significantly during pandemic surges, including the COVID-19 Omicron surges, overall reversing a heart-healthier pre-pandemic trend.Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, heart attacks were the...
After all excess deaths was not all directly due to COVID, but also the surplus of patients with late diagnoses. Consider the current backlog in the UK, it’s bad enough without the ambulance and nurse strikes and all that!
chowderman
Well-known member
pssst: the symptom of a heart attack is a heart attack. not mystic 'conditions'
Cyber Geek
Member
I posted without reading the article,
My heart rate was up by 20+ bpm when I had COVID and for a month or so after that. Google it. It’s a common occurence. Noticeable when you try exercise vigorously for most
But I’m trying to say it’s likely more patients suffered from later stage cancers, strokes, heart attacks etc due to missed signs.So while poorer heart functioning can be attributed to COVID, it’s probable that many suffered due to an unprecendented backlog
Did you know that COVID can actually cause heart problems? Often it de-conditions those aerobically fit
My heart rate was up by 20+ bpm when I had COVID and for a month or so after that. Google it. It’s a common occurence. Noticeable when you try exercise vigorously for most
But I’m trying to say it’s likely more patients suffered from later stage cancers, strokes, heart attacks etc due to missed signs.So while poorer heart functioning can be attributed to COVID, it’s probable that many suffered due to an unprecendented backlog
chowderman
Well-known member
this is what you said:
"Probably because diagnosis of heart conditions were delayed due to beds being taken up by COVID patients"
it is an incorrect statement.
and "the damage done by vaccines" only shows up later, so the full bed theory doesn't work either.
"Probably because diagnosis of heart conditions were delayed due to beds being taken up by COVID patients"
it is an incorrect statement.
and "the damage done by vaccines" only shows up later, so the full bed theory doesn't work either.
Cyber Geek
Member
We aren’t talking about vaccine damage.
I’m referring to symptoms of covid vs other conditions the patient may have simply had but, due to hospital beds being filled up and staff sickness, missed their diagnosis appointment and found out too late, resulting in higher mortality rates
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
You're just speculating. It's not at all factual. Suppositions do not count as logical inputs to a conversation.
You are welcome to do so but understand, such speculation earns little respect when truth is preferred.
At best your suppositions count as anecdotal. Both medical and scientific communities tend not to, and should not, rely on anecdotal observations fas solid. foundations for making choices.
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chowderman
Well-known member
perhaps with the NHS in UK - not so in the developed world.
"heart conditions" are not "found" by putting people in the hospital.
they may be "found" at your doctor's office, they may be "found" in the ER, but no hospital puts patients into a bed to check for "heart conditions" without some validating clue.
not sure whether the USA VA or UK NHS holds the title to worst health available, at the moment.
Canada is holding up its end as well.
in the USA, at the pandemic peak one could not get a doctor's appointment for anything less than a full blown emergency.
I refute your theory that all diagnosis takes place only after being admitted to a hospital.
if you had sever covid symptoms, you were hospitalized - especially in the begininng when they had no idea how to treat anything.
the theory that since you had covid everything else was ignored is simply untrue.
during the pandemic panic, you could not get a dr's appointment, a dental appoint, a haircut, a bank appointment, an appointment with anything 'government' - they were all shut down.
'services' like MRI's etc were unavailable / postponed but not because hospital beds were full - the departments were shut down and the perfectly healthy staff sent home.
"heart conditions" are not "found" by putting people in the hospital.
they may be "found" at your doctor's office, they may be "found" in the ER, but no hospital puts patients into a bed to check for "heart conditions" without some validating clue.
not sure whether the USA VA or UK NHS holds the title to worst health available, at the moment.
Canada is holding up its end as well.
in the USA, at the pandemic peak one could not get a doctor's appointment for anything less than a full blown emergency.
I refute your theory that all diagnosis takes place only after being admitted to a hospital.
if you had sever covid symptoms, you were hospitalized - especially in the begininng when they had no idea how to treat anything.
the theory that since you had covid everything else was ignored is simply untrue.
during the pandemic panic, you could not get a dr's appointment, a dental appoint, a haircut, a bank appointment, an appointment with anything 'government' - they were all shut down.
'services' like MRI's etc were unavailable / postponed but not because hospital beds were full - the departments were shut down and the perfectly healthy staff sent home.
Cyber Geek
Member
Yeah I am analysing, it’s subjective and not factual.
Once again, causation != correlation
Since when has scientific research established causation?? There are always third party factors unaccounted for. How would you know that processed foods cause obesity and it’s not just the case that people who generally eat processed foods also have other unhealthy habits such as lack of exercise, which is the actual cause of obesity? Just drawing an analogy here
PS: My friend calls me the analyser
UberBastid
Well-known member
Which was exactly the intent of both the ccp and dnc.
Not very efficient this time - they'll do better next time.
chowderman
Well-known member
"causation != correlation"
you need some better analytical skills. the above makes zero sense in any form of notation.
is that causation factorial (nothing) = .....?
"Since when has scientific research established causation??"
you need some seriously better analytical skills. are you suggesting that rumors/etc establish causation?
if scientic research cannot be used to establish cause, what do you suggest does prove cause? conspiracy theories?
and, obtw, the normal claim is correlation vs causation.
you need some better analytical skills. the above makes zero sense in any form of notation.
is that causation factorial (nothing) = .....?
"Since when has scientific research established causation??"
you need some seriously better analytical skills. are you suggesting that rumors/etc establish causation?
if scientic research cannot be used to establish cause, what do you suggest does prove cause? conspiracy theories?
and, obtw, the normal claim is correlation vs causation.
Cyber Geek
Member
In almost all programming languages, != means not equals
Imm suggesting science establishes correlation but makes misleading claims about causation! Who trusts science?
Cyber Geek
Member
No I’m saying that the numbers in hospital inevitably add up as there are less hospital beds. This led to an influx of patient post-pandemic.
Covid mortality rates in most countries were calculated by excess dates, whereas in China they were calculated by deaths from respiratory illnesses.
chowderman
Well-known member
"In almost all programming languages, != means not equals"
not even close.
and I code in four languages.
"Who trusts science?"
got it. follow the science until it proves your political leanings wrong.
not even close.
and I code in four languages.
"Who trusts science?"
got it. follow the science until it proves your political leanings wrong.
Cyber Geek
Member
Yeah exactly. Under-reported cases. But we need to consider that the excess deaths calculation approach considers deaths not directly caused by covid... but because of so many beds taken bu covid patients, they get into hospital later and hence a higher mortality rate.
As for the “speculation” comment this speculation exists in the news !
Its ramping up agin, The whole family got it starting with me and my son. Tested positive Friday, had a bad couple days now on the mend. Still not fun but much easier than the Delta version I got a couple years ago. Either this one is like a mild flu or the T-cells and Antibodies I had fro the last time went to work.
pirate_girl
legendary ⚓
We had one resident.
A woman in her 90s tested positive but remained asymptomatic.
This was two weeks ago.
Nothing else since then.
Not hearing much about it around here, except for some news bits popping up on my Opera about cases in Texas.
A woman in her 90s tested positive but remained asymptomatic.
This was two weeks ago.
Nothing else since then.
Not hearing much about it around here, except for some news bits popping up on my Opera about cases in Texas.
Tested negative today and feeling much better, just a little fatigue.
pirate_girl
legendary ⚓
We had 4 residents test positive today, again asymptomatic.
My friend Emily , who is a nurse tested positive too.
She's got a pretty bad headache and a cough, but that's about it.
I sure question those tests. It would be interesting to put water on a test and see if it comes up positive.
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
Question;
Have there been any double blind studies that indicate that the shots actually work at all?