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We won a bid today from the state of PA who is paying for 50% of the cost of a Decked out RTV900 for a resident of the state. Its being done by the office of vocational rehab. I am assuming that the guy was probably injured for some reason and needs assistance. However, why on earth does anyone "need" a $13,000 RTV900. If someone must have some sort of transportation there are much cheaper ways to meet this need (if there is a ligit need at all, i have a hard time imaging a circumstance where the state should be doing this at all). It makes me ill knowing that my tax money is being used to buy an RTV for someone's personal use.
 
Since when is the government obligated to provide transportation to citizens?

And realistically, an RTV is just a fancy 4wd golf cart on steroids that is not street legal so where is this going to be used? Certainly not on the roadway!
 
Neil you might want to follow up and do an 'of interest' story on him, featuring it on your website or in a newletter; since your selling it to him. You might find out he is truely justified in needing it. Sometime life is stranger than anything we could imagine .....course you also might find out he has friends in the right places and he's getting taken care of. :o
 
Yea, don't get me wrong. I am sure the guy is in need of somthing. I just question why on earth an RTV. I am sure it was because they offered to buy the guy somthing so he shot for the latest and greatest. Time will tell, we will be delivering the thing soon enough and I am sure there will be a story.
 
I'm sure that it is well meant . And , I applaud the effort. It's a lot like the Habitat for Humanity Houses I've seen built in this area . (only two ) They haven't been kept up at all . It's a shame really . But, then maybe I' m only seeing a small percentage of those that require help.
 
My father was crippled with the same condition that I have, Charcot_Marie_Tooth, a nerve disorder that makes the nerves not tell the muscles what to do. He had an electric chair and an electric scooter. With Medicare and private insurance he had to buy both himself! I will be the next user of both, someday.

Why a RTV? they can not be used on the road, in stores, in homes, etc. They surely can not be transported easily as other items such as what dad had. they are more expensive, and not as nimble as either of the above. Sounds like a story for sure, and not one that will make political types happy. You are correct to be concerned, this is out of whack..........but then the gov also buys very expensive hammers etc, just to spend the money on something

Tell you what, when you find out, let me know, I may be in need of a few things to help me take care of the place (aka farm). New Kubota 3030, with all the trimmin's, you know for transportation needs.
 
nixon said:
I'm sure that it is well meant . And , I applaud the effort. It's a lot like the Habitat for Humanity Houses I've seen built in this area . (only two ) They haven't been kept up at all . It's a shame really . But, then maybe I' m only seeing a small percentage of those that require help.
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The wife and I had a friend when we got married that got the first Habitat house in our area..........even a photo spread in the paper. She thru the first and ONLY shovel of dirt. Seems her income was so low that she deserved it...............not counting her side job for cash, her bf job which he lived in the apartments (section 8) and her kids (with child support). New house for free basically, it is now a total wreck, just like the apartment was..........and they were glad to get rid of her, and him, and the kids, and the dogs, cats, and all the mess, and stinch, you get the picture. But hey, she deserved it, with her low income etc.
 
Habitant for Humanity is a private, charitable organization with a religious background (faith-based charity, favored by our current leaders). They have a rigorous selection procedure and require some sweat equity. The vast majority of the new homeowners are proud of their houses and keep them up to high standards.

The idea of helping people own a house was initially proposed by Jack Kemp, a respected Republican who was the head of HUD (Housing & Urban Developement) at the time. He proposed that instead of providing "project" housing and/of Section 8 rentals, the money would be better spent helping people buy houses and helping them to build self-respect. This is a perfect example of the "teach a man to fish" philosophy, and it generally works very well.

I'm sure there is an occasional dud. Hell, I've seen people in upscale neighborhoods spend real money on houses and turn them into dumps. Lack of maintenance is not restricted to the poor! It might also pay to look into the specific circumstances of these houses; one might find illness or other legitimate reasons why maintenance has slipped.

I find posts like some of these, which imply that all participants in a program like Habitant for Humanity are deadbeats, are irresponsible at best. Please, please, please, do your research before painting with such a broad brush. I also suggest that instead of complaining, it might be more productive to look into the situation, and help instead of whining if the help is legitimately needed. That's the idea behind Habitant for Humanity in the first place.
 
OkeeDon said:
I find posts like some of these, which imply that all participants in a program like Habitant for Humanity are deadbeats, are irresponsible at best. Please, please, please, do your research before painting with such a broad brush. I also suggest that instead of complaining, it might be more productive to look into the situation, and help instead of whining if the help is legitimately needed. That's the idea behind Habitant for Humanity in the first place.
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OMG! I can't believe I completely agree with Don on an issue. :beer: I've seen HH do a lot of good around here and most people keep their properties up pretty good. Much better success rate than the government housing projects and other similar tax funded social programs.

Now if we can just get Don to trade his broad conservative brush for a trim brush.....;) :thumb: :D
 
The big difference between Habitat for Humanity giving someone a house, and the RTV that some governmental agency is giving to someone is that Habitat for Huminity is a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with a mission statement to provide people houses. While the GOVERNMENT is not in the business to provide people private transportation. THIS IS AN ABUSE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS. Period. Habitat for Humanity tries to pick deserving people, they are a volunteer based group, they do a lot of good and they do have failures (which is normal) but it is a charity and it is doing what it is designed to do. The RTV that Neil is selling is certainly a luxury item, and no matter how sick or hard on his luck the user who is receiving it is, it is still wrong for the government to provide it.
 
Cityboy said:
OMG! I can't believe I completely agree with Don on an issue. :beer: I've seen HH do a lot of good around here and most people keep their properties up pretty good. Much better success rate than the government housing projects and other similar tax funded social programs.

Now if we can just get Don to trade his broad conservative brush for a trim brush.....;) :thumb: :D
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We've been financial supporters of HH for many years, and one of my biggest disappointments over my heart problems was that when I finally got time to help build, I'm not physically able.

Ask Bob whether I really have a broad brush with all conservatives, or just can't stand the current administration, no matter what their philosophy. I'm more fiscally conservative than the Bush administration and you should hear me some time on treatment of serious criminals -- the death penalty is too good for them.
 
OkeeDon said:
Habitant for Humanity is a private, charitable organization with a religious background (faith-based charity, favored by our current leaders). They have a rigorous selection procedure and require some sweat equity. The vast majority of the new homeowners are proud of their houses and keep them up to high standards.

The idea of helping people own a house was initially proposed by Jack Kemp, a respected Republican who was the head of HUD (Housing & Urban Developement) at the time. He proposed that instead of providing "project" housing and/of Section 8 rentals, the money would be better spent helping people buy houses and helping them to build self-respect. This is a perfect example of the "teach a man to fish" philosophy, and it generally works very well.

I'm sure there is an occasional dud. Hell, I've seen people in upscale neighborhoods spend real money on houses and turn them into dumps. Lack of maintenance is not restricted to the poor! It might also pay to look into the specific circumstances of these houses; one might find illness or other legitimate reasons why maintenance has slipped.

I find posts like some of these, which imply that all participants in a program like Habitant for Humanity are deadbeats, are irresponsible at best. Please, please, please, do your research before painting with such a broad brush. I also suggest that instead of complaining, it might be more productive to look into the situation, and help instead of whining if the help is legitimately needed. That's the idea behind Habitant for Humanity in the first place.
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One other thing is the fact that all HH homes require the person that receives a home has to PAY BACK the loan (yeah it has a much lower interest rate) and the person also has to put in sweat equity in helping to build other HH homes. Most folks do not know that the fact that these loans have to be paid back, For some strange reason people think that these homes are given to the folks and that flat out is NOT TRUE.

I have worked over the years as a voluteer on several HH homes and the majority of my work is because it makes me feel good. Most of my work was putting in the landscraping and fences around the lot to allow them to have pets in the backyard. This was from the fact I think that all families with young chrildren should have a pet as it makes the kids more responsible (they have to care for the dogs and I do follow ups on the dogs) later in life.
 
It might suprise you and Don as well, that I also agree with him on this issue and I'm very pleased to admit it!!!:pat:
 
B_Skurka said:
The big difference between Habitat for Humanity giving someone a house, and the RTV that some governmental agency is giving to someone is that Habitat for Huminity is a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with a mission statement to provide people houses. While the GOVERNMENT is not in the business to provide people private transportation. THIS IS AN ABUSE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS. Period. Habitat for Humanity tries to pick deserving people, they are a volunteer based group, they do a lot of good and they do have failures (which is normal) but it is a charity and it is doing what it is designed to do. The RTV that Neil is selling is certainly a luxury item, and no matter how sick or hard on his luck the user who is receiving it is, it is still wrong for the government to provide it.
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Bob, once again I agree with you 100%! I think at this rate, you and I will even agree that Bill Clinton and Bush Sr should run on the same ticket in a shared presidency. What do you say?
Bone(stuffed up)head
 
Bob, once again I agree with you 100%! I think at this rate, you and I will even agree that Bill Clinton and Bush Sr should run on the same ticket in a shared presidency. What do you say?
Bone(stuffed up)head :whistle: :pat: :a1: :applause:

a little lighthearted humor, what a cool thing to do.
 
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