FrancSevin
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I suspect the latter.
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Alright Who's watching the debate?
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pirate_girl
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Well, I hope it's the end of that and the next debate is moderated by a less left corporation.
Patriot
Well-known member
No, it's a gaffe, to put it lightly. I could tell Joe was really trying out there, but he just can't connect the dots as well as he used to. Politics aside, if he was an elder relative, we would be taking away his keys right now.
Diabolical gets my vote.
I suspect they had decided what their reaction would be before the debate even started.
Speeches and comments were already written.
The primary reason for setting the debate this early was to dump Joe. Unprecedented.
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Did you notice Trump called him Brandon once. Lol.
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tommu56
Bronze Member
That should be Obama and Hitterly holding him up and pulling his strings,
She's just waiting in the background to pounce on him when he collapsed pretending to give him mouth to mouth and whispering in his ear now I'll get to be president.
Umberto
Well-known member
ABC
tommu56
Bronze Member
Already Been Corrupted by the Demonicrats!
pirate_girl
legendary ⚓
I'm still reeling from that whole debacle of a debate.
Even the Dems are having LOTS to say today.
When Bill Maher says it's time for Joe to go, wow!
www.thewrap.com
“I mean it’s just all night, confused and halting and trailing off, I’ve seen beauty pageant contestants answer questions better,” Maher went on.
Even the Dems are having LOTS to say today.
When Bill Maher says it's time for Joe to go, wow!
Bill Maher Roasts Joe Biden's Debate Performance: 'I've Seen Beauty Pageants Answer Questions Better' | Video
"Trump told lie after lie after lie -- he never would have gotten away with that if Joe Biden was there," Bill Maher quips
www.thewrap.com
“I mean it’s just all night, confused and halting and trailing off, I’ve seen beauty pageant contestants answer questions better,” Maher went on.
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Hmmm. That just made me think the Dems are looking for an excuse to have Joe Biden get pushed out to get someone in there who can stand up to Trump better than he can.
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
Several pundits have been predicting for months Biden would be outed by the DNC in June. I never gave such talk any credibility until this happened.
Interesting that Biden seemed up to the game at rallies and events the next day.
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
I just heard who Biden's replacement will be...
It's Donald J. Trump
It's Donald J. Trump
pirate_girl
legendary ⚓
I just watched a piece on Newsmax with Dick Morris, saying that Biden's candidacy is bleeding to death.
He thinks groups of Democrats are going to form to get him out of office very soon.
He thinks groups of Democrats are going to form to get him out of office very soon.
Patriot
Well-known member
I think it's a little too late at this point to replace Biden, and that's assuming they can even find someone who would poll better than he does. The Dems are screwed. Trump will be the next president.
That's what we though 3.5 years ago. The dems will manipulate with their full wrath to try and stay in power.
tommu56
Bronze Member
How Democrats could replace Biden as presidential candidate before November
I looked at a few different sites and this one had the best commentary it will be a crap storm anyway they replace him this late in the game.
If they pick or she supersedes him Harris will be more votes for Trump.
Newsom and Pritzker would continue to push for disarming all of us both too radical.
That leaves Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear.
So if I had to vote democrat (not going to happen in all practicality) Andy would get my vote.
WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - After President Joe Biden's shaky performance at the debate with former President Donald Trump on Thursday night, some Democrats openly questioned whether he should be replaced as their candidate for the 2024 election.
There is a process for doing so, but it would be messy.
For answers on how that would work, Reuters spoke to Elaine Kamarck, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution think tank, a Democratic National Committee (DNC) member, and author of the book "Primary Politics" about the presidential nominating process.
This explainer is based largely on interviews with her.
Q: WHAT OPTIONS DO DEMOCRATS HAVE?
A: The Democratic Party has had no real Plan B for Biden as its presidential candidate. He ran virtually unopposed for the party's presidential nomination this year.
He will not be nominated officially until later this summer, so there is still time to make a change and a handful of scenarios to enact one: Biden could decide himself to step aside before he is nominated; he could be challenged by others who try to win over the delegates he has accrued; or he could withdraw after the Democratic convention in Chicago in August, leaving the Democratic National Committee to elect someone to run against Trump in his place.
Q: SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
A: Right now, the process largely depends on Biden. He would have to agree to step down or face a challenger this late in the process who would try to force him to do so. So far Biden has shown no indications of wanting to step aside and no opponents have challenged him directly.
In fact some of his top potential replacements - Vice President Kamala Harris and California Governor Gavin Newsom - spoke passionately in his defense after the debate, serving in a surrogate role that showcased their support but also contrasted their smooth delivery with his faltering one on the Atlanta debate stage.
Q: WHAT HAPPENS IF BIDEN STEPS DOWN?
A: Biden has spent the last several months accruing nearly 4,000 Democratic delegates by winning primary elections in U.S. states and territories.
Those delegates would normally vote for him, but the rules do not bind or force them to do so; delegates can vote with their conscience, which means they could throw their vote to someone else.
If Biden "releases" his delegates by stepping aside, there could be a competition among other Democratic candidates to become the nominee.
Q: WHO WOULD REPLACE BIDEN?
A: Several candidates could step into the fray, but there is no obvious number one.
Vice President Harris would almost certainly be at the top of the list, but she has had her own problems after a rocky start in the job and poor polling, opens new tab numbers. The U.S. Constitution dictates that the vice president becomes president if the president dies or becomes incapacitated, but it does not weigh in on an inter-party process for choosing a nominee.
California Governor Newsom, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear and Illinois Governor JB Pritzker have all been floated as possible replacements, but they are Biden supporters and campaign surrogates who are working to help get him elected now.
Q: HOW WOULD A NOMINEE BE CHOSEN?
A: There would likely be a free-for-all of sorts between the Democratic heavyweights vying for the job.
Candidates would have to get signatures from 600 convention delegates to be nominated. There are expected to be some 4,672 delegates in 2024, including 3,933 pledged delegates and 739 automatic or superdelegates, according to Ballotpedia, opens new tab.
If no one gets a majority of the delegates, then there would be a "brokered convention" in which the delegates act as free agents and negotiate with the party leadership to come up with a nominee.
Rules would be established and there would be roll call votes for the names placed into nomination.
It could take several rounds of voting for someone to get a majority and become the nominee. The last brokered convention when Democrats failed to nominate a candidate on the first ballot was in 1952.
Q: WHAT HAPPENS IF BIDEN STEPS DOWN AFTER THE CONVENTION?
A: If Biden steps down after the August convention, the 435 members of the Democratic National Committee would choose a new candidate. The members would meet in a special session to select a nominee.
Q: WHO ARE THESE 435 DNC MEMBERS?
A: They are divided equally between men and women as well as various constituency groups including labor leaders, LGBTQ representatives, and racial minorities. Of the total, 75 are appointed at-large by the chair, while the rest are elected in their respective states.
Q: WHO COULD NOMINATE AN ALTERNATIVE IN THAT CASE?
A: To nominate a candidate to replace Biden on the ballot, that person would have to have the support of a minimum number of DNC members -- perhaps around 60, though the exact number would be determined by the DNC's rules committee, which would lay out the rules for the proceedings before they started.
There would likely be nominating speeches and seconding speeches. Multiple candidates could be nominated before the list is whittled down.
Q: HOW WOULD THOSE VOTES BE COUNTED?
The DNC would likely hold its meeting in Washington and the votes would be counted there. Ballots would be coded, signed and collected by hand. If a vote were to happen very close to Election Day on Nov. 5, when it was not possible to meet in person, then it would likely be virtual.
Patriot
Well-known member
Of course they will, but it won't be enough. Trump will win by too much for them to cheat the difference.
tommu56
Bronze Member
true but if we sit on our butt's and dont get out and vote it will erode the lead!
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
You are assuming of course, that the RINO's, who stand to lose their power as well, won't assist them. Ya know, like 2020
Patriot
Well-known member
I'm betting this will be a record voter turnout.
Patriot
Well-known member
The RINO's will just do what they did last time: suck up to Trump and pretend to be populist so he doesn't turn on them.
We had a couple days in the Grand Tetons/Yellowstone and had ZERO internet.
I did not read through this thread, but I'm now in civilization and have been watching video.
I don't see how the media can recover from their cover up of Biden's condition and ever gain the trust of the American people
I think 'Dr Jill' should be charged with "elder abuse"
Clearly the doctors either administered the drugs they gave Biden too early, so he declined before the debate or too late, and he was hopped up after the debate, but they were not working during the debate.
The Democrats are going to face LAWFARE from the GOP and Trump Campaign if they try to replace Biden on the ticket, and clearly they need to replace him.
Seriously talking, there are potentially 3 Supreme Court justices up for consideration in the next 4 years. Alito and Thomas are elderly, Sotomayer is old and not too healthy. This next term could be a total 'make or break' for the republic.
I did not read through this thread, but I'm now in civilization and have been watching video.
I don't see how the media can recover from their cover up of Biden's condition and ever gain the trust of the American people
I think 'Dr Jill' should be charged with "elder abuse"
Clearly the doctors either administered the drugs they gave Biden too early, so he declined before the debate or too late, and he was hopped up after the debate, but they were not working during the debate.
The Democrats are going to face LAWFARE from the GOP and Trump Campaign if they try to replace Biden on the ticket, and clearly they need to replace him.
Seriously talking, there are potentially 3 Supreme Court justices up for consideration in the next 4 years. Alito and Thomas are elderly, Sotomayer is old and not too healthy. This next term could be a total 'make or break' for the republic.
FrancSevin
Proudly Deplorable
Not on election day. They hid their eyes.
Patriot
Well-known member
I don't think they'll be able to cheat their way out of it this time. It will be too big a lead. Too big to rig. Plus, we'll be watching more closely.
jpr62902
Jeanclaude Spam Banhammer
The gaslighting from the media and Whitehouse staffers was disgraceful. Bias in the media isn't anything new - it happens throughout the political spectrum. Neither side is without sin.
But PMSNBC (and similar outlets) and Karin Jean- Pierre et al., have engaged in a whole new low in deception and spin. Scarborough recently said (just before the debates) that this was the best version of Joe Biden ever. Jean-Pierre said the new videos of Biden looking feeble and lost were cheap fakes. If I voted for Biden in this year's primary, I'd be livid. I'd feel duped.
But more importantly, the perils of DEI policies now come to light more brightly than ever. The Democrats backed themselves into a corner by picking Kamala Harris as VP. Woefully unqualified for the job, she was selected to check the DEI boxes. Now, she's the heir apparent if Biden steps down, and completely unelectable. If they replace her with the likes of Newsome or Beshear, watch out. They'll be shouting aboiut the white patriarchy all the way to election day or even the courthouse.
The WSJ and Newseek have published good editorials to this effect that I think are spot on:
Progressive Dogma Ensures Dems Will Be Stuck with Biden
Joe Biden turned in an abysmal performance in the first presidential debate Thursday night.
www.newsweek.com
I said that almost 4-years ago when he was elected and he's only got worse since then.
I don't think Dr Jill will allow Biden to step down, she enjoys being "First Lady" too much and the Dems can't just arbitrarily replace him with a candidate of their choice so they are stuck with him ... unless Hillary takes him out.
tommu56
Bronze Member
It's up to Kammela and the cabinet or congress if they have the ball's to do it
they wont have the votes in the senate, house republican's aren't going to get the votes to attempt it.
25 amendment section 4 clip
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department [sic][note 2][7] or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
they wont have the votes in the senate, house republican's aren't going to get the votes to attempt it.
25 amendment section 4 clip
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department [sic][note 2][7] or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
