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Campaigning Liberals plan to announce handgun ban

PBinWA said:
Don't think for a second that it couldn't happen down here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20051208/ca_pr_on_na/fedelxn_liberals_handguns

Support the NRA! :2gunsfiri
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Off the top of my head, Handgun bans have already been enacted in several cities here in the US.

Morton Grove, IL
Chicago, IL
New York, NY
Washington D.C.
San Fransisco, CA (effective Jan 1, 2006)

Those come to mind, and I have not even finished my first cup of coffee yet. I suspect there are dozens more.

Article about the San Fransisco ban : http://www.tracypress.com/voice/2005-11-15-chapman.php

ON THE OTHER HAND, Kennesaw, GA, a suburb of Atlanta, has a law that requires you to have a gun in your home for personal defense. Since passing the law, crime has gone down. The law is largely unenforceable as written and exacts no punishment for those who don't have a gun in their home.

http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html

http://www.turnleft.com/places/marietta.html
 
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Wonder how many of those murders were done by the owner of the handgun? My guess would be that NONE of the handguns were legally owned by the criminal.........as in not registered etc. this will only let the criminals know that law abiding citizens can not longer protect themselves with the same firepower the criminal has. Want to stop or significantly reduce crime, let everyone carry, in the open...............wonder what idiot would try something if he/she knew someone around them could be carrying deadly force.
 
ON THE OTHER HAND, Kennesaw, GA, a suburb of Atlanta, has a law that requires you to have a gun in your home for personal defense. Since passing the law, crime has gone down. The law is largely unenforceable as written and exacts no punishment for those who don't have a gun in their home.


Wonder why?


My alarm system is my cats, my protection is my .380. I dont miss at 20' or less, and you wont be talking when the police arrive.
 
Our new law here in fla alowws you to shoot if you feel endangered. I thik=nk a lot of the bs crimes will drop off dramatically because of it. No special hand gun laws just shoot first, ask questions later.
 
Draddogs said:
Our new law here in fla alowws you to shoot if you feel endangered. I thik=nk a lot of the bs crimes will drop off dramatically because of it. No special hand gun laws just shoot first, ask questions later.
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If that law existed here, I would have shot two people last night. We had two separate assaults last night (that is rare around here) and the assaulter was on scene when we arrived in both instances. One was an 18 year old guy who hit his 16 year old girlfriend in the head with his fist (both were drunk) and he continued to shout obscenities at as as the cops arrived. I was very uncomfortable for that minute before PD got there and did feel threatened. If I had a gun, BOOM that would have taken care of the problem!
The other assault was between two drunk male friends at a nearby casino. Both disorderly-hey I could have blown both away! :2gunsfiri

Bonehead
 
Dang!!! And to think that you missed the target practice!! :eek: :D

I had to rag you some. It looks like your Seahawks are on a collision course with my Colts. Oh crap, I should have waited until after the Colts game with the Jags today to say that. :o I think the Colts will have their hands full with the Jags today. Hopefully the team will keep one of those horse shoes up their *** for a while longer. :whistle:
 
Seahawks, what's that? :popcorn: The only time I get to watch football during the day is at work. That's because I'm on the computer when I'm home. Wife/kids can't be waiting for me for 3 hours! :argueing:

Bone
 
If that law existed here, I would have shot two people last night.
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I counted three. It makes for one hell of a population control for the idiots............
 
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Draddogs said:
Our new law here in fla alowws you to shoot if you feel endangered. I thik=nk a lot of the bs crimes will drop off dramatically because of it. No special hand gun laws just shoot first, ask questions later.
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Better idea, dont leave anyone to ask questions of!
 
It is my understanding that the Indiana laws are essentially the same, being that if you feel threatened in your home, or if you believe your family is threatened, shoot first is legal. I believe in Indiana you must be within your home, I'm not sure that you can do the same on your property?
 
B_Skurka said:
It is my understanding that the Indiana laws are essentially the same, being that if you feel threatened in your home, or if you believe your family is threatened, shoot first is legal. I believe in Indiana you must be within your home, I'm not sure that you can do the same on your property?
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So it has to be at least on your property? I ask you (Bob) this in all honesty. I won't ban you for your answer, I promise ;) . If you felt threatened for your or your family's safety in your house and that law was not in effect, would you not shoot the guy? In other words, wouldn't you shoot (in your house) if you felt threatened no matter what the consequences (to you) would be? The reason I am asking is that I don't think that this law would do anything to discourage someone from coming into your house. If you are packing heat, you are going to blow them away no mater what. Am I right?

Bonehead
 
BoneheadNW said:
So it has to be at least on your property? I ask you (Bob) this in all honesty. I won't ban you for your answer, I promise ;) . If you felt threatened for your or your family's safety in your house and that law was not in effect, would you not shoot the guy? In other words, wouldn't you shoot (in your house) if you felt threatened no matter what the consequences (to you) would be? The reason I am asking is that I don't think that this law would do anything to discourage someone from coming into your house. If you are packing heat, you are going to blow them away no mater what. Am I right?

Bonehead
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Yes.................couldn't help myself from answering
 
Well I think that there are some people who are NOT PRO-Gun and are NOT ANTI-Gun and those people are simply NON-Gun, and those people might lean either way in an arguement and those people might eventually buy a gun, or not buy a gun, based on the laws and the political/social climate in their state toward guns. So some of those people may say that the law says that they cannot defend themselves in that way so some of those people my choose not to even buy a gun, or not to defend themselves under a threat.

For me, I would probably shoot you if I felt my life or the lives of my family members was threatened.
 
Draddogs said:
Our new law here in fla alowws you to shoot if you feel endangered. I thik=nk a lot of the bs crimes will drop off dramatically because of it. No special hand gun laws just shoot first, ask questions later.
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Once again, my point is that the statement "bs crimes will drop off dramatically because of it" is incorrect since 99.9% of gun owners would blow someone away (in their home) if they felt threatened.
B_Skurka said:
For me, I would probably shoot you if I felt my life or the lives of my family members was threatened..
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Bob, don't worry about me. I won't even threaten to ban you anymore! :14_6_20:
Bonehead
 
BoneheadNW said:
If you are packing heat, you are going to blow them away no mater what. Am I right?

Bonehead
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Being that it is right at a one year anniversary of the incident, I'm catching heck about it again. You see, right at a year ago I had a trucker decide that he didn't want me to pass him on a 4 lane highway no matter what. I still have no idea what his problem was. Anyway, after several miles of trying to pass on mostly the left, and some on the right when he swerved into the left lane, I finally got around him. He then proceeded to try to ram me from behind. At this point, his "game" was getting dangerous. A 3500 pound car is no match for a 75,000 pound semi.

I took my exit and noticed that the truck followed me. I continued to one of my accounts I was going to visit. Yes, I was packing; a compact .45 Glock. This truck pulls up about 5' from my back bumper and in my rear view mirror I see legs exiting the truck. After a quick glance for visible weapons in my mirror, I exit my car to meet him half way. I now have about 20 witnesses. To make a long story short, Bubba got a thorough arse kickin'. My firearm never left it's hiding place in my car.

My question here is, what if Bubba was gonna drag you out of your car and beat you half to death and maybe you possibly were not in the position to give Bubba some of his own medicine? If I were smaller, injured, out of shape, not trained, older etc., don't you think that I should have have a way to defend my self? Bubba was a rather large dude with a hard head. His head knocked out my right front headlight and buckled my hood. I was trying to introduce his head to my front bumper, but he managed to raise me up a bit on the way, thus the damage to my car.

Bubba wasn't going to be open to a verbal discussion as to what his problem was. I think that if you brought out a small club, he may have fed it to you. You don't see where a firearm would have been a viable deterent?
 
Dargo-

A few moths ago I was in very similar situation. Instead of a truck driver, however, it was a 20 year old kid who was riding my bumper, trying to get next to me, and swerved to run me (in my old Toy 4x4 truck) off the road. It was around midnight and I was coming back from work after filling in for someone until then (thus I was in my uniform).

To make a long story short, he did pass me and slammed on the brakes. I swerved around him, cut in front to him at an angle, and forced him to stop (that was my first mistake). We were on a dark stretch of two lane country road. For the next 30 seconds I acted without thinking as the adrenaline was controling my behaviour. I got out, ran over to his car, grabbed him and slammed him against the car (my second mistake). What brought me back to reality was his threats that he is "going to own me" as I had assaulted him etc. He then fled the scene and I called my duty captain who called the cops.

Needless to say, the police (many of whom I know) came out, investigated, and nothing ever came of it. If I had had a gun, the adrenaline might have made me pull the trigger.

Bone
 
Dargo said:
You don't see where a firearm would have been a viable deterent?
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I'm in total agreement with Dargo.

Well I had a close friend walk out of a bar where he had just eaten lunch (he did not drink, he went there for lunch during work). A couple drunks were in there and they were commenting on the fact that his beard was grey and he looked like "Kenny Rogers." They followed him out. He tried to get to his car. Again, this is about 1pm on a nice sunny day during lunchtime. My friend pulled a Colt Officer's 45 (he had a CWCP). No shots necessary. No damage to anything other than a couple egos.

Just because you pull a gun does not mean that you will blow someone away. Defensive weapons uses when a shot is NOT fired often go unreported (as was in the case of my friend).

Now Dargo is a bigger guy than me. And I have had rheumatoid arthritis for about 25 years (got it young!!!) so I'm not going to be able to show a trucker the front end of my car like Dargo did. Odds are, in the same circumstances, the trucker would have used me as a doormat. Or in the case of my friend who looks like Kenny Rogers, the 2 drunks would have beat me up for no reason. So for me, physical defense is not the same type of option it is for Dargo.

But if you see a guy in a Hawaiian shirt in the middle of winter, let me just say that you are dealing with a nutcase who is crazy enough to be packing.

My point being, that some BS crimes will go away. Not 99.9% of them, but certainly some. And in many cases, nobody will be blown away.
 
Here's some interesting statistics on Canada's gun registry and it's effectiveness along with some even better statistics on how well the laws are being enforced. It would sure be nice if the courts actually enforced the laws that were on the books instead of the politicians making up new laws.

http://bpoc.blogspot.com/2005/12/guns-effectiveness-of-registry.html

Dargo, nice story. Sorry to hear about your car's hood and headlight. Nothing worse than some idiot vandalizing your car with his head. Reminds me of the time I threw a guy out of a bar and he decided to go and drive his head through a bus shelter for some reason. Yup . . . I'm pretty sure that's what the police report said: in a drunken rage the perpetrator head butted the bus shelter and broke the glass. ;)
 
Damn Dargo.. I would have gotten tired of his crap long before that.. and would have proceeded to take out his rear tires for starters.

After you beat the crap out of him.. did you ask why he was being an idiot?
 
I did get a ribbing just like I thought. I just got back from visiting the account where this happened right at this time last year. One of the guys there did remind me of something though; it's not wise to fight in a suit and tie. I'd nearly forgotten that Bubba nearly strangled me with my own tie before I convinced him to not do so. And, yes, he did hit me first. It just so happened that I ducked and his haymaker hit me squarely on the top of the head. Left a nice lump, but facts proved that my head was harder than his hand. :tiphat:


Anyway, my point was not to brag about any fight; I'm much too old for that. I'm nearly as old as Bob! :eek: My point was that in the future I may well not be inclined to join someone in combat for no apparent reason and no purse is to be had. Besides, I gave up the boxing part of fighting long ago. It was because of my hands. Not because of what you think though. They kept getting hurt by the referee stepping on them while counting. ;) :smileywac

I'd rather do all I can to avoid such a situation now, whether it be to run (not be stupid and "meet him halfway") or to show that I'm simply not in the mood and showing why. Just because someone is carrying doesn't mean that a shooting will happen.

Bob can understand why I am not exactly in the same mood nowadays. (yeah, I'll make up my own words ever so often) I, too, have been diagnosed as having rheumatoid arthritis by three different physicians. I suppose I believe them now. I also had a bout with "gout" this year. What's up with that?!! Damn! I've had plenty of broken bones (sixteen so far) and I don't recall any hurting that bad!! Until I had it, I thought "gout" was something that sailors got in old days when they didn't eat their limes. :o Yeah, I know, wrong disease...

Oh yes, kensfarm, I later heard from the police that Bubba was just having a bad day and thought that I was a car that had "cut him off" about a hundred miles earlier. I was only on that highway for about 10 miles. Bubba even tried to sue for his injuries, but the police reports had numerous witnesses that all verified that Bubba struck first and I only used self defense. If Bubba would have gotten back in his truck any of the half a dozen times or so I asked him to, things wouldn't have been so bad.
 
Hey Dargo,

I feel your pain regarding the arthritis (literally). After I suffered with really bad carpal tunnel (thanks Canadian free healthcare system) for 10-15 years (not from typing but from power tools) I had it all fixed up down here in the wonderful US of A. Now that I have nerves and sensation back in my hands I'm discovering all these neat aches and pains on the cold wintery days. I'm only 37 and I'm getting arthritis in my hands.

It seems that my decreased nerve function allowed me to work my hands harder than I should have. I only got the carpal surgery because I started dropping things for no reason (apparently the nerves were no longer properly innervating the muscles). Some days I wish I had that nice numb tingling back in my hands - it's easier to deal with.

Now, I've already got crappy arthritic knees from playing too many sports and having too many knee operations and injuries. At 37, I'm hoping by the time I'm 57 that I'm dead cause the pain is really going to suck. (Waa Waa - poor me) :cry: .

Getting old sucks and I think its going to get worse. I've stopped drinking much now since I think I'll need my liver when I get older!:1062:
 
BoneheadNW said:
So it has to be at least on your property? I ask you (Bob) this in all honesty. I won't ban you for your answer, I promise ;) . If you felt threatened for your or your family's safety in your house and that law was not in effect, would you not shoot the guy? In other words, wouldn't you shoot (in your house) if you felt threatened no matter what the consequences (to you) would be? The reason I am asking is that I don't think that this law would do anything to discourage someone from coming into your house. If you are packing heat, you are going to blow them away no mater what. Am I right?

Bonehead
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Bang, your dead!!! I also believe that the shot had better enter in the front of the victim, since in the back he COULD have been running away from you, so you were not at that time in danger.
 
I have Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease. It effects my feet and legs right now, to the point I wear braces on them. If you think I am brave for not running, I am not, I can not run, so I have to shoot you dead or take a licking..............

If someone breaks into my house, they are bought and paid for. They can have my wallet, I dont carry cash, nor do I carry credit cards. My debit card can be stopped with one call..................

If you go to hurt me or my family, you may find out whats behind door number 3
 
I got the following from a friend of mine (he is one of those unfriendly clickish uppity east coast types who chooses to remain in the shadows) but I figured I would share it with you all. Thoughts!?!


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