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Score another one for the wolves !!!

BigAl

Gone But Not Forgotten
About 6 weeks ago the wolves came up to my neighbors place and killed his hound dog . Earlier this week they came back and killed the female with pups !!!
Now he is hand feeding the pups . This is our local deputy who lives about 1/4 -1/2 mile north of me . Most nights you can hear the wolves howling all around us . Its getting bad around here . Soon it will be kids ! I now take a loaded gun out before the dogs take their last pee of the night .


God , how I love the idiots who started this mess ! NOT !!!!
 
Al, the PETA people and their friends at the Humane Society of the United States are all barking about the fact that WOLVES are rare and endangered.

I feel for you.

I'm one who believes in ecological balance, sadly I don't think some of our wildlife rules allow for balance and in some cases there seems to be clear favoritism for some species, the wolf being one of those favored animals. . . much to the dismay of rural ranchers!
 
Al, I just put a new scope on my 270.

You have room for me to sight it in at out to 400 yards? Can I come by this weekend?

Another thing, do you have anything around I can use for targets? :whistling:

Thanks in advance,

Jim
 
Al, I just put a new scope on my 270.

You have room for me to sight it in at out to 400 yards? Can I come by this weekend?

Another thing, do you have anything around I can use for targets? :whistling:

Thanks in advance,

Jim

I am really hoping they reopen the season on wolves again . I'll pay for my buddy's tags . This is bad !
 
I am really hoping they reopen the season on wolves again . I'll pay for my buddy's tags . This is bad !

I hope so too.

We never had wolves back home but there were several years we lost a lot of calves to coyotes. Spent a lot of cold mornings sitting on the top platform of a windmill with a 22-250 waiting for them to come by for a drink of water on the way back to their den.

Jim
 
I hope so too.

We never had wolves back home but there were several years we lost a lot of calves to coyotes. Spent a lot of cold mornings sitting on the top platform of a windmill with a 22-250 waiting for them to come by for a drink of water on the way back to their den.

Jim

I have done some pretty serious hunting and tracking in my day and wolfs are tough to hunt . You have about 1 second to make a decision should you see one . Usually I see about 2 or 3 a hunting season and I spend about 30 days in the back country . My one hope is the last wolf season was very long and I should get a shot if they open it back up the same as a couple years ok . I do not want the hide . Anybody interested if I do connect ???
 
Allen, it looks like the wolves are becoming a hot political issue, especially now that a federal judge has ruled (yet again).

See link for AP's full story => http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110410/ap_on_re_us/us_endangered_wolves_judge
Judge blocks deal on protections for wolves

By KEITH RIDLER, Associated Press – 2 hrs 11 mins ago

BOISE, Idaho – A federal judge has blocked a proposal to lift the endangered species protections for wolves in Montana and Idaho that had been hammered out by U.S. wildlife officials and conservation groups.
The plan could have led to public hunting of some 1,300 wolves in the two states.

In the 24-page decision, U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula, Mont., cited the court's lack of authority to put part of an endangered species population under state management and expose that population to hunting, noting "Congress has clearly determined that animals on the ESA (Endangered Species Act) must be protected as such," and the court couldn't "exercise its discretion to allow what Congress forbids."

. . .

The court decision came on the same day as Montana Democratic Sen. Jon Tester and Idaho Republican Rep. Mike Simpson announced wolves in Montana and Idaho would be taken off the endangered list under the budget bill pending before Congress.

One of the reasons the 10 conservation groups entered into the settlement with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service was because of growing political pressure and potential Congressional action to reduce wolf numbers in Montana and other states due a gradual increase of wolf attacks on livestock and some big-game herds suffering declines. The groups hoped a favorable court decision would provide greater protection for wolves than lawmakers might provide.

So the groups not only lost in court on Saturday, their fears concerning lawmakers removing federal protections for wolves also became more real.

"The congressional threat was very much on people's minds when we negotiated the settlement," said Andrew Wetzler of the Natural Resources Defense Council. "In light of the court ruling, it's going to make it more difficult to derail the rider that may well be attached to the budget deal that will provide much fewer protections for wolves than the settlement would have."

. . .

"I can't blame Molloy for the ruling," said Kieran Suckling of the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the 10 conservation groups favoring the settlement. "It's a very tortuous situation. We entered into a settlement agreement we didn't love but thought it was the lesser of two evils."

The Alliance for the Wild Rockies, one of the four plaintiffs in the lawsuit that did not agree to the settlement, said Molloy's rulings have consistently followed federal law, and his rejection of the settlement followed those same principles. Just because some of the plaintiffs agreed to the settlement doesn't make the deal any more legal, said Michael Garrity, the group's executive director.

"We think the fastest way to remove (wolves) is for everybody to work together so they can be legally removed from the endangered species list," Garrity said.

. . .
 
Al, got this in an email from the NRA-ILA today.


CR Provision Includes Partial Delisting of
Recovered Wolf Populations: An Important First Step

The National Rifle Association today thanked Members of Congress for taking an important step in the right direction for wolf and game species conservation. The continuing resolution FY 2011, scheduled for votes later this week, includes a general provision that delists certain populations of wolves from the Endangered Species Act. Wolf populations in Montana and Idaho as well as portions of Utah, Oregon and Washington would be declared recovered by reinstating the 2009 ruling from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), paving the way for regulated wolf hunting seasons. The NRA would also like to thank the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation, the Boone and Crockett Club, and Safari Club International for joining together in this important effort to place the states in charge of wolf conservation.

“With recovered populations of wolves across the Northwest, this Congressional action sends an important message to anti-hunting extremists -- politics and legal wrangling are not welcome when it comes to conservation,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. “Hunters are the true conservationists and wolves simply need to be managed through regulated hunting like so many other species. The partial delisting is a good start and we will be focused on a more comprehensive solution moving forward.”

Moose, elk and mule deer populations have been decimated in some areas where wolves are prevalent and the regulated hunting of wolves is long-overdue. The Congressional fix included in the continuing resolution would reinstate the 2009 science-based delisting ruling by FWS. This is an important first step in handing full control of wolf management to the states.

Wolf populations in the Rocky Mountains and Great Lakes region are at least five times larger than the original federal recovery goals according to FWS. Although the general provision in the continuing resolution only deals with a part of the area where wolves are recovered, other states may still propose new wolf management plans. Wyoming officials are currently negotiating with FWS in hopes of getting a new wolf management plan approved. NRA will continue to push for the regulated hunting of wolves where populations have recovered.

America’s rich hunting and conservation heritage depends on wildlife experts and biologists to set guidelines for a particular species. These wildlife experts and biologists have been demanding the regulated hunting of wolves that would result once management responsibility is shifted back to state control. Successful wolf hunting seasons were conducted in Idaho and Montana last year only to be thwarted by anti-hunting extremists in court. “It is time for science and the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation to prevail once more and we hope that Congress adopts this critical step forward in state-based wolf management,” concluded Cox.
 
AL....when I was growing um in cattle country if we lost one for one reason or another dad had a 12volt pump with a trocar.......0n a long hose...we would fill the ass and intestons with good old antifreese....carnavors always eat the ass first..and rip open the mid section and eat the intestons before the meat....would not be long and ya would start to find dead carnavors here and there...........Oh by the way..for any of holders monkeys listening in...all the Perps are now dead and under ground......ME....I was under 18 years old at the time of the aledged crime....so go back to your branch manager job!!!! I see in the news this morning...a lady figured out why Obumer has no birth papers.....:w00t2::w00t2::w00t2:...the libs will be screaming before the day is over!!!!:yum:
 
AL....when I was growing um in cattle country if we lost one for one reason or another dad had a 12volt pump with a trocar.......0n a long hose...we would fill the ass and intestons with good old antifreese....carnavors always eat the ass first..and rip open the mid section and eat the intestons before the meat....would not be long and ya would start to find dead carnavors here and there...........Oh by the way..for any of holders monkeys listening in...all the Perps are now dead and under ground......ME....I was under 18 years old at the time of the aledged crime....so go back to your branch manager job!!!! I see in the news this morning...a lady figured out why Obumer has no birth papers.....:w00t2::w00t2::w00t2:...the libs will be screaming before the day is over!!!!:yum:

The statute of limitations has way long expired on those nasty deeds.

I never would have thought of that way to get rid of them.:hammer:
 
Looks like Idaho is going to let you get some Wolf tags . . .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/ap_on_re_us/us_gray_wolves
Gray wolves go back to state control


BILLINGS, Mont. – The Obama administration on Wednesday moved to lift Endangered Species Act protections for 5,500 gray wolves in the Northern Rockies and Great Lakes, drawing the line on the predators' rapid expansion over the last two decades.
Public hunts for hundreds of wolves already are planned this fall in Idaho and Montana.
Conservationists have hailed the animal's recovery from near extinction last century as a landmark achievement — one that should be extended to the Pacific Northwest and New England.
But their return has stirred a backlash from agriculture and sporting groups angry over wolf attacks on livestock and big game herds.
Interior Department officials said Wednesday that the most suitable wolf habitat already was occupied. No further introductions of the species are planned.
Many biologists say wolves recovered to sustainable levels a decade ago in some parts of the lower 48 states. But it took a rider to the federal budget bill inserted by Western lawmakers to overcome years of lawsuits and lift protections for 1,300 wolves in the Northern Rockies.
The rider barred any courtroom challenges and marked the first time Congress has removed an animal listed under the endangered act. Protections for the Rockies wolves are to be lifted effective with a Thursday notice in the Federal Register.
About 4,200 wolves listed as threatened in the western Great Lakes also are slated to lose protections. That could happen by the end of this year, following the review of public comments received on the proposal over the next two months.
"From a biological perspective, gray wolves have recovered," said Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. "That is a remarkable milestone for an iconic American species."
The Great Lakes proposal also includes portions of North and South Dakota, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio, although government biologist Laura Ragan said no wolves permanently reside in those states.
A pending petition before the Interior Department seeks to extend the government's wolf recovery plan nationwide. But Noah Greenwald with the Center for Biological Diversity, the sponsor of the petition, said Wednesday's announcement made clear that the government has no such intentions.
"In our view wolf recovery is not done," Greenwald said. "We're disappointed with seeing the Fish and Wildlife Service attempt to get out from under it."
Fish and Wildlife officials said they plan to review the gray wolf's status in the Pacific Northwest and the desert Southwest.
Gray wolves also are coming off the list in eastern states, but officials say that's because emerging science indicates that another predator, the Eastern wolf, is the region's native wolf species. Those are now largely absent from the United States but occasionally wander from Canada into New England.
Idaho officials have said they want to reduce their state's wolf population to about 500 animals, versus current estimates of more than 700.
Rancher Royce Schwenkfelder, whose family arrived in the western Idaho town of Cambridge in the 1880s, said he feels more comfortable with wolves under state jurisdiction. But he was doubtful that wolves could be reduced to levels that will eliminate attacks on cattle that he runs on Indian Mountain. "The feds have filled us up with more wolves than we can handle," Schwenkfelder said.
Montana wildlife officials this week proposed a public hunt for up to 220 wolves this fall, out of a population estimated to number at least 566 animals. The state's Democratic U.S. Senators, Max Baucus and Jon Tester, said Wednesday that turning over control of wolves to state wildlife agencies was the right thing to do.
"State biologists need to manage them like any other recovered species," said Tester, who worked with Idaho Republican Rep. Mike Simpson to get the rider in the budget bill.
No hunts are planned immediately for small populations of wolves in Oregon, Washington and Utah.
In addition to the hunts, officials say wolves that attack livestock will continue to be removed by wildlife agents. More than 1,500 wolves have been killed for livestock attacks since the animals were reintroduced to the Northern Rockies from Canada in the 1990s.
Idaho state Rep. Judy Boyle, who sponsored a bill giving Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter the authority to declare a wolf disaster emergency, said hunting alone won't be enough to reduce the number of wolves to levels in which they aren't a threat to livestock or wildlife.
Under state management, Idaho will continue to ask federal wildlife agents to take out problem packs, including in north-central Idaho's Lolo area, where the state wants to kill dozens of wolves to help restore elk herds that have been hurt by predators and poor habitat, she said.
Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin have plans meant to keep the populations at healthy levels while allowing government agents to kill animals that can't be driven away. None would allow hunting or trapping for at least five years, although states could revise those plans.
Wednesday's announcement leaves the fate of about 340 wolves in Wyoming unresolved. Wyoming was carved out of attempts to restore state control over wolves because of a state law that would allow the animals to be shot on sight in most of the state.
Salazar and his staff have been negotiating for months over the issue with Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead.
Mead said Wednesday that he was hoping for an agreement with the administration to get a bill through Congress lifting protections in his state. The governor suggested legislation that was the only way to prevent lawsuits from environmentalists that could otherwise derail the effort.
 
Once I heard tell of folks taking 3 or 4 inch squares of foam rubber coating them with bacon grease and leaving them out for the coyotes. supposed to make their coats nice and shinny. Might work for wolves too, but be warned if they eat too many it might clog up their digestive tract and cause problems, like death.
 
Once I heard tell of folks taking 3 or 4 inch squares of foam rubber coating them with bacon grease and leaving them out for the coyotes. supposed to make their coats nice and shinny. Might work for wolves too, but be warned if they eat too many it might clog up their digestive tract and cause problems, like death.
My concern there would be the neighbors dogs, my dogs, and any of the hunting dogs that pass through my yard.
 
You have to pick your battles and your battle ground. Feral dogs cause lots of wildlife and stock problems (as do cats with small game and birds) I got called in by the local sheriff (old family friend) to help control feral dogs in my area that were running in packs and killing livestock (one farmer didn't have a single calf survive that year). The local residents were told to either pen up their pets for the next 3 weeks or risk losing them. We shot everything that came thru the old burn dump outside of town (3 or 4 pick up truckfuls) some had collars some didn't but the livestock killing stopped or was slowed down a bunch after that. Some of the problem might be the hunting dogs running loose.
 
The biggest predator problem in Northeast Kansas when we got here in '82 was feral dogs. We were living in the country then
and one weekend after a particularly bad month of predation on domestic animals and livestock an unsanctioned hunt was
organized. A pack of over 30 was totally eliminated and the problem went away.

You do what you have to.

 
How about letting the wolves loose in urban areas? They mostly hunt at night, might cut down on crime. They are welcome to eat any children they catch tagging my fence ;)
 
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