Tesla right behind F-150 for best selling vehicle in the last 9 months
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The lovely Mrs_Bob and I considered one of the Model Ys for her. It is certainly a unique 'SUV' with lots of practical features. Honestly it came pretty darn close to filling our needs. From the looks standpoint the Hyundai Ionic 5 is, subjectively nicer. But the Model Y has plenty of positive features. I can certainly believe it is a top selling vehicle, I see them everywhere I drive when I go into the Suburban areas.
chowderman
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all that indicates to me is . . .
in the general population, no one can afford a new car anymore.
people who can afford the price tag on a Tesla, , , their problems are not in sync with the Ford population.
in the general population, no one can afford a new car anymore.
people who can afford the price tag on a Tesla, , , their problems are not in sync with the Ford population.
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Actually the Tesla prices are DROPPING and, at least some models, are very competitive with ICE cars of similar size and features. Of course, feature comparison is pretty subjective in areas like looks, etc.
I also suspect that many people simply can't afford to buy ANY new car, not just limited to the EVs that typically command a somewhat higher price tag to comparable ICE cars. The "average" car on the road today is roughly 12 years old, that is a record, which could be due to better build quality or it could be do the unaffordability of all new vehicles?
Based on numerous published media reports, we know is that ALL electric vehicle sales comprise less than 10% of new car sales. We also know that Tesla sells the bulk of the EVs sold in the US. We also know that Ford, VW, GM, Hyundai are all saying that their EVs sit on dealership lots, on average, twice as long as ICE vehicles. We also know that many legacy dealers are refusing to accept new EV shipments due to slow sales. We also know that Cadillac has sold ALL its production for the new LYRIC, but it has very low production numbers. We know that the Honda/GM joint partnership to build "affordable" EVs has been terminated and that FORD is cutting back, to the tune of BILLIONS, its investments in EVs.
Sales may not be quite what people anticipated. But they are growing every month. I'm not saying they're the answer, there are times I second guess my purchase. But sales are up. Remember there's a lot of ice vehicle sitting on the lots also.
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Ford hits new EV sales record in Nov as Lightning becomes bestselling electric truck
Lightning electric pickup sales were up 113% last month, propelling Ford to a new EV sales record in November. Ford...
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I think Ev's have gotten to the point it is no longer a purchase of conscience to save the planet but whether or not they fit the lifestyle of the buyer. Thye are arguably at a price point that is competitive with IC vehicles but still must past the test of viability and cohesiveness with the life style of the buyer.
That is where we should be with EV's vrs IC products in the marketplace.
Unfortunately, our government has put its thumb on the scales. There is where I have conflict..
Right now, My wife has a Pacifica. She could use the model "Y" as her only trips are to the school, 1 mile away for Madison, and work at GM, a 15 mile trip. For everything else we have a 2002 Jeep Cherokee and two one-ton Dodge trucks from the seventies. His and hers.
Olso two Chrysler Crossfires. His and hers.
I dare anyone to try and talk her out of her Pacifica.
I'm keeping the Crossfires for coffins.
At 76 years old, I dare anyone to try and talk me into being practical. The sex is too good so, she keeps the Pacifica. I'd sell the trucks first but, no EV's for some time to come.
That is where we should be with EV's vrs IC products in the marketplace.
Unfortunately, our government has put its thumb on the scales. There is where I have conflict..
Right now, My wife has a Pacifica. She could use the model "Y" as her only trips are to the school, 1 mile away for Madison, and work at GM, a 15 mile trip. For everything else we have a 2002 Jeep Cherokee and two one-ton Dodge trucks from the seventies. His and hers.
Olso two Chrysler Crossfires. His and hers.
I dare anyone to try and talk her out of her Pacifica.
I'm keeping the Crossfires for coffins.
At 76 years old, I dare anyone to try and talk me into being practical. The sex is too good so, she keeps the Pacifica. I'd sell the trucks first but, no EV's for some time to come.
We also know Tesla is going to set another production and sales number for 2023. Sine Legacy is going soft on EV's I ony expect Tesla's market share to increase.
My sources state 12% was this year's percentage of the auto market overall. Next year It is expected to grow to nearly 20% at 18%
For Tessla this means a large number of cars. It is about cost per mile for me, and they have it down.
Dealers here (greater Chicagoland and northern Indiana) have very LOW inventory levels.Sales may not be quite what people anticipated. But they are growing every month. I'm not saying they're the answer, there are times I second guess my purchase. But sales are up. Remember there's a lot of ice vehicle sitting on the lots also.
Ford hits new EV sales record in Nov as Lightning becomes bestselling electric truck
Lightning electric pickup sales were up 113% last month, propelling Ford to a new EV sales record in November. Ford...
I think it would be more accurate to say that vehicles are sitting on the lots longer than they used to sit. Which I think goes back to the "affordability" issue brought up by chowderman
I saw a report today on TV saying UNDER 10% for the total EV market in the US new car sales
This report, released this month, says it is lower.
According to the same link below, Tesla sold roughly 157,000 vehicles in Q3 of 2023, Hyundai, the next largest EV producer, sold roughly 30,000
Electric Vehicle Sales and Market Share (US - Q1 2025 Updates)
Automakers are rapidly launching electrified lineups. This page will be updated with the latest EV market share and sales numbers in 2025.
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The first sentence says will the others catch Tesla?I saw a report today on TV saying UNDER 10% for the total EV market in the US new car sales
This report, released this month, says it is lower.
According to the same link below, Tesla sold roughly 157,000 vehicles in Q3 of 2023, Hyundai, the next largest EV producer, sold roughly 30,000
Electric Vehicle Sales and Market Share (US - Q1 2025 Updates)
Automakers are rapidly launching electrified lineups. This page will be updated with the latest EV market share and sales numbers in 2025.
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That says it all. Words we have heard for years now. I get so tired of bull shit, don't know who pays the bill other than a left hater of Elon.
The truth is in the news btw. Legacy auto for now are scaling back production drastically because of lack of sales.
The numbers I trust are those insiders who I have posted many You Tubes on this forum. Obviously, you did not watch, then check them out.
Do you realize the left would love to drain Elon of his money? Kill him if they could get away with it too?
Elon has the same target Trump has on his back. 2024 all hell could break out as the desperation grows.
Propaganda against Elon and Tesla is everywhere, even in the equity markets. Vet your source. Find pro Telsa analyst.
In the time I have fallowed Tesla, these guys are honest, and know Tesla inside and out. All the others are throwing rocks of propaganda to bend public opinion to their mind set.
Yes it is that bad in our nation today. Most info on TV and the net is propaganda. Not many players can pull off such an extensive and this big of a propaganda Against our nation. The WEF, Clouse Schwab even says publicly he loves the Chinese system of control of their people. Now there are major players in unison attacking us every single day with propaganda.
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I like this guy. Young and educated, married with a budding family . Just Listen a few minutes and become informed without the bull shit propaganda. In not very long you will realize this dude knows Tesla.
Since Elon bought Twitter there have been 13 lawsuits filed by federal agencies under the Biden administration. The left is trying everything in the book to frame Musk, cut him away and demonize him. All done with tax dollars.
Looks like FORD decided to cut their F150 Lightning production IN HALF.
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Ford's "Test For EV Adoption" Fails: Carmaker Slashes Production Plans For Electric F-150 In Half
Less than a week after Elon Musk unveiled his apocalypse-surviving, Porsche-out-accelerating, bulletproof CyberTruck, Ford's EV effort is crashing on the Biden-administration ignited fire of unaffordability and high costs.
Having signaled in October during its Q3 earnings call plans to “adjust” production of its all-electric vehicles and delay about $12 billion in investments due to softening demand for higher-priced premium electric vehicles; a memo to suppliers - which was viewed and reported first tonight by Automotive News- indicated plans beginning in January to produce an average of about 1,600 Lightning trucks a week at its Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan.
Ford had planned for an annual production capacity of 150,000 Lightnings a year, or about 3,200 a week.
That means its production target for 2024 has been halved.
“We’ll continue to match production with customer demand,” a Ford spokeswoman said Monday.
In May 2021, during a flashy introduction, Ford CEO Jim Farley told reporters that the electric F-150 could serve as a proxy for how mainstream buyers will accept battery power.
It would appear Ford failed that test.
Obviously, while this could be an idiosyncratic F-150 issue, it does not bode well for overall EV adoption... and along with it, the Biden administration's plans to save the world.
The senior economist at FreedomWorks and former senior economic adviser to President Trump told Fox News in an interview.
President Biden has set a goal of 50% of all new vehicles by 2030 being either EVs or plug-in hybrids.
chowderman
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I found this interesting:
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Congress at the urging of the Biden administration agreed in 2021 to spend $7.5 billion to build tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers across the country, aiming to appease anxious drivers while tackling climate change.
Two years later, the program has yet to install a single charger.
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article in Politico
dateline: 12/05/2023 05:00 AM EST
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Congress at the urging of the Biden administration agreed in 2021 to spend $7.5 billion to build tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers across the country, aiming to appease anxious drivers while tackling climate change.
Two years later, the program has yet to install a single charger.
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article in Politico
dateline: 12/05/2023 05:00 AM EST
Production PLANS you made a click bait title even more so.Looks like FORD decided to cut their F150 Lightning production IN HALF.
ZeroHedge
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Ford's "Test For EV Adoption" Fails: Carmaker Slashes Production Plans For Electric F-150 In HalfLess than a week after Elon Musk unveiled his apocalypse-surviving, Porsche-out-accelerating, bulletproof CyberTruck, Ford's EV effort is crashing on the Biden-administration ignited fire of unaffordability and high costs.Having signaled in October during its Q3 earnings call plans to “adjust” production of its all-electric vehicles and delay about $12 billion in investments due to softening demand for higher-priced premium electric vehicles; a memo to suppliers - which was viewed and reported first tonight by Automotive News- indicated plans beginning in January to produce an average of about 1,600 Lightning trucks a week at its Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan.Ford had planned for an annual production capacity of 150,000 Lightnings a year, or about 3,200 a week.That means its production target for 2024 has been halved.“We’ll continue to match production with customer demand,” a Ford spokeswoman said Monday.In May 2021, during a flashy introduction, Ford CEO Jim Farley told reporters that the electric F-150 could serve as a proxy for how mainstream buyers will accept battery power.
It would appear Ford failed that test.Obviously, while this could be an idiosyncratic F-150 issue, it does not bode well for overall EV adoption... and along with it, the Biden administration's plans to save the world.The senior economist at FreedomWorks and former senior economic adviser to President Trump told Fox News in an interview.
President Biden has set a goal of 50% of all new vehicles by 2030 being either EVs or plug-in hybrids.
I would say it's more their gearing up for the t3, and also to see what the cyber truck sales numbers are. As ugly as it is, it's a serious contender. Month by month sales numbers on the lightning are up.
Ford just had its best-ever month for EVs
Ford just had what was its best performance in terms of electric vehicle sales ever, making tremendous strides through attractive offerings as its brand continues to navigate a monumental change in the global automotive sector. Ford has tasted so much success throughout its history as an...
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Ford sold a total of 144,000 vehicles according to the article. Record sales for the Electric LIGHTNING but still under 9000 F150/Lightnings sold. That seems pretty underwhelming in real terms. How much did they lose per truck they sold?Ford just had its best-ever month for EVs
Ford just had what was its best performance in terms of electric vehicle sales ever, making tremendous strides through attractive offerings as its brand continues to navigate a monumental change in the global automotive sector. Ford has tasted so much success throughout its history as an...
Reread the article. Half of what they sold in Nov were lightnings. Pretty good considering the F-150 is the top selling vehicle in the United States.
chowderman
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" . . . the F-150 is the top selling vehicle . . "
so was the Edsel, in it's first year.
just saying . . .
so was the Edsel, in it's first year.
just saying . . .
The F-150 has been the top selling vehicle since 1981 I believe
I did re-read it. I was wrong. I actually inflated the EV sales of Ford Lightnings in my prior post by DOUBLE.
After more careful reading, Ford sold a total of 144,400 vehicles.
Ford sold a total of 8958 Electric Vehicles.
Ford sold roughly 4393 Lightnings.
Ford sold roughly 4294 Mustang Mach Es.
That is very underwhelming.
, I think you need to reread it again. You're looking at November's numbers, not year numbers.
The title of the article specially says "MONTH" in the title
The article link you posted claims that 4393 Ford Lightnings sold are "strong sales numbers".
Bear in mind the PRIOR article mentioned in this thread said that Ford was cutting production of LIGHTNINGHS down to 1600 per week, which is still more than they are selling per month.
Compared to Tesla, and also in real terms of production, this seems pretty underwhelming to me.
Quotations from the article: (these numbers are TOTAL vehicle sales not EV sales)
"1,243,695 new vehicles were sold in the U.S. in November, and Ford sold 144,453"
And right here are the TOTAL EV sales for Ford:
"However, Ford’s numbers are skyrocketing, especially with the F-150 Lightning, which increased in sales by 113 percent, which helped it capture its best month for EV sales as a company with 8,958."
And here are the LIGHTNING sales:
F-150 Lightning sales accounted for 4,393 units of the 8,958 it sold in November.
And here are the Mustang Mach E sales:
the Mustang Mach-E saw a 21.3 percent increase, too. Ford sold 4,294 for the month.
On the last two quotes. Please read the last word of each quote
Sorry my phone is playing tricks. Yes you understand month.
I did. They refer to MONTHLY sales.
And as noted, your article that you linked talks about MONTHLY sales.
Clearly I don't understand your point.
But if a company that sells 144,400 units per month in total, and under 9000 of those are EVs, then that is a pretty small % of the total. That also seems to be in line with the lack of popularity of EVs right now in the eyes of consumers and that number also seems to be very near the national average of EVs sold as a percentage of total vehicles sold (6.2% of Ford's Sales). Looks like, based on a prior post in this thread, from the same source, that roughly 7% of all vehicles sold are EVs.
chowderman
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but not the electric version . . .
Yep, my phone was playing tricks and I was not getting everything downloaded for some reason. Unfortunately I'm still in the working class. My point was as stated earlier they can't cut production of something they haven't produced. They can cut production plans. They can cut pre-production. But you can't cut production numbers in half or any percentage if you're not producing that many in the first place.
Lol that's an understatement.