Oh yeah, that will fix it...

[Dargo]

The Toronoto Star reports that the Canadian government is proposing a solution to the country's rising violent crime rate: sue U.S. gunmakers. Prime Minister Paul Martin (search) argues that half of all gun crimes in Canada are committed with weapons obtained illegally from the U.S. and the government is looking to punish manufacturers who produce the guns used in homicides across the border.


Maybe someone should tell them that automakers have more money. I'd just bet that more people are killed in auto accidents than with guns. If you don't think I can use my 8000 pound beast of a pickup as a weapon, come let me show you. How about sticks, clubs, knives, or even baseball bats?!

 

[Melensdad]

Brent, stop attempting to apply logic to government action, it will lead to nothing more than a headache. You'd be better off pounding your head into a wall, the outcome will be the same.

But let them sue, in Canadian courts, heck let them win, let them show us how big and strong their government is. The worst thing that will happen is our gun makers won't sell guns to their police departments, won't fix guns that need to be repaired, and won't honor warrenties because if our gun makers are smart they simply won't cross the border again. Yup they can show us. Their gun market is miniscule, our companies won't really lose out. But if Canada was honest about the whole thing they would also go after the Swiss, German, Italian, Brazilian, Spanish, Hungarian, Czeck, Russian, etc gun manufacturers too. Ah, but I said "honest" and that also implies some governmental logic is involved. I should take my own medicine and beat my head against the wall too.

But my general opinion of some of the Canadian lunacy is that they can go screw themselves. I think they've been influenced too much by the French. Hand wringing hypcrites who blame others.

 

[rico304]

Has anyone sued the Knife manufacturer? I have seen MANY more people stabbed than shot. Stabbings happen all the time. I wonder how that suit would hold up. What is the difference? I'm sure there will be some answers to that, but basically there is no difference. Maybe they have done it, but you don't hear about it. "This smiley has nothing to do with the conversation, but I like it."

 

[Melensdad]

Rico304, being as how you are a police officer, and being as how I really don't know your opinion on this, what is your view of the typical officer's opinion of gun control as a way to reduce crime?

BTW I like that smiley too! What do you think of this one?

 

[bczoom]

Has anyone sued the Knife manufacturer?

The hell with the knife manufacturer!!! I'm going after the companies that make pencils. My daughter has come home with spelling errors so it must be the pencil's fault.

 

[ddrane2115]

I have to wonder why in a country that you can not legally own a gun, how they have such a high crime rate. Same as DC here. Can not own a gun, but more gun crime there than anywhere.

Here is a hint........ENFORCE THE DAMN LAWS YOU HAVE! DONT GIVE CRIMINALS ANY DOUBT, THEY WILL FACE VERY LONG PRISON TERMS, SOLITARY IN FACT.........

Any judge that does not follow sentencing guidelines will disbarred, disrobed, and sentenced for being just plain down stupid.

 

[rico304]

Rico304, being as how you are a police officer, and being as how I really don't know your opinion on this, what is your view of the typical officer's opinion of gun control as a way to reduce crime?

BTW I like that smiley too! What do you think of this one?

Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier. I must have missed it. My opinion is the same as 99% of cops.
If you take guns away from the public, than the only people who have them will be bad guys. You are only making a market for guns at that point. The motorcycle gangs are VERY organized. There are several gangs in Portland that spread throughout the USA and beyond. They will get guns and add the gun business to their hooker/drug business. Then only people with connections and don't care about the law will have guns. I can only see rising crime from this. Our Country is very volatile and it doesn't take much to set it off. Once people see others going nuts, they feel free to do the same.
Look at looters from anywhere.
Obviously I think people should call police, but in a riot situation, we can only do so much. Whether you have a gun or not isn't really the clincher with the bad guys, it's not knowing who has them.

 

[Melensdad]

My opinion is the same as 99% of cops.
If you take guns away from the public, than the only people who have them will be bad guys. . .
Obviously I think people should call police, but in a riot situation, we can only do so much. Whether you have a gun or not isn't really the clincher with the bad guys, it's not knowing who has them.

So did you happen to watch CNN a few weeks ago when the police & N.G. were doing the 'forced evacuations' and see the 70-something year old woman who said she was not afraid of the looters. She produced a small frame revolver and held it out for inspection. She was promptly body slammed into the wall by an officer (not sure which jurisdiction) and both the handgun and the old lady were taken into custody.

Seems that they decided to arrest anyone with a gun if they did not turn the gun into authorities

 

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The Toronoto Star reports that the Canadian government is proposing a solution to the country's rising violent crime rate: sue U.S. gunmakers. Prime Minister Paul Martin (search) argues that half of all gun crimes in Canada are committed with weapons obtained illegally from the U.S. and the government is looking to punish manufacturers who produce the guns used in homicides across the border.

Don't forget that in Canada, even if you own a gun and are in your house defending yourself from an intruder you are not allowed to shoot them. You have to call the mounties to come and save you.

That f'in country is a mess of liberal pandering. No shortage of guns and normal people outside of the big cities. I think they put something in the city water in those big cities.

Glad I got all my Dad's guns out of the country a few years ago.

 

[Dargo]

Hey, how did my post get all cleaned up and nice looking? I do need to figure out how to properly put in a link. The original post looks like I know what I'm doing; but I don't. Thanks for the fix. If my helper can now just tell me how it's done, I'll be better in the future...I promise.

 

[rico304]

I didn't see that one. without being there I would never believe what the news says. Did he take it as a threat, was she refusing to leave after the police were ordered to have everyone leave?
I have been "handed" a gun only once in my career for inspection. Put yourself in my situation. A guy I have never met walks up to me and tell me he has a gun in his jacket as he is reaching for it. I tell him to stop but he is in mid stride and continues while saying,"I want you to check it out." He found himself up against the wall as well. What looks so clear from TV generally has a different feeling while you are there.
Two of our guys last summer were talking to a guy who was acting normal. In the middle of a sentence he reached into his pocket and pulled out a handgun. He shot himself in front of the officers. Had he wanted to, he could have taken both or one officer with him. I would never let anyone walk up to me and just hold a gun until I got a better feeling for the situation. I'm sure most of you would not be comfortable with a stranger (any age/gender) pulling out a gun for no real reason. (and I'm sure she was jeeped up. Few people would say,"I'm not leaving my house. I'll protect it with a gun. without being jeeped up when the police show up to move her along.
Don't get me wrong, I have never had an issue with concealed weapons. But a NORMAL person would not pull it out with anyone around.
Again, I didn't see this particular one. I'm just saying there are other ways to look at it.

"Seems that they decided to arrest anyone with a gun if they did not turn the gun into authorities "

Was there a ban there? If not, I'm sure it wasn't having the gun that got her arrested. You can be as pro gun as anyone, but you still have to remember they are deadly in the wrong hands. Myself, I don't want my wife and kids growing up without me because I allowed anyone to pull a gun around me. Hearing the woman's familly and neighbors saying, "She's been under so much stress lately. She is not that type of person" wouldn't help

 

[Melensdad]

It was the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on TV. There was a CNN crew along for the ride. They come up to the flooded house and out pops this little old woman. She is not carrying the gun. She is talking. They tell her she had to leave. She said she was not afraid. They ask her why. She picks up here gun from behind her, holds it in her OPEN hand for INSPECTION. The next thing you see is a guy dressed like he is on the SWAT team slam her into the wall. The woman was on her porch, on her property, she did not brandish the weapon.

As for the gun ban, there is plenty to suggest it was not legal. It was an 'executive' order by some political official to call for a forced disarming of citizens. The only citizens allowed to keep guns were private security guards. So basically if you are rich and can afford a guard, you get to have a gun on your property. But if you are just a homeowner, you get your guns taken away and/or you get arrested.

Again, this was all broadcast on TV, it was not a 'reported' story where some reporter changed the story around after the fact. They showed this on video on TV.