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What to expect from the Gulf Spill

fogtender

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Started working oil spills almost forty years ago, not much has changed. Can't even tell you how many of them I have worked on starting when I was in the Coast Guard to it appears the Gulf Spill in a few weeks.

The most famous was the EXXON Valdez, and to the lessor the M/V Selendan Ayu freighter that hit the rocks and split in half about sixty miles West of Dutch Harbor in Scan Bay. Spilling about 400,000+ gallons of Bunker C crude along about forty miles of Coast line.


Selendang Ayu after breaking in half in 2005

In spite of the hand wringing of the spill in the Gulf, the oil that is hitting the beach has been weathered for almost a month and most of the volatiles that make it a solvent are gone, mostly evaporated in the warm waters of the Gulf. The brown yucky stuff you see hitting the beach in the news is what is called "Mousse" (moose) and is about 80% water, when it dries it will be the consistency of a taco shell and can be picked up off the beach like trash.

Been though this when I was cleaning the EXXON Valdez spill, the oil that was thirty days out had no viscosity to sink into the ground by the time it got to Halo Bay where I worked the spill. It just laid on the beach and dried out or had sand pull over it, in either event, it was inert for the most part, looked pretty ugly though. There were thousands of birds that died, we had feathers all over the tide-lines long after the oil was getting hard to find to send the cleanup crews to work them.

The point of impact where the first oil from the EXXON Valdez hit the beach was a mess, it was still like a solvent or a heavy diesel fuel for those that haven't seen Alaskan Crude Oil, it sank into the beach and down into the water table where there is some still remaining, but as you travel out from Knight Island where the spill first made landfall, it made less and less of an impact as it floated in the water and much of it evaporated.

Katmai National Park is about 400 miles to the West of the Prince William Sound where the EXXON Valdez hit the reef. It took about thirty days for that oil to get there. When it hit the beaches it was like a chocolate pudding, it had no viscosity to it, it was like a pudding and just laid on the sand, rocks or whatever, it didn't sink in.

This is what that oil looked like as it hit landfall after thirty days at sea from the EXXON Valdez spill at Halo Bay in the Katmai National Park. If you look, the oil is not sinking into the sand at this stage of it's making landfall after a month or so. Looks bad, but just sits there.
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This is where the oil "Mousse" hit the beach and the twenty foot tides pulled sand down over it, we had to dig down to it, but it again wasn't sinking into the sand, it was more like a pudding that just sat there. It was all the way up under the grass, which was doing just fine.
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This oil had sat on the beach for about a week before we could get the cleanup crews to start shoving it into bags for removal. It is starting to dry out and shortly would dry to about a taco shell consistency, just black and not edible.
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During the M/V Selendang Ayu spill, it was a Bunker C crude, it is a bit thicker than crude oil because some of the lighter's have been removed at a refinery, but still made a mess after it hit landfall. This was about a week after the spill hit Scan Bay.
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After winter storms subsided in the Bering Sea, we were able to get cleanup crews on the beaches to start the removal of the oil from the tide-line. Note where the cleanup crews are at in this April photo, the grass is only green where the oil is at.
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As the cleanup progressed the oil was all over the vegetation and was the grasses were growing up though it, was hard to clean up the oil without cutting the grass as well. Later on, where we had removed the grass, it was almost twice as tall where it all grew back and did very well. We had to cut up the sections of oil like cutting a piece of cake and put it into bags.
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Oil is 100% biodegradable, in spite of all those that scream it isn't, it is natural vegetation, fertilizer is made from it because it is organic and there is bacteria that naturally eat it when it can. The fact that it has sat underground for millions of years is what made it oil, and yeah I know, it is carbon based, so is most life forms.

I get all sort of people telling me that oil isn't biodegradable and they quote all sorts of science that says it don't... But now we have the Gulf disaster and they are worried that the Bacteria that naturally eats the oil is doing so under the water and may deplete the oxygen.... The fact that science seems to only apply when it is a disaster to the folks that claim the sky is falling is sad, to say the least.

Well for what "Little" science that I know of, when an animal breaths in Oxygen and puts out Carbon Dioxide, the plants speed up growth and they turn it back into Oxygen, so I would say I wouldn't panic yet on that issue, nobody really knows.

What I do know and is the jest of my writing this, is that the oil in the Gulf is making landfall after a month, and it appears most of the oil that does will be sitting in warm water that allows it to breakup and allows the solvents to evaporate. What is left is the same stuff that I have dealt with many times over the years, a "Mousse". When it hits the beaches, it won't sink into the sand, it will just rest on top and look bad. The summer heat there will cause the water to evaporate out of the "Mousse" and cause it to shrink to a shell that can be picked up and put in a bag.

The plants that it is getting into, some may die, but in most cases it will still be alive and start really growing. There will be however many dead birds and animals that are involved with the Mousse as it comes ashore. Too much of anything is toxic, drop a thousand pounds of whipped cream on someone and they will suffocate.

At this point I will get all sorts of people claiming I don't know what I am talking about, point is, this is what I have been doing for years and those same folks have more than likely never seen crude oil outside of at TV Special.

So having said that, I will tell you that after the leak is stopped and cleanup is in full swing, after about four months (or a hurricane) there will be a lot of people looking for something that won't be there.

This is a video done by the WWF about the EXXON Valdez spill to make you think that oil is all over the place. Before you watch it, remember you can't smell what they claim and they show no oil as they dig, they only show clear water under the rocks, they didn't find any and they claimed oil was everywhere, but they do show shots of oil from twenty years earlier, and a shovel in the water that appears to have had someone put motor oil on it and dip it in the water. Not very honest, more of an attempt to get you to send money verses what really happened. There is places where oil is under the beach, but doesn't have sheens or smell all over unless you dig them up, but in time they too will be eaten by the natural bacteria.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjC9SMKClE"]YouTube - The Exxon Valdez Disaster: 20 Years Later[/ame]

Within a year, the Gulf oil will have become a memory that affected a lot of people negatively from job losses in the fishing industry, but will rebound. Others will put their fishing boats to work and make good money out of a bad deal. They never told anyone that after the EXXON Valdez spill, record amounts of Salmon returned to the point the prices where driven down... The oil didn't wipe them out as claimed. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years as the bacteria grows that eats the oil, there will be a major increase of other critters feeding on them all the way up the food chain and the shrimp will return in even greater numbers.

The Gulf will recover, more damage will be caused by the current administrations shutting down all oil production in the Gulf and Alaska. You think the fisherman had it bad, they don't put nearly as much money into the Gulf economies as the oil companies do and times will really be hitting the skids as everything hits bottom.

But the world isn't coming to an end, in time all will return to normal, the people that side with the lawyers like the fishermen did in Alaska, won't get paid for twenty years and the Lawyers will make all the money as they did from EXXON. The people that settle up front, will make as much money, pay their bills and get on with their lives.

There is nothing nice about any oil spill, there is great loss of wildlife, people's lives are turned on end, but things will recover.

Don't have any magic wand to make things better, but this is an attempt to give some insight to who will listen that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it isn't the Train, but once in a while it seems like it is!

For those that feel the world is doomed, they may be right, but it will be from some folks from the Mideast setting a nuke off in a place like NY, then the oil spill won't even be an issue instantly.

I am pro oil exploration, as well as pro regulation to ensure it is done cleanly, we are going to have accidents in the future as we have had in the past, what we can do is learn from them and do it better next time.
 
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A very interesting thread Fogtender , Thanks for taking the time to post it :smile:


Just tired of all the "Sky is falling" people spreading all sorts of falsehoods without response on the subject. There are a lot of detractors that claim that oil isn't biodegradable when it is Organic to start with and bacteria (bugs) does in fact eat it...But they claim they don't...

Now that they have discovered a "Plume" under the ocean, now they are saying that the "Bugs" that don't eat the oil are now eating it and they are going to use up all the Oxygen... Well duh, maybe the plant life will start growing and turn the Carbon Dioxide back into Oxygen like it normally does and allow the "Bugs" to keep eating the oil... Yeah, I know there is no light down there, but life tends to adapt inspite of what we "Claim". After every oil spill, there has been a massive growth of everything that feeds off those bugs, right up the food chain.

I would bet in a few years, they will have record shrimp catches, but won't make the connections....
 
Fogtender,:clap:

Absolutely a wonderful and timely post. I only wish those who don't know any better could read this, from someone who has been there, done that.

This is still a disaster, but there will be life after this event is history. Thanks for letting us know this. Thanks for sharing your experiances with the forum.:smile:

Best regards, Kirk
 
Fogtender,:clap:

Absolutely a wonderful and timely post. I only wish those who don't know any better could read this, from someone who has been there, done that.

This is still a disaster, but there will be life after this event is history. Thanks for letting us know this. Thanks for sharing your experiances with the forum.:smile:

Best regards, Kirk
Oil is a mess at just about all stages of a spill, when you have a ship hit the rocks, the oil is like water itself and will sink into the sand and watertable, this stuff that has been floating around for a month is just like a puddy.

The Beach that they sent Obama to so he could "Bond" with people's pain was a joke, there is more oil in most small boat harbors from people pumping their bilge water overboard from their boats, than the tiny tarballs he was picking up.


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This is what a real oiled beach looks like...

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I read a lot of articles daily on this oil thing, and this is one of the best. Thank you.
 
This is a neat insite of what oil does when nature spills it...


http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6576#more

In the normal course of events the magnitude of the natural seeps of oil into the waters around the United States far exceeds that from other sources. For example, to take the data for U.S. waters:



Comparison of seeps and typical annual spill volumes (after Etkin-ibid)
 
This is a neat insite of what oil does when nature spills it...


http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6576#more

In the normal course of events the magnitude of the natural seeps of oil into the waters around the United States far exceeds that from other sources. For example, to take the data for U.S. waters:



Comparison of seeps and typical annual spill volumes (after Etkin-ibid)

The graph is from 98 to 07. Any idea how that 10% would change with this new oil leak?
Thanks for any thoughts.
 
The graph is from 98 to 07. Any idea how that 10% would change with this new oil leak?
Thanks for any thoughts.

No, not right now. The site was sent to me by a friend that deals with that type of stuff.

I don't think anyone really knows for sure how much is leaking. I think by looking at the video of the leak that it is rather deceiving because it is rolling out, not blasting like a fire hose would be doing. Whatever the numbers are, it is too much though.

But unless BP can start sucking the oil to the point none is coming out from the cap, that is the only way they will have an idea of how much was lost when they fill the tankers.

The oil is covering a massive area, but it is as thick as a human hair in most cases. The photos they show of the oil sheens, are at the last stages of being a sheen, they are breaking up into little sections. The Mousse is what is left and covering the birds, is the oil after all the solvents have been evaporated out. The bright side is that many of the birds may be washed off and saved because the solvents are gone unlike in the EXXON Valdez case when the oil was fresh and full of solvents and the water was cold. The birds not only were oiled with fresh oil, they died of Hypothermia as well. In the Gulf, the water is a lot warmer and may give them more time to clean the birds.
 
Hey Fogtender what is yoyr take on these underwater oil slicks they aare talking about on the newsis this just oil that all light hydrocarbons have evaporated off so noow you have a heavy asphalt slick under the water.
 
Very interesting thread. No matter how much humans attempt to destroy the planet, it always seems to have a way of saving itself.
 
What do I expect from the oil Spill ????:unsure: Not much , but a bunch of excuses and finger pointing .........
 
What do I expect from the oil Spill ????:unsure: Not much , but a bunch of excuses and finger pointing .........

Yeah, that is going to go on for years.

People are claiming BP did illegal stuff, I don't have a clue, but I do know that in Alaska's oilfields, BP is so safety orientated it is anal. If someone doesn't like the way a job is going, they can shut it down, that is anyone down to the floorsweeper.

So far there is all sorts of blame going around and I don't care about joining the lynch mob on a "Maybe", in time it will be known if it was an accident, stupidity, or a part failed. Until then I'm not going to blame anyone, but BP was the overall project manager and will bear the brunt of the lawsuits and money damages.... for which we as comsumers will pay for in the long run, not BP.
 
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Foggy,

Thanks for all that wonderful information. Never personally worked an oil spill but what you said here tallies 100% with the information my MST buddies have told me. This is no doubt of the best posts on this subject that has been seen anywhere, particularly including the coverage by the media.

Bravo Zulu!!:clap::clap::clap:


 
I have gotten a lot of positive emails about the thread and have been told I should publish it, for which I tell them I don't have much time for that.

Currently my company is sending a lot of people to the Gulf from Alaska to train and work the cleanup.

I have been working on getting a lot of Spill response equipment ready to be shipped to the region and appears I will be following shortly to operate the oil skimmers and train others as well.

Was looking forward to another summer running boats in Arctic Ocean in the Oil Fields, but that seems to be a pass this summer in a trade off from Polar Bears to Aligators....

But if you guys can copy and paste the starting thread and email it to others so they can see a bit of facts verses the "Norm", it may help others get a grasp on what to expect in the upcoming months.

Thanks all!

Mark
 
Fogtender
your thread is great.

tonight there was a show on history channel on the problems with trying to fix the blow out preventer it should have been able to be tripped electrically
and by robot by some hot shot thing to close and they all failed and on how the capture devices failed including the diamond saw and the final clip by the jaw to cut the pioe to get the last cap n it.

tom
 
Extremly good info Foggy, thank you for posting. Had a similar discussion / argument with a liberal friend a week or so ago. His position was of the doom and gloom nature; F'd up water supply, no seafood, possibly tainting of the food supply. After I suggested that he just go ahead and give me his gun collection and his cash and kill himself, I pointed out that is made of 100% organic material and came out of the ground to start with. Long term impact is in reality probably nearly zero. Maybe I am overly optimistic. I suspect the stuff has bubbled out of the ground and ocean floors forevever. Mother earth made it to start with.
 
I agree it was bubbling up before they drilled

Ain't there some them there tar pits in California

Didn't Jed find some bubbling up crude in the woods

What about the tar sands in Canada

tom
 
Thanks for the insight Fogtender....very informative and a real eye opener.

And thanks for all the hard work cleaning up this mess.
 
BP Exects "Coffey Spill"



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- BP Spills Coffee[/ame]
 
There is a show on the Science Channel on Monday night at 10:00 about the spill.
It is called Disaster in the gulf.

If it is like the one I saw earlier in the week it was pretty interesting lots of good video.

I think it is amazing that BP lets the video's out of their flubs but if one other company learns from their mistakes.

tom
 
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The oil that is now reaching the beaches has very little if any solvents left in it. What is left it the "Mousse" that I discribed earlier that would be hitting the beaches after being at sea for a month or longer.

It is a mess, but much easier to clean up because when it hits the beach, it just sits there and when dried can be picked up and put into a bag, even burned if required to.


"Mousse Patties" that are common all along the affected areas, don't put off a sheen that is common to fresh oil. As the water comes and goes over it, it will be rolled into a tarballs.

Moussed oil that is off the beach, again, note there is no sheen around the oil in it's last stage of decomposing. It is still deadly to birds that would come into contact with it and would stick to their feathers.
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Aerial shot of the Moussed oil coming into the coastal areas (brown stuff, black stuff is open water). Again there is no sheen from what is left of the weathered oil, it is just a mass like a chocolate pudding. It will kill off small animals that come into contact with it, but as it decomposes, it will become fertilizer and the plant life will grow off of it for the next bunch of years and will in the long run grow very well as it did in the EXXON Valdez and Selendang Ayu photos that I took during those spill cleanups.
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Well got one Marco Type I belt skimmer headed off to the Gulf with two boom boats and about six hundred feet of boom to work it.

Monday, got to look at another skimmer and then follow them down for a fun filled summer of being on the water sucking oil...

Got to buy all new duds for the hot weather, if I had been going to the North Slope to work in the Arctic Ocean, I was all set... Now I have to figure out what is in fashion for a sauna...
 
Sorry this photo turned out so big, maybe one of the mods can shrink it for me, don't seem to have the computer working well this week.

We are on standby until the Hurricane warning is lifted from the area. So far to date, we haven't had any oil to run the skimmer though, but it may still show up here in Mississippi since there is a lot of it out in the Gulf after three months of the leak. So far there is very little on the beaches compaired to what did come up. Most has evaproated, been burned off, broken up by wave action and warm water has sped up the Bacteria that eats it naturally.

Walked the beaches for a good part of the day and did find some of the first oil we had seen.


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I thought I had posted some more photos of the spill here in Mississippi, but may not have hit the submit reply so will try again.

Moved the oil skimmer to Bayou Caddy, Mississippi about a week ago. To date hadn't seen any oil until this morning when I posted the above post.

The first photo is of the skimmer when it operates by itself using water spray to push any oil to the middle for the belt to pickup. The belt sits under the water and a hydraulic driven propeller sucks the water though the belt material where the oil will stick to it and driven up the belt and scraped off into the tank. If large amounts of oil are encountered, then oil booms are attached below points where the spray booms mount, then they are towed by two boats. Those booms can be a couple hundred feet long and can make a large swath though oil collecting it on-board, when too much is encountered, a 15,000 gallon bladder can be towed behind the system to store the oil (so far only a couple of gallons have impacted this area)

Second photo is of me when we were running the Bayou's looking for oil... did find some grass, couple of sticks and a handful of minnows for which I took out very carefully and put back in the water.

Third photo is of the Beaches in Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi where there is a berm to keep the oil from coming up on the beach... So far the only real impact is the fact that the press has scared people from coming here to vacation, course Obama's went to Maine as well (is that leadership or what) instead of coming to the Gulf to show America the place is still a good place to come to...

Other than hot, pretty neat beaches here and nobody to bother you.
 

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