Pipeline of Hatred.......

[Junkman]

I don't want to hijack the other thread, so here is a new post that clearly explains what is going on in the Middle Eastern Religious World today...... Watch the entire film strip before making comments, because many of the reasons and questions will be answered by the time you get to the end. Junk

Click here to view.........

 

[XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq]

I think that is an excellent perspective on the situation. I'd love to see someone challenge this and try to de-bunk it.

 

[Cityboy]

Excellent information.

 

[HarryG]

Powerful.

 

[beds]

I like this message but find fault with associating the war in Iraq as a Christian vs. Muslim war; and anti-globalization as anti-semitic. Sorry, but saying that if you're left wing you are against the Jews and for the Muslims is not true. Sort of like saying if you oppose the war in Iraq you must be an enemy of the US.

And anti-semitism is of course associated with the Jewish state instead of just Jews. I bet that happened, oh, when Israel was formed about 40 years ago?

 

[Melensdad]

Beds. . . not sure I understand your post, but I'm a right winger and I oppose the war in Iraq and that is not anti-American and I know other right wingers who are opposed too. (But don't be confused and think I don't support our troops, or believe we should pull out before the job is done!) As for liberals being against Jews, that doesn't fly either, many of the strongest supporters of aid to Israel are liberal politicians. Facts are that some liberals and some conservatives oppose the Iraq war and many of both sides support Israeli aid.

 

[OkeeDon]

As I've posted before, Sunni Arabs are also Semites. Does this mean they're against themselves?

Also, associating anti-globalization only with the left is a serious error. First of all, I'm on the left, and I'm about as far from being anti-globalization as you can get. Second, another way to define anti-globalization is isolationist, and right-wingers like Pat Buchanan are as isolationist as you can get.

The execution is lacking. They present concepts, many of which may be factual, some close enough to seem like facts, and some that are just wrong, none of them with any proof.

It appears that the intent is to influence and inflame people against the Muslims. If they had stuck to propaganda to favor Jews, I could support it, but inflaming people against Muslims is just as bad as Muslims inflaming people against Jews.

 

[Cityboy]

As for liberals being against Jews, that doesn't fly either, many of the strongest supporters of aid to Israel are liberal politicians. Facts are that some liberals and some conservatives oppose the Iraq war and many of both sides support Israeli aid.

As the slide show states, there is a strange alliance between anti-capitalist leftists and muslim extremists, especially in Europe. There are Democrats in this country who defend Muslim extremists regularly. So there is also an alliance of sorts between the mainstream Democrats in the United States and the Muslim extremists. To say that Liberals are all for the Jews is simply not accurate. There are many liberal Jews to be sure, but they are cut more from the Classical Liberal set as opposed to the typical anti-Republican Democrat-Leftist's in the U.S. today.

 

[Junkman]

history of anti-Semitism

Classical and Christian Anti-Semitism

 

[jdwilson44]

I would consider myself a "conservative" but maybe not a right winger and I agree with what B_Skurka said. As I wrote in another post a few days back the US has spent something like 85 billion dollars on foreign aid on Israel since their inception. The Iraq war is projected to cost anywhere from 200 billion dollars all the way up to 2 trillion dollars depending on which newspaper article you read. We have sent billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, etc, and I forget how much the first Desert Storm cost. What have we as country gotten for all this? We have gotten oil and a pile of rubble at the tip of Manhattan. I said it before the war started and I will keep saying it - if we had spent this money wisely - on developing alternative energy sources, we could have made the US energy independent - thereby giving us true national security. We then could have cut off our usage of Mideast oil - thereby depriving the terrorists of their cash flow. Stopping the rationale for the US to continue to send huge amounts of foreign aid to Israel and other Arab countries. And just walked away from the whole region and let it fester in a cesspool of it's own making. This will never get better - it has always been like this over there. And now we are stuck in the middle of it all because we jumped into the cesspool. We can't just leave because we helped to make the mess - but staying probably won't make it much better. I don't feel like my hard earned tax dollars are being wisely spent by our goverment towards truly helping my country - this goes for the money spent on the current war and it goes for the money that gets given to Israel because Israel has so much influence over our goverment. If you don't believe the war in Iraq and support for Israel are somehow connected please read up on Richard Perle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle

 

[beds]

Beds. . . not sure I understand your post, but I'm a right winger and I oppose the war in Iraq and that is not anti-American and I know other right wingers who are opposed too. (But don't be confused and think I don't support our troops, or believe we should pull out before the job is done!) As for liberals being against Jews, that doesn't fly either, many of the strongest supporters of aid to Israel are liberal politicians. Facts are that some liberals and some conservatives oppose the Iraq war and many of both sides support Israeli aid.

My perception of this video was some corollary between left wing and anti-semitism. It also appeared to me to say that globalization is something that is good and conservative but opposing it is anti-semitic and can make you a Nazi.

Just didn't sit well.

 

[beds]

As the slide show states, there is a strange alliance between anti-capitalist leftists and muslim extremists, especially in Europe. There are Democrats in this country who defend Muslim extremists regularly. So there is also an alliance of sorts between the mainstream Democrats in the United States and the Muslim extremists. To say that Liberals are all for the Jews is simply not accurate. There are many liberal Jews to be sure, but they are cut more from the Classical Liberal set as opposed to the typical anti-Republican Democrat-Leftist's in the U.S. today.

I think today, and this is an outsider looking in, that the Republicans are hawkish and the the Democrats are dovish. In the current administration, anyways. Supporting Israel's army is hawkish, I feel to some extent, as is the war in Iraq. Republicans embrace it and Democrats push away. To say that there is an alliance between Democrats of the United States (how many 100s of millions of them are there?) and Muslim extremists sounds a little offensive to me, and I'm not even an American.

 

[Melensdad]

To say that there is an alliance between Democrats of the United States (how many 100s of millions of them are there?) and Muslim extremists sounds a little offensive to me, and I'm not even an American.

I don't think Cityboy said there is an alliance, nor do I think he implied it. I think you may want to read his words again, but then perhaps I misunderstood him.

I do believe it is fair to say that the politically correct apologists of the Democratic party will fall all over themselves to give even the worst despots 'a chance' but while that may be true, it does not mean there is an alliance. It simply means they are naive and foolish about the harsh realities of life and the real motives of those who hate us.

 

[beds]

I do believe it is fair to say that the politically correct apologists of the Democratic party will fall all over themselves to give even the worst despots 'a chance' but while that may be true, it does not mean there is an alliance. It simply means they are naive and foolish about the harsh realities of life and the real motives of those who hate us.

Yes, they likely choose diplomacy over invasions - even when not prudent.

The Middle East Muslim world hates America because America bolsters Israel. That's been true for some time. It also hates western culture because of its debauchery. I do not appreciate anything about the Taliban but this: they had strict control over the huge opium business in Afghanistan. Sell opium and lose a limb or worse. Now they are gone and the drugs are flowing freely.

 

[Melensdad]

I do not appreciate anything about the Taliban but this: they had strict control over the huge opium business in Afghanistan. Sell opium and lose a limb or worse. Now they are gone and the drugs are flowing freely.

You are joking right?

I will grant you that the opium is flowing but it was flowing under the Taliban, in fact they used it to fund the country. The US & coalition forces sprayed herbicide on some of the fields early on but for some insane reason we stopped doing that. So yes, the poppy fields are producing. But they were producing under the Taliban too! Under the Taliban the rule was "sell opium without paying us our cut, and lose your life" but as long as they got their cut, the opium flowed with their protection.

 

[beds]

You are joking right?

I will grant you that the opium is flowing but it was flowing under the Taliban, in fact they used it to fund the country. The US & coalition forces sprayed herbicide on some of the fields early on but for some insane reason we stopped doing that. So yes, the poppy fields are producing. But they were producing under the Taliban too! Under the Taliban the rule was "sell opium without paying us our cut, and lose your life" but as long as they got their cut, the opium flowed with their protection.

You know, I think you're right. I think they got a kick out of making huge sums of cash from the west's dependencies, but would kill anyone in their own country who was caught using it. apologies, B_.

 

[BoneheadNW]

Is this a civil thread in the debate and discussions section? I didn't think something like this existed! Oh wait, I have not participated in the discussion. Could there be a link?
Seriously, this thread has been very informative in my opinion. Thanks to all of you.
Bone

 

[Cityboy]

I don't think Cityboy said there is an alliance, nor do I think he implied it. I think you may want to read his words again, but then perhaps I misunderstood him.

I do believe it is fair to say that the politically correct apologists of the Democratic party will fall all over themselves to give even the worst despots 'a chance' but while that may be true, it does not mean there is an alliance. It simply means they are naive and foolish about the harsh realities of life and the real motives of those who hate us.

What I am saying is that the Democrats are so blinded by hatred of Republicans and Bush in particular, along with their lust to get their political majority back, that they have unwittingly placed themselves in alliance with America's enemies. There comes a time when we have to do what must be done as a nation, putting politics aside for the moment. What America must do now is defeat the Muslim extremists who wish to destroy us. Once this is done, then the political battle of ideas and ideals can continue. Every time a Democrat presents himself in front of the news media and compares our president to Hitler, or calls our president a terrorist, they embolden our enemies. Our enemies see us as divided within our own country. Muslim extremists consider diplomatic negotiation a weakness, and the political left in the United States does not see this. If you disagree with this statement, you only have to observe the relationship with Hamas and Israel to see the truth of the matter. Israel gave up much of their land in an agreement brokered by the Clinton administration in the 1990's. Even though Israel compromised to a greater extent than they ever had in the past, Hamas was not satisfied and continued murdering Israelies. What must be understood is that Hamas and the other Muslim extremist groups will never be satisfied until Israel is destroyed and ceases to exist. In their minds, there can be no compromise, therefore, they must be defeated on the battlefield, soundly and decisively. Until the Democrats understand this fact, agreements will continually be broken by muslim governments and there will be no peace.