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Coalition of Women's Sports Groups asks NCAA to Reform rules on "gender identity"

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Epoch Times is running the story and says that the coalition is asking incoming President Trump to help the NCAA reform their rules.

Interesting take on the whole thing as recently the courts ruled that SCHOOLS cannot adopt Biden's proposed, and seriously crazed, gender identity rules as part of a reinterpretation of the Title IX policy. The courts pretty much blew that proposal us and did so in fairly spectacular fashion.

But the rules don't affect private sporting organizations like the NCAA.



Coalition of Women’s Sports Groups Urge Trump to Help Reform NCAA Rules

A coalition of women’s sports advocacy groups are asking for help in reforming NCAA rules beyond the scope of a favorable court decision.

8/30/2023
A coalition of female athletes and women’s advocacy groups has asked President-elect Donald Trump for his help in demanding that the NCAA “restore fairness and opportunity to collegiate sports.”
In a letter to Trump dated Jan. 9, the coalition requests that the president-elect use his “powerful voice to urge the NCAA to take action and clarify participation rules to protect the rights and opportunities of female athletes.”
The coalition alleged that the NCAA has “failed” to respond to female athletes “who have been forced to choose between forfeiting games or participating in competitions that are fundamentally unfair and even dangerous.”
The group said it is appealing to the NCAA “in the name of fairness and commonsense.”
The letter was sent on the day the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Kentucky struck down the proposed Title IX regulations created by the outgoing Biden Department of Education.
The proposed rules would have added the terms “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” to the existing categories of male and female when defining sex discrimination.
The court decision applies to all educational institutions that receive federal funding.
Adopting the name “Our Bodies, Our Sports (OBOS),” the coalition is demanding that the NCAA establish and enforce the right of female athletes to participate in sports based on biological sex.
The coalition wants the NCAA to repeal all policies and rules that allow male athletes who identify as female to take roster spots on women’s teams and compete in women’s events.

Beyond the Ruling

OBOS is demanding that the NCAA revoke all records set by male athletes competing in female sports and restore the female NCAA sports archives by erasing championship wins by teams with male players and those of individual male competitors.
Single-sex locker rooms for female athletes are also among the OBOS demands, as is restoring the Title IX guarantee of equal opportunity for the sexes—a concept they say was “gutted” by the Biden administration.
Adriana McLamb is a former collegiate women’s volleyball player who is now coaching and serving as a recruiting coordinator in Florida.
McLamb, an activist with the Independent Women’s Forum, told The Epoch Times that the timing of the court ruling was good for her movement and that the election of Trump was “pivotal.”
“The two events mark the beginning of the change back to common sense. A male is a male and a female is a female,” she said.
“Though the fight is not over, we can see the end of men playing in women’s sports and women getting their locker rooms back. Protecting women’s spaces is not anti-trans. It is pro-woman.”
McLamb stated that banning males from women’s sports, revoking the records men set, and stripping championships from trans-identifying individuals or teams with trans-identifying players is about “protecting future female athletes and righting the wrongs of the past.”
Rachel Crandall-Crocker, executive director of TransMichigan, an LGBT advocacy group, told The Epoch Times that the proposed actions would be “absolutely discriminatory.”
Crandall-Crocker said that there will be protests and expressed hope that the court’s decision will be overturned on appeal.
At the close of the letter to Trump, the coalition writes: “We the undersigned represent thousands of female athletes and women’s advocacy groups from across the political spectrum. “We stand together in honor of the generations of women who came before us and in defense of all the women and girls who will come next. “We ask for your help in demanding that the NCAA finally act to restore fairness and opportunity in collegiate sports.”
The 11 signatories to the letter include the Independent Women’s Forum, Young Women for America, and the Women’s Liberation Front.
The NCAA and the office of the president-elect did not provide comment by publication time.
 
Today, President Trump signed an order to prevent men from competing in women's sports. This will definitely put pressure on the NCAA and the U.S.Olympic Committee to change rules.

Also, from the author of the Harry Potter series comes a very passionate video in support of WOMEN in WOMEN'S SPORTS

 
Nor only does the NCAA need to modify their rules, they need to retroactively re-assign medals and trophies to the women who lost place to any males (I won't call them men) who won any of those honors by "cheating."

Yes, cheating. There is no other word that applies;
 
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BOOM...
Protecting women's sports!


FULL STORY at Breitbart News website^^^

Trump Reveals He Has ‘Directed’ Kristi Noem to Protect Women’s Sports, Deny Visas of Transgender Athletes

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President Donald Trump revealed that he had directed Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to “deny any and all visa applications” of transgender athletes attempting to enter the United States.
The announcement from Trump came as he was set to sign an executive order protecting women’s sports from transgender athletes. Before the signing, Trump spoke about the 2028 Summer Olympics and how his administration would “not stand by and watch men beat and batter female athletes.”
“In Los Angeles in 2028, my administration will not stand by and watch men beat and batter female athletes, and we’re just not going to let it happen, and it’s going to end,” Trump added. “And it’s ending right now, and nobody’s going to be able to do a damn thing about it because when I speak, we speak with authority. And, for the same reason — just to make sure, I’m also directing our Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem……to deny any and all visa applications made by men attempting to fraudulently enter the United States while identifying themselves as women athletes, trying [to] get into the games.”
 
NCAA President Charlie Baker commented on President Trump’s executive order:

“The NCAA is an organization made up of 1,100 colleges and universities in all 50 states that collectively enroll more than 530,000 student-athletes... We strongly believe that clear, consistent, and uniform eligibility standards would best serve today’s student-athletes instead of a patchwork of conflicting state laws and court decisions. To that end, President Trump’s order provides a clear, national standard.”
 
NCAA has updated their policy, the NCAA media center is sharing the following:



NCAA announces transgender student-athlete participation policy change​

Men's category open to all eligible student-athletes, women's category restricted to student-athletes assigned female at birth, schools directed to foster welcoming environments on all campuses.
Today, the NCAA announced the Board of Governors voted to update the Association's participation policy for transgender student-athletes following the Trump administration's executive order. The new policy limits competition in women's sports to student-athletes assigned female at birth only. The policy permits student-athletes assigned male at birth to practice with women's teams and receive benefits such as medical care while practicing. This policy is effective immediately and applies to all student-athletes regardless of previous eligibility reviews under the NCAA's prior transgender participation policy.​
"The NCAA is an organization made up of 1,100 colleges and universities in all 50 states that collectively enroll more than 530,000 student-athletes. We strongly believe that clear, consistent, and uniform eligibility standards would best serve today's student-athletes instead of a patchwork of conflicting state laws and court decisions. To that end, President Trump's order provides a clear, national standard," NCAA President Charlie Baker said.​
The Board of Governors also directed staff to help all member schools foster respectful and inclusive collegiate athletic cultures. Following student-athlete leadership direction, the NCAA recently updated its Mental Health Best Practices. The NCAA requires all schools to make mental health services and resources available to all student-athletes consistent with the Mental Health Best Practices.​
"The updated policy combined with these resources follows through on the NCAA's constitutional commitment to deliver intercollegiate athletics competition and to protect, support and enhance the mental and physical health of student-athletes," Baker said. "This national standard brings much needed clarity as we modernize college sports for today's student-athletes." Visit ncaa.org for more on the NCAA's mental health initiatives and resources to support respectful and inclusive collegiate athletic cultures.​
Learn more about the NCAA's mental health initiatives and resources to support respectful and inclusive collegiate athletic cultures.​

NCAA men's sports:
Regardless of sex assigned at birth or gender identity, a student-athlete may participate (practice and competition) in NCAA men's sports, assuming they meet all other NCAA eligibility requirements.​
*Student-athletes taking a banned substance (e.g., testosterone) must complete the medical exception process.​
NCAA women's sports:
A student-athlete assigned male at birth may not compete for an NCAA women's team.​
A student-athlete assigned male at birth may practice on an NCAA women's team and receive all other benefits applicable to student-athletes. Division I leadership is planning to adopt roster limits in place of scholarship limits and new practice squad policies are still in development.​
A student-athlete assigned female at birth who has begun hormone therapy (e.g., testosterone) may not compete on a women's team. If such competition occurs, the team will be subject to NCAA mixed-team legislation, and the team will no longer be eligible for NCAA women's championships.​
A student-athlete assigned female at birth who has begun hormone therapy (e.g., testosterone) may continue practicing with a women's team and receive all other benefits applicable to student-athletes.​
Individual schools have the autonomy to determine athletics participation on their campuses.​
NCAA schools are subject to local, state and federal legislation and such policy supersedes the rules of the NCAA.​
Sports with mixed men's and women's NCAA championships are exempt from this policy (e.g., rifle).​
 
I have to wonder how much the leaders of NCAA sold their souls to the Biden camp? How much did they receive from USAID and other government agencies?
They should be sued.
 
I have to wonder how much the leaders of NCAA sold their souls to the Biden camp? How much did they receive from USAID and other government agencies?
They should be sued.

Just for the fun of it I went to the website for the national governing body for sport fencing. It still allows for Male to Female transitioning/transitioned athletes to compete in Women's events. As fencing seems heavily dependent upon the NCAA I wonder if they will be changing their policy?

Perhaps the various sports have been waiting for an announcement from the NCAA and will modify their policies now that the NCAA has published a revised policy?
 
Indiana just passed, in the House, a bill that forbids transgender women from competing in collegiate women's sports in the state. As Indiana's senate and governor are also controlled by the GOP, this bill will likely pass and become law. It is unclear how it would be enforced if an out-of-state transgender woman came into the state for a collegiate club competition.

Bear in mind the NCAA only covers VARSITY athletics. Changes in rulings at the NCAA do not affect intramural or club level sports. So those lower-level sports are still in limbo unless a college or state makes some sort of rule.

FWIW, intramural sports are limited to groups who stay ON CAMPUS and don't generally travel to compete at other schools. Club level sports are in-between intramural and varsity sports, and generally are part of regional or national associations and travel to other campuses to compete.

This could get interesting very quickly as Purdue University in Indiana is very likely hosting the Midwest Fencing Conference Championships this spring, some schools in the conference have transgender female athletes. I suppose the timing of the law, should it pass, will be the determining factor on if it comes into play. And even if the law passes in time, what happens if nobody enforces it? And who would it be reported to? And who would enforce it?
 
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It is a damn shame we have to have legal parsing about intramural and collegian sports concerning sexual proclivities. Thanks to the DEI crap.

I still haven't heard a word about former transexual medal awards being revoked.
 
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TEXAS is pissed off and demanding answers.

And this dovetails with some of my female college girls who asked me this:

— Trump issued an executive order forbidding transgender boys fencing in girls sports.
— The NCAA then issued a new rule forbidding transgender boys competing in girls sports competitive events in college, but still allows boys & transgender boys to practice with girls.
— Then USA Fencing said it will continue to allow transgender boys to fence in girls competitive events.
-- Variou state laws forid transgender boys from competing in female events.

The girls I coach actually do fence against transgender boys and the boys hit harder, etc and they win, even if they have lower skills Boys are simply bigger, faster, stronger and win even if only moderately skilled.

And for whatever it is worth, on a different team I believe I have 2 transgender boy fencers competing on the girls team.

The 'real girls' want to know this is allowed. They are upset and feel like women's sports are under attack. I don't have an answer.
 
"The 'real girls' want to know this is allowed. They are upset and feel like women's sports are under attack.
I don't have an answer."



I do.
It is called the "Women's division" and the "Men's division" for a reason. Trany's are not "Ladies."

Men use the "Men's Room" and Women use the "Ladies Room" for the same reason.

We have two sexes, and they are DIFFERENT.

The word "equal" does not apply.
 
Looks like the US Olympic & Paralympic Committee will be voting on Thursday.

Reliable sources suggest that the USOPC will vote "NO" on allowing trans-athletes.

While I describe FENCING below, this same situation will affect other sports too.

USA Fencing, which includes the US Association of Collegiate Fencing Clubs under its umbrella, will eventually have to follow the lead of the US Olymipics. If it does not, then USA Fencing risks losing its status as the "national governing body" for fencing, which would affect, not only fencers competition paths to the US Olympics but the NCAA too.

So we see what happens on Thursday at the USOPC.

Then, if they vote "no" on trans-athletes, the logical step would be for USA Fencing to call a board meeting (and their lawyers). After the lawyers do their research, and report to the board, the board is going to have to come up with a vote. If the board's vote is in opposition to the USOPC, all hell will break lose. If the board's vote is in alignment with the USOPC then new rules will be written and male to female trans-athletes will not be able to compete in Women's sports.
 
In another plot twist . . .

And a sick on at that . . .

The woman who protested fencing against a trans/male athlete has now been put on probation for 1 year for having a position in opposition to USA Fencing.

I know some female fencers are afraid to speak up. This is the type of action people fear. She took a respectful and principled stand in opposition to an official policy knowing she would be ejected from an event. Now she is "on probation" for an entire year. How is this fair?



Stephanie Turner steps away from USA Fencing career as she's put on probation after protesting trans athlete

'I will remain in the public eye for as long as it takes to resolve this,' says Turner

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EXCLUSIVE: Women's fencer Stephanie Turner's protest kneel against Redmond Sullivan will be her last memory on the strip, for a while.
The 31-year-old Maryland native is stepping away from the sport after being dealt a 12-month probation by USA Fencing over her recent refusal to fence Sullivan at the Cherry Blossom Open on March 30.
Turner knelt on camera, refusing to fence because Sullivan is a trans athlete. Turner was then dealt a black card and escorted out. The footage of her kneeling sparked so much attention that it prompted a federal investigation into USA Fencing.
USA Fencing has now confirmed to Fox News Digital that Turner is under probation for the next 12 months after receiving a black card for the forfeit. She can still compete in events under the probation but is choosing not to.
"I'm going to be taking a break from fencing for a while in the U.S. circuit, so that's a little bit of a disruption for me… It has disrupted my training, it has disrupted my interactions when I go out in public, and it will certainly disrupt my competition because I won't be competing in the United States any time soon," she told Fox News Digital when asked if her expectation that taking the knee would "destroy her life," came true.
Instead, Turner will focus on her new mission in the movement to ban trans athletes from women's sports.
"I will remain in the public eye for as long as it takes to resolve this," she said.
Her recent interactions with friends have been difficult, saying she now gets "dirty looks" from them, and some do not even look at her at all. Turner previously told Fox News Digital that some of her friends were in the "LGBT" community and did not know she believed biologically male trans athletes should not compete in women's sports.
"I'm aware of some of the negative comments that my friends have had, I'm mindful to give them enough space, but I'm sure that, in the future, considering I believe this policy and this ideology to be unsustainable, they'll come around eventually," Turner said.
However, one of Turner's biggest concerns has not come to fruition. After footage of the kneeling was first released, she previously told Fox News Digital she was worried about losing her job.
That has not happened.
Turner's kneel has instead called into question the job security of other individuals, after widespread backlash against USA Fencing and even potential government sanctions.
President Donald Trump's administration has launched an investigation into the situation, which will be carried out by the newly-formed federal Title IX investigations team in conjunction with the U.S. Department of Justice and Department of Education.
"The nation watched as a female competitor bravely took a knee and forfeited an inherently unfair fencing match after discovering that her opponent was a male," Education spokeswoman Julie Hartman told Fox News Digital. "The Trump Administration’s Department of Education and the Department of Justice’s Title IX Special investigations team will not allow recipients of federal funding to deny women’s equal opportunity protections under the law."
USA Fencing has told Fox News Digital that it is willing to cooperate in the investigation.
Turner will look to mount the federal pressure on the organization as well while she is not competing.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Tuesday announced a hearing addressing USA Fencing's gender eligibility policies and the incident involving Turner and Redmond. Turner says she will be attending to testify against USA Fencing.
"I don't envy the opposition," Turner said.
"I hope the exposure to this issue that they have been desperately trying to cover up encourages them to change direction on the policy of allowing men in women's sports… I don't want to see anybody punished beyond resolving the policy and ensuring female exclusivity in women's sports."
Additionally, Turner plans to do whatever else is asked her of as a public figure to bring more public attention, and pressure to politicians, sports institutions, or anyone else fighting to keep trans athletes in women's sports.
That even means making new friends with women's sports rights activists, including Riley Gaines.
Turner appeared on OutKick's "Gaines for Girls" podcast this week.
The episode featurec Turner arguing against the notion that males do not have a physical advantage in fencing, and she opened up to the woman who has directly influenced her current political beliefs.
As a former registered Democrat, Turner says the incident that made her first start to shift her political views to becoming a "new Republican conservative" was witnessing Gaines have to face biologically male trans swimmer Lia Thomas at the 2022 NCAA women's swimming championships.
It was an incident that pushed Turner to the other side of the political spectrum, not just on that singular issue, but it made her question the Democrat platform on every other key issue as well.
"I became concerned about politicians deliberately lying to push a policy they knew would hurt women and girls, it made me wonder ‘how much else you could be lying to me about?’ So from there I turned much of my attention to media that was more conservative-leaning, and I find it I'm [now] more favorable to their policies on economics, social issues, foreign policy and the border," Turner said.
Now, Turner will get to take part in conservative media herself, as she takes a central role in the cause she watched with passion from a distance, before hopping right into it in the past month.
"I'm excited about the future for the first time in women's sports for a few years," Turner said, crediting the movement. "I think it's picking up speed, and we might see a resolution this year."
Meanwhile, USA Fencing will likely face continued scrutiny from the public and federal arbitrators in the coming months after Turner's viral stunt. However, the organization has so far defended its policies and the decision to put Turner on probation.
"Stephanie Turner’s black card was issued in accordance with the same policy and procedures that apply to all black cards at USA Fencing-sanctioned events. Under our rules, a black card results in a probationary period for 12 months — a standard action specified by our policy," a USA Fencing spokesperson told Fox News Digital.
"This does not affect Ms. Turner’s membership status, and she remains eligible to compete in future tournaments. We treat every black card consistently, regardless of the circumstances leading to it, in line with USA Fencing’s established guidelines."
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I honestly am shocked by the "probation" for one year for this penalty.

The 'Black Card' penalty is well known, we teach it in our class, but cite the Iranians refusing to fence Israeli athletes. Never have I heard of it levied against a female athlete who refuses to fence a trans-athlete, but it makes prefect sense, and so it was just the first time, and still accepted by the athletes.

But a 1 year probation? WTF??? This was not punching someone with a bell guard/hilt of the blade to the face intentionally causing physical harm and taking them out of a competition for injury. This was not throwing a mask at a referee with the intent to do harm or display violence. This was as respectful of a refusal as I have ever seen.


FWIW, I mis-gendered, on Wednesday evening, a trans-athlete, while in a small group practice. 6'2" male to female. I did not do it intentionally and actually felt bad about it. This kid, clearly caught up in some sort of confusion, is transitioning, but is otherwise a polite, nice, normal 19 year old. I immediately apologized. I apologized privately at the end of practice because it was the first time we were alone. On a personal level, these are troubled kids. I'm there to coach fencing, not to judge the rest of their life or their life choices. All that said, I clearly don't think a 6'2" biological male should be competing in the women's division of a sport against a typical 5'4" to 5'7" biological female, especially when the sport ALREADY HAS WELL ESTABLISHED "mixed" divisions at many competitions. Perhaps the sport should have more "mixed" divisions and we can simply resolve the issue?
 
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