Imagine; the new Minimum wage laws for restaurants not working out.

[FrancSevin]

MSN

The gubmit cannot regulate Free Enterprise without some negative effect. It is the reason fascism ALWAYS fails.
Seattle has introduced a $20 minimum wage law, leading to a significant reduction in restaurant delivery orders.

The city is currently grappling with the economic consequences of this decision. Businesses, customers, and gig workers are all affected, with a noticeable impact on the local economy as a whole.
Implemented in 2022, the PayUp law initially set a minimum wage of $26 per hour for gig workers, including delivery drivers associated with platforms like Uber Eats and DoorDash.

This law was intended to improve the earnings and working conditions of gig workers in Seattle It is instead creating finacuial hardship on everyone from vender to customer.

 

[Melensdad]

Why not $50 per hour?

Why not $100 per hour?

These people are so totally clueless. Of course regulations have all sorts of unintended consequences. At some people will actually cook their own food. I think the gig workers are finding that out as the restaurant deliveries drop. Delivery fees and menu prices are all climbing. So predictable. So obvious. But as I said, these people making laws are clueless, or idiots, or both.

 

[tommu56]

here's Pennsylvania's reply to the 25% inflation (thanks Joe)

House of Representatives​

Session of 2023 - 2024 Regular Session​

MEMORANDUM​

Posted:​	February 2, 2023 03:58 PM
From:​	Representative G. Roni Green
To:​	All House members
Subject:​	Raise the Minimum Wage to $18

If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be able to support your family and pay your bills. It is impossible to raise a family on the wage of $7.25 per hour. Even households of one cannot feed themselves, pay rent and utilities, and save for their future on a $7.25 per hour wage. While big corporations are grossing higher profits, the average consumer is burdened with paying the higher product price. We need to ensure that Pennsylvania’s workers are getting paid a fair and living wage. My legislation will increase the hourly minimum wage incrementally to $18 an hour by July 1, 2024 and the minimum wage for tipped employees to $8 an hour by July 1, 2024. My bill will also ensure that an employee receives the full amount of a tip left to them and give municipalities the ability to set a higher minimum wage. We need to ensure that all workers are getting paid what they are worth. Without a fair wage, we will never ensure an equal and just society. $7.25 per hour is not equal, it is not right, and it is not fair. Please join with me as we bring a fair and living wage to Pennsylvania workers.

---

Introduced as HB1405

link

House Co-Sponsorship Memoranda

www.legis.state.pa.us

 

[Kevlar]

If any government actually gave a$hit about low income earners they would drop all income taxation on them. All raising minimum wage does is increase costs for everything and reduces entry level employment and increases taxes paid to the government. If anyone in government had actually worked a job or ran their own business they would understand how this works.

 

[tommu56]

If any government actually gave a$hit about low income earners they would drop all income taxation on them. All raising minimum wage does is increase costs for everything and reduces entry level employment and increases taxes paid to the government. If anyone in government had actually worked a job or ran their own business they would understand how this works.

The only fair tax is a sales tax no income tax no loopholes every one pays.

 

[Mark1911]

If any government actually gave a$hit about low income earners they would drop all income taxation on them. All raising minimum wage does is increase costs for everything and reduces entry level employment and increases taxes paid to the government. If anyone in government had actually worked a job or ran their own business they would understand how this works.

One other very insidious thing it does - it erodes the savings and retirement accounts of people that saved their whole lives.

 

[Kevlar]

The only fair tax is a sales tax no income tax no loopholes every one pays.

Wouldn’t that be nice? And to just think that’s how it used to be, but with governments addicted to spending, it will never be a reality again. There is so much money wasted on income taxes, from all the government employees administering it to accountants and lawyers. It’s sickening when you think about it.

 

[laulau15]

MSN

The gubmit cannot regulate Free Enterprise without some negative effect. It is the reason fascism ALWAYS fails.
Seattle has introduced a $20 minimum wage law, leading to a significant reduction in restaurant delivery orders.

The city is currently grappling with the economic consequences of this decision. Businesses, customers, and gig workers are all affected, with a noticeable impact on the local economy as a whole.
Implemented in 2022, the PayUp law initially set a minimum wage of $26 per hour for gig workers, including delivery drivers associated with platforms like Uber Eats and DoorDash.

This law was intended to improve the earnings and working conditions of gig workers in Seattle It is instead creating finacuial hardship on everyone from vender to customer.

I do not know but after COVID
They should just build a few temporary health food stands or places with sandwiches or coffee or cake, sort of on the healthy side and just a general wage or maybe work less hours if they have to get paid so little and people tip so they could earn a bit more like even not a far work like on the corner of apartments or even in their gardens or make vending machines for snacks
And give the vending machine funds to the workers or even the homeless, you could get big companies to give some extra snacks in these machines for free or snacks at the food stands they build.
And they could make it very healthy and even do child cookies or make a batch of lemonade if people want a cool drink in summer
I think that would be cool in USA.

 

[Melensdad]

Who is the “they” to which you refer?

Clearly it’s not the job of the government to build private enterprise/businesses. So who? Why not you?

 

[Doc]

I do not know but after COVID
They should just build a few temporary health food stands or places with sandwiches or coffee or cake, sort of on the healthy side and just a general wage or maybe work less hours if they have to get paid so little and people tip so they could earn a bit more like even not a far work like on the corner of apartments or even in their gardens or make vending machines for snacks
And give the vending machine funds to the workers or even the homeless, you could get big companies to give some extra snacks in these machines for free or snacks at the food stands they build.
And they could make it very healthy and even do child cookies or make a batch of lemonade if people want a cool drink in summer
I think that would be cool in USA.

You are from Melbourne Australia .....why not have this in Australia?

 

[FrancSevin]

I do not know but after COVID
They should just build a few temporary health food stands or places with sandwiches or coffee or cake, sort of on the healthy side and just a general wage or maybe work less hours if they have to get paid so little and people tip so they could earn a bit more like even not a far work like on the corner of apartments or even in their gardens or make vending machines for snacks
And give the vending machine funds to the workers or even the homeless, you could get big companies to give some extra snacks in these machines for free or snacks at the food stands they build.
And they could make it very healthy and even do child cookies or make a batch of lemonade if people want a cool drink in summer
I think that would be cool in USA.

To quote you from another thread, about the government...

So true they are all crooks.


So everyone who needs or wants it, can eat for free? Why would anyone work if they could eat for free?
Actually,;;;;;
Why would you trust these "crooks" to feed us? Or any part of the Citizenship. Talk about control of the population,,,,!

Obey the gubmit or starve.

BTW, It's called slavery.

 

[Melensdad]

Government raises minimum wages.

Thousands of "entry level" workers are replaced by automation.

Newly unemployed are now reliant on government to fix the problem that government created.

Employers lose access to promote promising young hard workers to higher level jobs that require basic work skills, so the entire labor force loses because government decided to turn "entry level" or "training jobs" into high wage jobs. Government screws up, more people are on welfare but government takes credit for raising wages.

So, as Franc notes in the post ^ above ^ government stepped in and created a new slave class that sucks off the teat of corrupt government.

 

[FrancSevin]

The stupidity of minimum wage. A personal story.

Back in the late nineties, my small contract packaging company had roughly 55 employees running six packaging lines. Each line had an operator, a material handler and anywhere from one to five placer person who laid product down on a pin lugged conveyor. In most cases we were placing coupons to be overwrapped in clear plastic and inserted into food items like cereal, dry pet foods even fresh turkey and chicken. Our machine ran at about 150 to 200 parts per minute. 3 to 5 persons laying them down one at a time.

We paid roughly $6.50 and hour. With overburden, (SS, unemployment insurance ETC) that cost was roughly $8.10 per hour.

When the government increased Minimum wage, we generally exceeded it by $1.00 per hour as a benchmark starting wage. This brought annual salaries to about $16,800 for our lowest skilled employees. This, in turn, brought us to a decision point. We could buy or build a machine that would do 300 parts per minute or more for less than $15,000 brand new. Used ones were $6,000 or so. One machine would need only one person and they would thusly replace 3 people on the line. In essence, a $15,000 investment would easily offset the two people we removed. And save us $33,696 annually on every line running.

The nature of our business had only 50% up time but that would be almost $100K added to the bottom line.

Why would we not automate?

Capital was scarce but somehow we managed over a few years to acquire enough feeders to put two three or more on a line at one time. Higher thruput speeds and the ability to collate multiple coupons and samples broaden our customer base. But mainly we had the gain of lower labor cost per unit produced.

All because minimum wage kept rising.

When Fastfood outlets have higher labor costs, they automate. We have seen this and now when you go to McDonalds, in state with high minimum wage laws, you deal with a computer not a person. That may be OK for the customer, like self checkout at the grocer, but someone lost their job. Sacrificed, so the business stayed afloat.

For the record, we could no longer hire at a wage low enough to justify the one to 10 day training required before we automated the feeding systems. Now we needed two to four weeks training at a higher wage. There were people who simply failed at acquisition of the skills needed. Training took more supervisor time and effort. For which we needed to pay them higher wages. Add to that the need for additional technicians to keep the new machines running.

As a result, I'm not sure we were able to keep a lot of that $33,696 annual cost savings. Add to that, it has been said that every time Minimum wage goes up, it removes the bottom rung on the ladder of unskilled labor opportunities for workers and employers.

For those who may wonder, we did not lay anyone off. We did the transition gradually as our competiveness allowed us to prosper and grow. Also, we didn't replace employees who left us on their own. Over time sales doubled whilst our crew size diminished to about 30 employees.

 

[Kevlar]

You’re exactly right, every time minimum wage goes up, more people lose their jobs. Almost every store or business I’ve been in in the last couple of years is running a skeleton crew and all have signs up looking for help, so even with the higher wages, people don’t want to work. So many people don’t understand the importance of that first job working at minimum wage. What you learn from that is worth more than the money you make from that job.

 

[laulau15]

To quote you from another thread, about the government...

So true they are all crooks.


So everyone who needs or wants it, can eat for free? Why would anyone work if they could eat for free?
Actually,;;;;;
Why would you trust these "crooks" to feed us? Or any part of the Citizenship. Talk about control of the population,,,,!

Obey the gubmit or starve.

BTW, It's called slavery.

You are right, I may not agree with all the government's decisions but maybe they each do their best with difficult countries.

Well you do have to give away with restaurants or cafe's either, it is just to do with food stands in the park maybe Summer or something. Just an idea.

 

[Melensdad]

You are right, I may not agree with all the government's decisions but maybe they each do their best with difficult countries.

Well you do have to give away with restaurants or cafe's either, it is just to do with food stands in the park maybe Summer or something. Just an idea.

Have you ever studied economics?

It seems you have given transactions very little thought. Every sale of food, or goods, or services is a simple trade. I trade my money for your food, or your service, or your product. You trade your money for my food, goods or services. That is the basis of all economics.

If the government steps in and mandates that an employer pay extra to an employee, for the same "labor" provided then something happens in the cost structure. Either the price goes up or the portion size goes down. The customer then decides if it is worth paying extra, or taking less for the same cost, or simply not buying it anymore.

That applies to restaurants, food stands or cafes. It also applies to grocery stores, department stores, apartment buildings, car dealerships, etc etc etc

 

[waybomb]

I don't think anybody knows what a free market society is anymore.

I do not believe there is any one thing that the cost has not been affected by at least one government control. Everything is more expensive because of government rules.

 

[bczoom]

I posed this in another thread years ago but will mention it here.
Name something, anything, you can do that doesn't have government regulations or rules associated with it.

 

[waybomb]

But but but we are free.
And democrats want to control even more.

 

[NorthernRedneck]

Ever since they raised minimum wage up here, EVERYTHING costs more. Stores are running skeleton crews filled with immigrants because their wages are subsidized by the government. I know for us personally, we rarely eat out now. Can't afford it. Imagine that. All the whining liberals wanted higher wages for low income. I said right from the getgo that it would screw the economy.

 

[waybomb]

Wages go up. But not considered are the other costs with employment. The employer's side of things like social security and extra unemployment insurance costs. And of course, the employer will still want their profit per dollar to stay the same. So three ultimate cost of a wage increase is much more than the wage increase, the cost of living goes up higher than the extra wages.
Damn stoopid idiots.