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New Hamas Security Chief
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OkeeDon said:
Sure I can believe it too. He sounds just like some of the neocons in the Bush administration, but he doesn't have the military force we have so the best he can do is fling his verbal bullshit while we can wipe any nation we want off the face of the earth with our airforce and leave chaos in the vacuum that remains.
Snowcat Operations
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OkeeDon said:
OKEEDON YOU have got to be kidding! You are about as wacked out as that new Hammas Security Director!
Hey Okeedon
"Heres you sign"
WACKOE!
"Heres you sign"
WACKOE!
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Snowcat Operations
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Speaking of Wackoes you cant argue that you are not dealing with a full deck. You even said in another post how you wanted a nuclear weapon to defend your self from this current Government. You have no care for anyone but yourself. You would kill millions to just defend your self wouldnt you!
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Snowcat Operations
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I COPIED THIS FROM ANOTHER THREAD. OKEEDON WHAT ARE YOU SMOKEN?
04-12-2006, 10:41 AM
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Re: Attention Detroit Area Left Wingers
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...and it was to defend themselves not only against their foreign invaders but the loss of liberties taken away by their own goverment....if one is in fear of the goverment they should be armed with weapons equivalent to what soldiers carry.
I'm in total agreement, here. Since GWB took over, I've been in total fear of the government -- now, where can us paranoids get some nukes?
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Originally Posted by jdwilson44
...and it was to defend themselves not only against their foreign invaders but the loss of liberties taken away by their own goverment....if one is in fear of the goverment they should be armed with weapons equivalent to what soldiers carry.
I'm in total agreement, here. Since GWB took over, I've been in total fear of the government -- now, where can us paranoids get some nukes?
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AND THIS WAS COPIED FROM THE SAME THREAD.
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Re: Attention Detroit Area Left Wingers
I'll see you those, and raise you this:
The Davey Crockett is a battfield tactical nuclear weapon, capable of reaching about 1-1/4 mile. If you plan on defending yourself against your government, you better have a supply. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and money.
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I'll see you those, and raise you this:
The Davey Crockett is a battfield tactical nuclear weapon, capable of reaching about 1-1/4 mile. If you plan on defending yourself against your government, you better have a supply. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and money.
Snowcat Operations
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YOU ARE INSANE!
Mike, you really need to learn how to read Don's posts. Quite often he takes the conservative arguement and cites an extreme example to make a point that conservatives may not be completely rational (at least from his perspective). And I think if you take to really read his posts completely, you may find that he is more rational than you give him credit for being, not that you will ever agree with him (I don't often agree with him either) but the logical extention of the "right to keep & bear arms" would be the tactical Davey Crockett. . . give it some thought and also consider that he may be using sarcasm to make his points from time to time.
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I too was using sarcasm to make my point! BUT you have admit to compare the U.S. Government The most giving country in the history of the world. Who as a Government help more people of every race color creede and religion than all of the OTHER nations combined! AND then say we are worse than or like Hamas who strap bombs on to women and children and teach them to target innocent unarmed civilians (usually women and children shoping or couples having a quiet meal together) That sir is INSANE!
Snowcat Operations
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No BOB he is not rational at all. At least on this he is NOT!
BoneheadNW
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Snowcat Operations, are you trying to build up your post numbers? Here is how I do it: I follow Bob around and make snide comments about his posts. Wait, do you have the same thing going with Don?
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By the way, I have been very busy recently and hope all of you are well.
Here is how I do it: I follow Bob around and make snide comments about his posts. Wait, do you have the same thing going with Don? Bonehead
By the way, I have been very busy recently and hope all of you are well.
I'm not going to acknowledge the rest of your posts, but I have to comment on this. Now, claiming I need a tactical battlefield nuclear weapon to defend myself against the current administration is pretty cool sarcasm. But, simply saying, YOU ARE INSANE!...Well, that's not exactly going to win you any points in the sarcasm contest...in fact, it sounds more childish than sarcastic. Sarcasm is generally considered to be the "real" adult humor.Snowcat Operations said:
I'm pretty sure the rest of the forum members "get" me, and that's good enough for me.
Exactly my point. That's why the world can largely ignore the Hamas chief, but quake in fear at what the nincompoops in Washington, DC will do next.B_Skurka said:Sure I can believe it too. He sounds just like some of the neocons in the Bush administration, but he doesn't have the military force we have so the best he can do is fling his verbal bullshit while we can wipe any nation we want off the face of the earth with our airforce and leave chaos in the vacuum that remains.
Actually, that's a pretty good argument that I hadn't thought of, yet. In the thread where I first pictured the Davy Crockett, the point I was making was that the silly popguns that most gun nuts consider so sacred would be totally useless if we were ever to come under serious attack, whether from terrorists, troops from other nations, our own government, or black helicopters.B_Skurka said:
You are correct that when I first mentioned "nukes", in reference to my fear of the Bush government, there was a tinge of sarcasm. Like all good sarcasm, however, there was also the underlying hint of truth.
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With attitudes like thisB_Skurka said:Sure I can believe it too. He sounds just like some of the neocons in the Bush administration, but he doesn't have the military force we have so the best he can do is fling his verbal bullshit while we can wipe any nation we want off the face of the earth with our airforce and leave chaos in the vacuum that remains.
you are as bad as the HAMAS, IRAN,and many others
Thank God i live in a Piss-ant nation thats on the other side of the world
daedong said:
Interesting take on my post. Especially since I have been critical of the Iraq war, have not supported it, and have publicly said so many times here on the forums.
But this does illustrate a point very nicely. That is that many people read what they want to read into what is written.
I simply wrote an objective comment. I did not write my opinion. Don got it. Vin did not. Strikes me that some of the folks who jump on Don's words may also be misreading them from time to time, just as mine were misread here.
As for the pissant nation comment, obviously you misread that one too, when I wrote it in another thread. I still mean that, but I never implied that Australia was one of those.
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Bob, I try not to blame others for misinterpretation of my posts but try clarifying myself by rewriting it from perhaps another angle. I think I understood on both of these occasions your point. On both occasions you have failed to see mine or choose no to.
In regard to this post, my point was it is sick to even jest of such behaviour.
The piss-ant nation comment, in its context, was directed at me an Australian, even if you did not directly say it.
It is becoming increasingly clear to me that you and many other North Americans in general have a very different view to that of the rest of the western world in general on world political issues. Maybe I can’t see things in the same light as you because of my environment and maybe you can’t see mine for the same reasons.
I don’t wish to start a verbal war with you, you write too well for me and never concede anything anyway
In regard to this post, my point was it is sick to even jest of such behaviour.
The piss-ant nation comment, in its context, was directed at me an Australian, even if you did not directly say it.
It is becoming increasingly clear to me that you and many other North Americans in general have a very different view to that of the rest of the western world in general on world political issues. Maybe I can’t see things in the same light as you because of my environment and maybe you can’t see mine for the same reasons.
I don’t wish to start a verbal war with you, you write too well for me and never concede anything anyway
Vin, sorry, but you are wrong on both counts. My statement in this post was not in jest, it was nothing more than a statement of fact.
And no, the pissant nation was not directed at you or Australia no matter what you believe.
However, I will agree with one thing and that is that Americans do have a vastly different view of the world than others from North American or than anyone else in the world. Even liberals in the US generally will be more conservative than moderates in most other nations, and American conservatives or libertarians are probably as foreign to most of the world as are aliens from other planets. Americans in general believe in personal responsibilty and while we are a diverse lot (as is exemplified by Don and myself) we still get along pretty damn well.
And no, the pissant nation was not directed at you or Australia no matter what you believe.
However, I will agree with one thing and that is that Americans do have a vastly different view of the world than others from North American or than anyone else in the world. Even liberals in the US generally will be more conservative than moderates in most other nations, and American conservatives or libertarians are probably as foreign to most of the world as are aliens from other planets. Americans in general believe in personal responsibilty and while we are a diverse lot (as is exemplified by Don and myself) we still get along pretty damn well.
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I disagree with the first part of your statement completely. Taking personal responsibility for one's problems is exactly what is lacking in our society, regardless of one's political beliefs, economic level, race, creed, religion, geographical location, etc.B_Skurka said:
With regard to the second half of your statement, that we (our citizens) get along pretty damn well, is that why we are one of the most violent modern societies on the planet?
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Bonehead, for the personal responsibility point, I was talking in a 'comparitive sense' on a global basis. While I do agree we need more personal responsibility, I'm sure you will find that the level of personal responsibilty in the US is higher than in other nations, especially when you compare the American distate for socialized medicine, privitized services, etc.
Also you obviously never compared national crime rates with other developed nations. In fact the US crime rate as compared to other developed nations is quite modest, far lower than Australia and lower than England/Wales. The graph I'm providing is from the US department of Justice, but I've seen very similar numbers about crime rates in the UK printed by the London Times. Many developed nations don't have published crime rates, but let me assure you that in Russia if you are a businessman, you travel with a security guard! It is very difficult to compare crime rates across nations because of the way that crimes are reported, under reported, or classified due to cultural differences between the nations. You will note that the US burglary rate is lower than Scotland, Australia, England & Wales, Canada and the Netherlands, but higher than Sweden and Switzerland. While there are certainly other crimes, I will post the entire Dept of Justice report in my Photo Gallery as a downloadable PDF file for you to read. You'll see that your statement about our crime rate is overblown.
Also you obviously never compared national crime rates with other developed nations. In fact the US crime rate as compared to other developed nations is quite modest, far lower than Australia and lower than England/Wales. The graph I'm providing is from the US department of Justice, but I've seen very similar numbers about crime rates in the UK printed by the London Times. Many developed nations don't have published crime rates, but let me assure you that in Russia if you are a businessman, you travel with a security guard! It is very difficult to compare crime rates across nations because of the way that crimes are reported, under reported, or classified due to cultural differences between the nations. You will note that the US burglary rate is lower than Scotland, Australia, England & Wales, Canada and the Netherlands, but higher than Sweden and Switzerland. While there are certainly other crimes, I will post the entire Dept of Justice report in my Photo Gallery as a downloadable PDF file for you to read. You'll see that your statement about our crime rate is overblown.
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If you describe "personal responsibility" as "pay for it yourself, you ungrateful wretch", then I'll agree with you. But if you mean "I made a bad decision about (fill in the blank)", then I think we're woefully far behind other countries, starting with our leaders.B_Skurka said:
daedong
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Bob, national crime rates vary quite greatly over time in most western countries. The rates also vary greatly between cities and between cities and rural. I don’t visit cities very often but when I do I take many precautions that I don’t take in my hometown. At home I go to bed every night and never lock a door or window, I go off for hours and leave the place wide open. The shed which has many thousands of $ worth in tools laying around is only ever locked if I go off for more than a day. When I go into town I rarely lock my car. On the other hand cities in Australia are no different to those anywhere in the western world, watch your back in dark allies, lock your car, house, etc. And I guess rural is the same everywhere easy going.
[FONT="]Your graph, link and data in my view represent nothing unless they where derived from the same or similar environments. It would be far more useful if it compared cities with cities and rural with rural of similar population densities [/FONT]
[FONT="]Your graph, link and data in my view represent nothing unless they where derived from the same or similar environments. It would be far more useful if it compared cities with cities and rural with rural of similar population densities [/FONT]
Vin, no comparision is going to be perfect, but the data is national data for the various countries. Yes, in the USA, as in Australia, crime rates do vary from rural to urban but the national averages are still valid comparisons.
As to your personal example, my shop door was open all day today from early morning to sometime after 5pm, it is clearly visible from the road, and it is filled with almost all my tools, most of my tractor implements and my Snow Trac (with the key in the ignition). My tractor was parked, key in the ignition for several house this afternoon. My whole family was gone all afternoon, the doors of the house were open, except the screen doors (which don't lock). And, since DaveNay knows where I live, and is actively tractor shopping, it is safe to say that my goods were in peril.
As to your personal example, my shop door was open all day today from early morning to sometime after 5pm, it is clearly visible from the road, and it is filled with almost all my tools, most of my tractor implements and my Snow Trac (with the key in the ignition). My tractor was parked, key in the ignition for several house this afternoon. My whole family was gone all afternoon, the doors of the house were open, except the screen doors (which don't lock). And, since DaveNay knows where I live, and is actively tractor shopping, it is safe to say that my goods were in peril.