Want to stay married? Don't move in with your future spouse before you get married.

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Other studies have shown similar results.

Basically if you are young and move in with your lover before you get married you dramatically increase the chances you will end your relationship in a divorce.



Too Risky to Wed in Your 20s? Not if You Avoid Cohabiting First

Research shows that marrying young without ever having lived together with a partner makes for some of the lowest divorce rates​

By Brad Wilcox and Lyman Stone​
Feb. 5, 2022 12:01 am ET
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A marriage proposal in lower Manhattan, November 2021.​

Photo: Vlad Leto​
It’s now marriage proposal season—the time between Thanksgiving and Valentine’s Day when nearly 40% of couples decide to get engaged. The holidays tend to put people in mind of marriage. So what’s the best age to put a ring on it?​
It’s a question that weighs especially heavily on educated women, who find themselves caught between their career ambitions and pressure to settle down and start a family. The conventional wisdom is that they should get launched professionally in their 20s and wait until 30 or after to marry. Then they can establish themselves as independent adults before finding and pairing with an equally successful partner. This strategy is also supposed to maximize their odds of a lasting bond because the conventional wisdom also holds that early marriage increases the risk of divorce.​
The thinking goes that, if you wait until 30 or later to marry, you’re much more likely to have the maturity required both to make a good choice and to be a good spouse. The fact that the median age at first marriage for American women is now almost 29 (it’s 30 for men)—and higher still among those with at least a college degree—suggests that this view is widely held.​
When it comes to divorce, the research has generally backed up the belief that it’s best to wait until around 30 to tie the knot. The sociologist Nicholas Wolfinger of the University of Utah found that women who got married “too early” (mid-20s or earlier) were more likely to break up than their peers who married close to age 30.​
Previous breakups from cohabiting may give spouses experience with heading for the exit when the going gets tough.
As we recently discovered, however, there is an interesting exception to the idea that waiting until 30 is best. In analyzing reports of marriage and divorce from more than 50,000 women in the U.S. government’s National Survey of Family Growth (NFSG), we found that there is a group of women for whom marriage before 30 is not risky: women who married directly, without ever cohabiting prior to marriage. In fact, women who married between 22 and 30, without first living together, had some of the lowest rates of divorce in the NSFG.​
By contrast, for the approximately 70% of women in our sample who cohabited with one or more partners prior to marriage, the conventional wisdom held. For them, waiting until around 30 was linked to a lower risk of divorce.​
What’s going on here? For the average young adult, there’s undoubtedly some merit to waiting to marry in terms of the maturity factor, especially when considering marriage before age 20. But waiting too long also has its downsides. It often means accumulating relationship baggage—including a list of exes from cohabiting unions—that can weigh down their marriage once they tie the knot.​
The women who marry directly in their 20s are more likely to avoid picking up this baggage on the way to the altar. (As are the men.)​
The idea that cohabitation is risky is surprising, given that a majority of young adults believe that living together is a good way to pretest the quality of your partner and your partnership, thereby increasing the quality and stability of your marriage. But a growing body of research indicates that Americans who live together before marriage are less likely to be happily married and more likely to land in divorce court.​
In looking at the marital histories of thousands of women across the U.S., we found that women who cohabited were 15% more likely to get divorced.
Moreover, a Stanford study indicates that the risk is especially high for women who cohabited with someone besides their future husband. They were more than twice as likely to end up in divorce court.
About this pattern, the psychologist Galena Rhoades of the University of Denver observes, “We generally think that having more experience is better…. But what we find for relationships is just the opposite. Having more experience is related to having a less happy marriage later on.” One reason, her research suggests, is that previous cohabitations may give husbands and wives experience with breaking up from serious coresidential relationships, making them more likely to head for the exit when the going gets tough.​
In Prof. Rhoades’s estimation, having a history with other cohabiting partners may also make them compare their spouse critically to previous partners in ways that make them discount their husband or wife. Your husband David may be a responsible and reliable partner—but not as funny as Will or as good a lover as Nate, two other men you lived with prior to marriage. Keeping such critical comparisons in mind once you’re married can be corrosive.​
Another theory was articulated by a newly married 20-something couple, Joey and Samantha Paris, who live in Dallas. They met in New York City and surprised their peers by getting married at age 24 without first living together. From Joey’s vantage point, cohabitation often made his friends in finance more jaded about their relationship after they married. “I think that part of the allure of marriage has lost its luster because, in their eyes, they can get all the benefits of marriage” outside of marriage, he said. Joey remembers asking one friend who cohabited before marriage: “How’s it feel now? And he said, ‘I’ll be honest, not that different.’ He’s like: ‘I don’t get what the hype is about marriage.’”​
Joey and Samantha have had a very different experience. “I’ve been so surprised at the beauty of the mundane,” Samantha said, like cooking together, doing laundry together, decorating for Christmas together—not to mention spending the night together.​
We don’t know precisely why young women who marry directly in their 20s without cohabiting have comparatively low divorce rates.​
Is it less experience breaking up, fewer previous partners for comparison, a greater sense that marriage is a different relationship status, or the fact that such women are disproportionately religious? It’s not clear.​
What’s clear is this: If you’re a young woman thinking about getting married but worried about divorce, our research suggests that you need not wait until you’re 30—so long as you’ve found a good partner and don’t move in with anyone until after your wedding day.​
 
There is a lot to be said for the logic that if you have had and severed several co-habitation relationships, you not only haven't learned to work at keeping the relationship, but you likely do also not find that ,with the exception of a lawyer, actual marriage to be any different.

Historically, the institution of marriage was not about love. It was a financial arrangement. Marriage meant joint ownership of the assets and wealth collected or earned. And to protect the "partnership," exclusive access for sex; ie; monogamy, was inherent to the union.
It protected the partnership and rights of the progeny.

At least in legal terms.

Sustaining a long-term relationship with a sexual and life partner requires quite a bit of work, sacrifice and patience. Given the temptations, effort, understanding and ability to forgive as well as please a partner requires a tenacious 100% commitment to make it work. I believe in the eyes of most people these days; marriage no longer rises to that level of commitment.

The common practice of co-habitation is more like "going steady" and does not fit the model. As "marriage " is considered to make very little difference, they have the strength and tenacity of pubescent high-school trysts
 
My wife of 40 years this year in May....
Went out one time with her, showed up the next with some clothes and stuff. Been together ever since.
This was after a couple of non-live-in engagements with other chicks and my mindset I'd never ever get married.
 
Been with my wife 15 years, married 6. Never bought a pair of shoes without trying them on first.
Just curious, but how old were you when you got together 15 years ago?

Most of these studies specifically apply to people in their early 20's up to age 30. They find somewhat different results for older people (over 30).
 
Been with my wife 15 years, married 6. Never bought a pair of shoes without trying them on first.
I kept getting that advice when I was single. Problem I had with that analogy was knowing someone else had likely already put their feet in those shoes and that they could easily just walk away anytime.

To my thinking my feet would have to adjust to any new shoe. That would be on me. I considered getting to know the shoes, making careful comparisons, and being sure they would wear well and last before I bought in.

Same with a life partner. We are given a whole life in which to make hasty and bad decisions from which we can easily walk away without pain. To my mind, an intimate, emotional, and physical relationship is not amoung them.

It doesn't require a document registered with the state to keep a marriage working. Instead, it requires a selfless commitment by both parties. It's not our nature to be selfless, so, its work, hard work.
 
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I kept getting that advice when I was single. Problem I had with that analogy was knowing someone else had likely already put their feet in those shoes and that they could easily just walk away anytime.

To my thinking my feet would have to adjust to any new shoe. That would be on me. I considered getting to know the shoes, making careful comparisons, and being sure they would wear well and last before I bought in.

Same with a life partner. We are given a whole life in which to make hasty and bad decisions from which we can easily walk away without pain. To my mind, an intimate, emotional, and physical relationship is not amoung them.

It doesn't require a document registered with the state to keep a marriage working. Instead, it requires a selfless commitment by both parties. It's not our nature to be selfless, so, its work, hard work
My first wife and I got married after a short time, right after she got pregnant. I thought I was doing the right thing and we could make it work. WRONG.
 
My first wife and I got married after a short time, right after she got pregnant. I thought I was doing the right thing and we could make it work. WRONG.
Sorry to hear that.
Apparently, even though they didn't fit well, you ended up having to buy those shoes.
 
Other studies have shown similar results.

Basically if you are young and move in with your lover before you get married you dramatically increase the chances you will end your relationship in a divorce.



Too Risky to Wed in Your 20s? Not if You Avoid Cohabiting First

Research shows that marrying young without ever having lived together with a partner makes for some of the lowest divorce rates​

By Brad Wilcox and Lyman Stone​
Feb. 5, 2022 12:01 am ET
im-478478

A marriage proposal in lower Manhattan, November 2021.​

Photo: Vlad Leto​
It’s now marriage proposal season—the time between Thanksgiving and Valentine’s Day when nearly 40% of couples decide to get engaged. The holidays tend to put people in mind of marriage. So what’s the best age to put a ring on it?​
It’s a question that weighs especially heavily on educated women, who find themselves caught between their career ambitions and pressure to settle down and start a family. The conventional wisdom is that they should get launched professionally in their 20s and wait until 30 or after to marry. Then they can establish themselves as independent adults before finding and pairing with an equally successful partner. This strategy is also supposed to maximize their odds of a lasting bond because the conventional wisdom also holds that early marriage increases the risk of divorce.​
The thinking goes that, if you wait until 30 or later to marry, you’re much more likely to have the maturity required both to make a good choice and to be a good spouse. The fact that the median age at first marriage for American women is now almost 29 (it’s 30 for men)—and higher still among those with at least a college degree—suggests that this view is widely held.​
When it comes to divorce, the research has generally backed up the belief that it’s best to wait until around 30 to tie the knot. The sociologist Nicholas Wolfinger of the University of Utah found that women who got married “too early” (mid-20s or earlier) were more likely to break up than their peers who married close to age 30.​
Previous breakups from cohabiting may give spouses experience with heading for the exit when the going gets tough.
As we recently discovered, however, there is an interesting exception to the idea that waiting until 30 is best. In analyzing reports of marriage and divorce from more than 50,000 women in the U.S. government’s National Survey of Family Growth (NFSG), we found that there is a group of women for whom marriage before 30 is not risky: women who married directly, without ever cohabiting prior to marriage. In fact, women who married between 22 and 30, without first living together, had some of the lowest rates of divorce in the NSFG.​
By contrast, for the approximately 70% of women in our sample who cohabited with one or more partners prior to marriage, the conventional wisdom held. For them, waiting until around 30 was linked to a lower risk of divorce.​
What’s going on here? For the average young adult, there’s undoubtedly some merit to waiting to marry in terms of the maturity factor, especially when considering marriage before age 20. But waiting too long also has its downsides. It often means accumulating relationship baggage—including a list of exes from cohabiting unions—that can weigh down their marriage once they tie the knot.​
The women who marry directly in their 20s are more likely to avoid picking up this baggage on the way to the altar. (As are the men.)​
The idea that cohabitation is risky is surprising, given that a majority of young adults believe that living together is a good way to pretest the quality of your partner and your partnership, thereby increasing the quality and stability of your marriage. But a growing body of research indicates that Americans who live together before marriage are less likely to be happily married and more likely to land in divorce court.​
In looking at the marital histories of thousands of women across the U.S., we found that women who cohabited were 15% more likely to get divorced.
Moreover, a Stanford study indicates that the risk is especially high for women who cohabited with someone besides their future husband. They were more than twice as likely to end up in divorce court.
About this pattern, the psychologist Galena Rhoades of the University of Denver observes, “We generally think that having more experience is better…. But what we find for relationships is just the opposite. Having more experience is related to having a less happy marriage later on.” One reason, her research suggests, is that previous cohabitations may give husbands and wives experience with breaking up from serious coresidential relationships, making them more likely to head for the exit when the going gets tough.​
In Prof. Rhoades’s estimation, having a history with other cohabiting partners may also make them compare their spouse critically to previous partners in ways that make them discount their husband or wife. Your husband David may be a responsible and reliable partner—but not as funny as Will or as good a lover as Nate, two other men you lived with prior to marriage. Keeping such critical comparisons in mind once you’re married can be corrosive.​
Another theory was articulated by a newly married 20-something couple, Joey and Samantha Paris, who live in Dallas. They met in New York City and surprised their peers by getting married at age 24 without first living together. From Joey’s vantage point, cohabitation often made his friends in finance more jaded about their relationship after they married. “I think that part of the allure of marriage has lost its luster because, in their eyes, they can get all the benefits of marriage” outside of marriage, he said. Joey remembers asking one friend who cohabited before marriage: “How’s it feel now? And he said, ‘I’ll be honest, not that different.’ He’s like: ‘I don’t get what the hype is about marriage.’”​
Joey and Samantha have had a very different experience. “I’ve been so surprised at the beauty of the mundane,” Samantha said, like cooking together, doing laundry together, decorating for Christmas together—not to mention spending the night together.​
We don’t know precisely why young women who marry directly in their 20s without cohabiting have comparatively low divorce rates.​
Is it less experience breaking up, fewer previous partners for comparison, a greater sense that marriage is a different relationship status, or the fact that such women are disproportionately religious? It’s not clear.​
What’s clear is this: If you’re a young woman thinking about getting married but worried about divorce, our research suggests that you need not wait until you’re 30—so long as you’ve found a good partner and don’t move in with anyone until after your wedding day.​
Haha, interesting!
But in this day and age, everybody ignores these facts
 
When you have been married + - 50 times I don't think it matters.
It sure looks better to live together after marriage.
 
That's is always a bad sign if you've never lived with your gf/bf before marriage. Because I think that all the major problems begin when you begin to move in with the person you love and want to marry.
Clearly if you move in without actually knowing the person's real values that is the start of the problem. The data is pretty clear. If you are young and you move in with your 'love' interest you will end up in divorce. Too many irrational people doing impulsive things.
 
You can divorce in any case. If people stop loving each other and it doesn't matter when you moved in
You are denying reality.

Read the evidence. This is not the first of several studies that come to similar conclusions. If you are a young adult and move in with your lover you have a higher rate of divorce in the future than if you wait.

There are other divorce risks too. For example, 2 people who grew up in families where there was no history of divorce in either family, then the newly married couple have a high chance of remaining married.

If 1 of those people grew up in a family where there was divorce, then the odds of the newly married couple getting divorced increase. If 1 of those people grew up in a family where there were multiple divorces then the odds of the new married couple getting a future divorce increase even more.

If both sides of that couple, intending to get married, come from broken families, the odds of that couple remaining married are actually fairly slim.
 
You are denying reality.

Read the evidence. This is not the first of several studies that come to similar conclusions. If you are a young adult and move in with your lover you have a higher rate of divorce in the future than if you wait.

There are other divorce risks too. For example, 2 people who grew up in families where there was no history of divorce in either family, then the newly married couple have a high chance of remaining married.

If 1 of those people grew up in a family where there was divorce, then the odds of the newly married couple getting divorced increase. If 1 of those people grew up in a family where there were multiple divorces then the odds of the new married couple getting a future divorce increase even more.

If both sides of that couple, intending to get married, come from broken families, the odds of that couple remaining married are actually fairly slim.
The basic problem is a lack of discipline in one or both partners. This "discipline" comes from the up bringing environment of the children. So, logically, children of divorce were often not given the gift of discipline. It follows, most do not then, work to keep the relationship they promised in the heat of youthful passion.

Discipline is an essential element of a happy and satisfied life. Without discipline, we are at the mercy of temptations to our mind and body. It keeps us within the boundaries for which we have set ourselves.
 
Historically, traditional marriage was about financial stability an, patent knowledge of the progeny, and who gets the cows when dad dies.
Today it is more about being in love. A good thing.

The reason the old ways were more permanent was because the understanding of the "contract" made it about permanence, not romance.

In truth, we humans all hold three traits.

We are fickle
We are curious
We are greedy

The marriage "Contract" kept these traits under control yes, but at often at the cost of happiness. And in these modern times, happiness cannot come to many unless they satisfy these traits.

True friendship, true companionship, true love, happens when both parties of the partnership put the needs and desires of the other before their own.
 
Ran across this today

SUMMARY

Marriage is based on the truth that men and women are complementary, the biological fact that reproduction depends on a man and a woman, and the reality that children need a mother and a father. Redefining marriage does not simply expand the existing understanding of marriage; it rejects these truths. Marriage is society’s least restrictive means of ensuring the well-being of children. By encouraging the norms of marriage—monogamy, sexual exclusivity, and permanence—the state strengthens civil society and reduces its own role. The future of this country depends on the future of marriage. The future of marriage depends on citizens understanding what it is and why it matters and demanding that government policies support, not undermine, true marriage.

R Anderson

The marriage contract is about monogamy and consent to have relations. It is at its core, a financial relationship based on mutual compatibility and, hopefully, love.

"Marriage is about knowing "who's children are these and who gets the cows when I die."
Eser Perel
 
I kept getting that advice when I was single. Problem I had with that analogy was knowing someone else had likely already put their feet in those shoes and that they could easily just walk away anytime.

To my thinking my feet would have to adjust to any new shoe. That would be on me. I considered getting to know the shoes, making careful comparisons, and being sure they would wear well and last before I bought in.

Same with a life partner. We are given a whole life in which to make hasty and bad decisions from which we can easily walk away without pain. To my mind, an intimate, emotional, and physical relationship is not amoung them.

It doesn't require a document registered with the state to keep a marriage working. Instead, it requires a selfless commitment by both parties. It's not our nature to be selfless, so, its work, hard work.
Spot on...Marriage contract really does nothing at all other than spilt and manage assets. The shoes brand new fit your feet well can be tried on (worn) by others when you least expect it, but the shoes are yours! Kinda like a classic hot rod you love to drive with low miles you keep in the garge. The car is titled to you and you love to drive it,if some one takes it for a spin parks it back in the normal spot. You would only be shocked/Betrayed to find some one allowed another to drive your car! But the car is STILL YOURS and always there for you to drive unless you sell it!
 
I have been married several times and tried out the shoes for a couple more times. Just a little advice for the people who want to make a contract with the shoes before you wear them. Be damn sure the contract states just what you want to happen if the shoes end up at your neighbor's house. There are states where you can try on the shoes and wear them as long as you want to and then throw them away when you decide you do not need them anymore. If you find that rare pair of shoes that you just can't give up even after they are old and wore out you can keep them and enjoy the way they feel and how they make you happy.
In other words, if you plan on living with another person be sure you are living in a state that does not accept common law marriages.
 
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