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This lion was hit between Grantsville and Walker WV, by a car. Game and Fish had to come and put him down. He charged at the Fish and Game guy in the process. Look at his PAWS!.
 

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Nope, no stats. I got it in an email from someone in WV. We all know how that stuff goes. It might be from Montana for all I know. We'll find out if someone recognizes the picture.
 
Doc said:
This lion was hit between Grantsville and Walker WV, by a car. Game and Fish had to come and put him down. He charged at the Fish and Game guy in the process. Look at his PAWS!.
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Pretty neat photos, but I would wager a "Whole Nickel" that someone shot it and the guy in the photo is a taxidermist going to mount it or the guy that shot it.

Most cases when an animal is hit by a car/truck, there is massive blood and damage, not to mention the shooting of it. Looks like this animal was taken down with one shot, more than likely it was shot out of a tree after being treed by a pack of hunting dogs.

The story will come out in due time I would suppose, but after dealing with animal "Hits" with my wrecker, that don't look like one... Still, it is a big cat!
 
Shame on someone for shooting it, if they did in fact. Hit by a car a cougar that big could actually survive, depending on where it was hit. I would think the car would have more damage. That is a big cat for sure, but guys they do get that big. There are soem at the rescue that big. I would say it is on the large size of average for a cougar though.

IF it did start to attack rangers, I understand putting it down, but somehow this story just dont add up.
 
ddrane2115 said:
Shame on someone for shooting it, if they did in fact. Hit by a car a cougar that big could actually survive, depending on where it was hit. I would think the car would have more damage. That is a big cat for sure, but guys they do get that big. There are soem at the rescue that big. I would say it is on the large size of average for a cougar though.

IF it did start to attack rangers, I understand putting it down, but somehow this story just dont add up.
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I don't support hunting with dogs in that context unless they were looking for an animal that was infact going around and killing and eating people...

Having said that, it is a normal means of legally hunting of those cats that I don't aggree with.

But... when ever a large "Scary" animal like that is taken in a hunt, it always seems to show up on the Internet as some animal that "Had" to be shot because it was "attacking someone" in self defense to give it a better story line than... "It walked out into the open and Bubba shot it after he had to put his beer down!"....
 
AndyM said:
The local online news organization sounds skeptical of the story...

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=articles_hurherald&id=27666
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A guy shot a Brown Bear that was record book size while hunting deer on Hinchinbrook Island in Alaska with no real fanfare, he shot it, it died. But on the internet, it was killing people left and right, and pretty much took a Bazooka to bring it down...

Made for a great read to scare the hell out of the kids, but that was about it....
 
Is that the story that went 'round the net of the bear that ate every bit of that guy but his tennis shoes and tally-wacker?

C'mon-- you all know that picture... :yum:
 
Folks, I have been up close and personal with some big cougars, after looking at the pics again I can tell you that is the biggest cougar I have ever seen. I want to see the car that hit it, I KNOW it will be damaged. The guy holding it looks all to happy (sicko). Me thinks this is a hunted animal with dogs (no sport in that), and as big as the cat is, he may have actually been a canned hunt. He is awful fatty looking for a REAL wild cougar. He is also a bit big for one.
 
fogtender said:
A guy shot a Brown Bear that was record book size while hunting deer on Hinchinbrook Island in Alaska with no real fanfare, he shot it, it died. But on the internet, it was killing people left and right, and pretty much took a Bazooka to bring it down...

Made for a great read to scare the hell out of the kids, but that was about it....
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Record book bear is not going to be brought down easily if you in fact hunting with a deer rifle, unless you are WAY over gunned for deer. I would say the MINIMUM for bear, .308 to bring it down humanely........one shot kill...........I used a .270 for deer, and that was big, but no bear round
 
Haven't snope'd it, but just got this via email...

A couple from Montana were out
riding on the range, he with his rifle and she (fortunately) with her
camera. Their dogs always followed them, but on this occasion a Mountain
Lion decided that he wanted to stalk the dogs (you'll see the dogs in the
background watching). Very, very bad decision.

The hunter got off the mule with his
rifle and decided to shoot in the air to scare away the lion, but before he
could get a shot off, the lion charged in and decided he wanted a piece of
those dogs. With that, the mule took off and decided HE wanted a piece of
that lion. That's when all hell broke loose for the lion.

As the lion approached the dogs, the
mule snatched him up by the tail and started whirling him around. Banging
its head on the ground on every pass. Then he dropped it, stomped on it and
held it to the ground by the throat. The mule then got down on his knees
and bit the thing, all over, a couple of dozen times to make sure it was
dead, then whipped it into the air again, walked back over to the couple
(that were stunned in silence) and stood there ready to continue his ride
as if nothing had just happened.

Fortunately, even though the hunter
didn't get off a shot, his wife got off these four pictures:
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OK, snope'd it.

Origins: According to Steve Richards, who wrote a couple of articles about them for Western Mule Magazine, these pictures date from 2002 or 2003 and show Berry, a now 11-year-old mule, owned by a 25-year-old hunter named Jody Anglin. The incident depicted took place in southwestern New Mexico, and came about as Berry the mule grew more aggressive over time in his pursuit of mountain lions with Jody:

When Jody first got the mule and after Jody shot the first lion out, Berry casually came over to the lion and just nuzzled the lion and casually nibbled it. With each lion Berry just got more aggressive. Jody said it didn't take more than two lions and Berry got really aggressive to the lion and couldn't wait to get the cat.

However, the text description accompanying these photographs is somewhat inaccurate, as Berry didn't actually kill the mountain lion - the mule picked it up and tossed it around only after it was already dead:

The lion was dead before the mule Berry took and shook the lion. A lion is a powerful and lethal predator and can easily kill a mule - however a mule can be quite an adversary.
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ddrane2115 said:
Record book bear is not going to be brought down easily if you in fact hunting with a deer rifle, unless you are WAY over gunned for deer. I would say the MINIMUM for bear, .308 to bring it down humanely........one shot kill...........I used a .270 for deer, and that was big, but no bear round
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A .308 is a pretty small cal for something that can be in excess of a thousand pounds and solid. Most of the guides in Alaska carry a .338 Mag at a min., many carry the .375 H & H to back their clients.

When I am out, I carry a 300 Win Mag. and if in heavy brush, I carry a 12 GA. with slugs. But just as a side arm, I use a .44 Mag, which would really piss off a really big bear, I use it for noise and to make me feel good.... and carry it while in the plane or snow machine in the remote areas.

Yesterday morning I snow machined out to the cabin, 40 miles one way and then back in the afternoon... There is a fresh wolf killed moose along the trail, looks like it took some time to bring it down, but they do that all the time. Really not a good day, too many miles for the first long snow machine trip of the season, even what is left of the hair on my head hurt.... In the imp I could drink coffee and sit in the heated warmth of the cab....
 
ddrane2115 said:
As I thought, this was a not a kill for bear, but a kill to not be killed. And the deer we hunt for even .300 is over kill
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Well on Kodiak Island and other Coastal areas of Alaska where you hunt deer there are big Brown Bears. You carry the bigger rifle because the bears show up a lot of the time.

They relate shooting as a meal, when the deer season is in full swing. The bears are not allowed to be hunted unless you have a drawing permit in many cases, but you can protect yourself. But when the bears hear the gun shot, they show up and have chased many a hunter off his kill.

But I can attest that standing there with a .223 in your hand with a 1200 pound brown bear standing up and snorting a couple of dozen feet away, will cause you to have a "Fruit of the Loom Failure"....

The interior Alaskan Grizzlies are smaller, but somewhat meaner because the food is not as plentiful as along the Coast of Alaska. This last fall the next door neighbor (about 13 families live in the area here) shot about a 600 lb Grizzly in her yard that had been knocking stuff over in our yard too and breaking into cabins. It had been wounded a few months earlier when an guy shot it in his yard, he used a .223 and broke it's right arm. It wasn't a happy camper either an was only a matter of time before someone walked out at the wrong time without a gun, but she saw it in the yard first...
 
fogtender said:
A .308 is a pretty small cal for something that can be in excess of a thousand pounds and solid. Most of the guides in Alaska carry a .338 Mag at a min., many carry the .375 H & H to back their clients.

When I am out, I carry a 300 Win Mag. and if in heavy brush, I carry a 12 GA. with slugs. But just as a side arm, I use a .44 Mag, which would really piss off a really big bear, I use it for noise and to make me feel good.... and carry it while in the plane or snow machine in the remote areas.

Yesterday morning I snow machined out to the cabin, 40 miles one way and then back in the afternoon... There is a fresh wolf killed moose along the trail, looks like it took some time to bring it down, but they do that all the time. Really not a good day, too many miles for the first long snow machine trip of the season, even what is left of the hair on my head hurt.... In the imp I could drink coffee and sit in the heated warmth of the cab....
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Guess you are right on the .308, but then a head or heart shot would do it. I would go with the flow and carry bigger I guess, but I am not going to hunt in bear country.......unless with my big bad camera!

stay warm my friend
 
In the last article, it says the Arizona DPS guy was holding the animal, but it appears that is a personal garage so does that mean that the DPS guy kept the animal for himself?
 
k-dog said:
In the last article, it says the Arizona DPS guy was holding the animal, but it appears that is a personal garage so does that mean that the DPS guy kept the animal for himself?
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Here they work out of their homes. That appears to maybe be a taxidermy shop. Which I think is good. If it had to die, at least maybe they can partially preserve it.
 
AndyM said:
Updated story:

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=articles_hurherald&id=27669
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Well that kills the "It attacked the F&G Officer", which I kinda doubted, but it still doesn't look like road kill. Unless it was just a glancing hit off the other side of the head. Normally when you bounce off a car or truck, there is some major tissue damage that the cat doesn't seem to have visible in the photo.

Maybe they cleaned it up for the open casket funeral...
 
ddrane2115 said:
Guess you are right on the .308, but then a head or heart shot would do it. I would go with the flow and carry bigger I guess, but I am not going to hunt in bear country.......unless with my big bad camera!

stay warm my friend
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The .308 is a good hunting round and will bring down a moose for the freezer... But when you are up to your armpits doing the field cleaning, you don't need company that wants to "split the take" and aiming for a "Head Shot" on a Grizzly/Brown bear is a really good way to piss him off.

I have a friend that had just enough time to spin around with a 12 Ga. and fire "a" shot of buck into a 900 lb. bear that was charging, and he did it from the hip. He hit it square in the nose at about six feet, it spun the bear around and it went about 300 feet and died.

Very rarely does someone drop a charging bear with a head shot, more of a glancing shot off the skull would happen and they don't handle "Comb overs" well. Bears are incredibly fast, most folks don't realize they can outrun a Quarter Horse in a short sprint, and they go from zero to fast in about one jump... So covering a space of 50 yards would take just a few seconds at worst...

Basically you need the "overkill" in a big rifle in the event that you do have to shoot for self defense and one in the "Boiler Room" is going to be the best choice. You aim for where the heart should be at, and if you miss, there is still lots of space for damage to slow them down for a second shot....

Almost all of the bear encounters I have had, ended with the bears either didn't care that I was there, walked off or ran... Just about all of them were chance encounters when I wasn't paying attention walking down trails or beaches and looked up and they were as surprises as I was. I spent the summer where the "Grizzly Man" Timothy Treadwell got himself and his girlfriend eaten when I was working on the EXXON Valdez Oil Spill in '89 at Katmai National Park. I had about five hundred workers on the beaches cleaning and the bears would come up on us all the time, we had to exit the beaches and let them pass before returning to work. All they let us carry was "Bear Repellent Spray" that was basically a pepper spray to make the meal taste better for the bears.
 
ddrane2115 said:
All depends on the angle. I had a bud of mine bounce a .243 off a deer once, second shot put it down, but the first just skinned the head meat off.
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Yeah, I was picturing the situation of a big grizzly charging straight at you. That big sloped forehead is gonna take a hell of a beating, and is pretty much armor plated for anything less than an RPG.
 
DaveNay said:
I found out last summer that in Manitoba, bear repellent is a registered weapon. :4_11_9:
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In Kodiak, one of the patrons was playing with a can of bear spray in his room. He was spinning it on his finger when it flew off and punctured the can. Since it was non-flammable, it went into the vent system and didn't set off the fire alarm to shut down the venting system and within minutes, had the whole hotel staff and guests out in the street coughing a sneezing...

Pretty easy to figure out who did it, he was the "Fluorescent Orange Guy" from head to toe from the marker dye in the stuff...
 
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