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I Hate doctors .

BigAl

BigAl

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Ok guys , Time to be super honest about something . Please don't laugh .

I think I may be in trouble . I hate doctors and all they seem to want to do is cut on me .

Its my back . Its getting worst . Now its down to every time I have a bowel movement , If I push too hard , my back goes into extreme spasm . It happened today . I was injured in a accident 20 years ago and have full coverage on my back . I do not want another operation but this is no life to live lately .


I am not a drinker or a pill user . I play that part of a drunk on FF .
I stay super active to try and exercise my back .


Now I am down to using alcohol to ease the pain . If I don't hurt , I don't drink .

Today has been one of the worst . They have told me that my back is equal to a 80 year old man . I am 57 .

Is there a Nerve block or something they can do to just cut the nerves ? No feeling is better than the life I am leading today .
Thanks
Al
 
Get yourself some colace to help with the bowels. It is gentle and beats straining. Been taking one a day for 3 years now. Eat some more fruit also helps. Can't help on the back pain as I only ever hurt mine bad lifting a telephone pole in the early 80's.
 
Tell ya what, Al. The fact that you're resorting to alcohol to ease your pain speaks volumes. I would, seriously, look at getting something done before the "Pain medicine" rules your life.

You're a pretty cool fella. You do the "Forum Drunk" part to a tee, but you're an intelligent guy who I'd love to have as a neighbor.

Get yourself taken care of before it gets serious with the Dr. Rums, or whatever you're treating yourself with.
 
Al-- What tests have they done to determine the problem? CT scan? MRI? These tests need to be done to determine the problem.

I've had some serious disc problems. I've avoided the surgery but I did get cortisone shots a couple of times. They helped me immeasurably.

For the record, in my case, chiropractors caused me more pain than good. I do not endorse them.
 
The accident broke the middle of my Back and crushed 3 vertabres . Unfortunately they ( Caltrans) did not think I was that bad and the Worksman Comp would not pay to have the MRI / scan done untill I ended up using crutches to get around . 15 months I was like that . They( Doctors) said it was a miracle I could even walk . By then there was nothing they could do but fuse my lower back . The break grew together wrong and nothing can help it .

Somedays I am fine and then ....... WAMMM . It drops me to my knees like it did today . The frequency seems to be happening more often , lately .

The leg pain flares up and then goes numb . I hate the whole idea of letting them touch me again .

I try to walk and move to ease the pain . Somedays it helps and some days it does not .
 
Al find a spinal specialist. You need specialized attention. This is only going to get worse without some type of treatment. I'd bet you are developing arthritis in the poorly healed fusing, causing nerve pinching issues...


Also, please-- Self medicating this type of thing will not help the situation.
 
Your friends here at FF are giving good advice. Your route for self medicating is likely to create a whole new set of problems for your health and your personal life. Muleman is right about using colace. It is a stool softener and should not give you the screaming squirts.

You need to find a doctor you trust and who sees surgery as a last resort. It is difficult to find the right doctor. The most effective doctor I have ever had was a Doctor of Osteopathic medicine. Our bodies give off detectable signals of distress and osteopaths are trained to use their sense of touch to detect stress points.

My personal experience was that after a few visits, I became skeptical and I was thinking of finding a new doctor... I liked this fella just fine....good bedside manner very intelligent...so I went to my appt thinking this would be the last time I would see him. Prior to my appt., I'd had an upset stomach and had vomitted. I lay down on the exam table and the doctor began his exam. After a few mins he asked me if my stomach had been upset that morning. I almost fell off the table because I had not said ANYTHING to him about it. Through touch he had identified a stressed body system. That made me a believer. But, I have seen and worked with other osteopaths who don't emphasize this aspect of their training and it is this very aspect that differentiates them from allopathic physicians. I won't waste my time or money seeing an osteopath who doesn't perform osteopathic manipulation.

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Here is a link to the Osteopathic Physicians and Surgeons of California website http://www.opsc.org/. There is a search for doctor tab.

Just as in allopathic medicine, there are good practitioners and there are not so good practitioners. Schedule an appt with any new doctor to interview them. Never should you meet your doc for the first time while you sit on the exam table half naked under a paper sheet unless it is a critical emergency.

BTW, I have a cousin who is a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist who lives south of LA. She has had back surgery and she works with surgeons. I can ask her for references if you live near that area or if you would be willing to seek treatment in that area.​
 
Al, I feel your pain every day...I have exhausted everything the Dr's have tried to help, most to no avail...I broke everything in an airplane crash 30 yrs ago so I dont get around too well but I found one thing that helps more than all the med's the Dr's could come up with....DMSO twenty drops twice a day in orange or grape juice has allowed me to be able to get around better with less pain than I have had in yrs....You can find it at Tractor supply or online....google it and make up your own mind as to whether u want to try it or not......Most vet supply places also have it...It is used in every country in the world but the US for humans but only for horses here.....
 
duflochy said:
Al, I feel your pain every day...I have exhausted everything the Dr's have tried to help, most to no avail...I broke everything in an airplane crash 30 yrs ago so I dont get around too well but I found one thing that helps more than all the med's the Dr's could come up with....DMSO twenty drops twice a day in orange or grape juice has allowed me to be able to get around better with less pain than I have had in yrs....You can find it at Tractor supply or online....google it and make up your own mind as to whether u want to try it or not......Most vet supply places also have it...It is used in every country in the world but the US for humans but only for horses here.....
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Very interesting thanks duflochy , I googled DMSO & found a lot of interesting info . I thought I would post this link as it seems to explain it in fairly simple terms . http://www.emmessar.com/chemical/company/p1.htm
 
duflochy said:
Al, I feel your pain every day...I have exhausted everything the Dr's have tried to help, most to no avail...I broke everything in an airplane crash 30 yrs ago so I dont get around too well but I found one thing that helps more than all the med's the Dr's could come up with....DMSO twenty drops twice a day in orange or grape juice has allowed me to be able to get around better with less pain than I have had in yrs....You can find it at Tractor supply or online....google it and make up your own mind as to whether u want to try it or not......Most vet supply places also have it...It is used in every country in the world but the US for humans but only for horses here.....
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That stuff works but I bet you have some funky bad breath. ;)

I think Al just needs to take it down a notch. He's 15 years older than me and he works like he is 15 years younger than me. Al needs some rest and he needs to learn to pace himself.
 
duflochy said:
Al, I feel your pain every day...I have exhausted everything the Dr's have tried to help, most to no avail...I broke everything in an airplane crash 30 yrs ago so I dont get around too well but I found one thing that helps more than all the med's the Dr's could come up with....DMSO twenty drops twice a day in orange or grape juice has allowed me to be able to get around better with less pain than I have had in yrs....You can find it at Tractor supply or online....google it and make up your own mind as to whether u want to try it or not......Most vet supply places also have it...It is used in every country in the world but the US for humans but only for horses here.....
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That is interesting, Duflochy. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924068,00.html

...And it is safe to use. At least so claim the dedicated defenders of dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO), which was enthusiastically promoted as a "wonder drug" in the early 1960s but then fell from grace after the Food and Drug Administration halted its testing in 1965 because of possible harmful side effects.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924068,00.html#ixzz17X59qx7I ​
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"Halted testing due to potential harmful side effects":blink::confused2: Since when did harmful side effects stop the FDA from allowing drugs out to the population?:hammer:
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Thanks for all the good advice . Last night was terrible .

Today , so far ain't been much better . I do know that having a drink, to ease the pain ,is not the way to go .

Thanks again .
 
Interesting that DMSO is used as a solvent. My grandmother used to swear by WD40. She said it made her joints feel better. She will be 93 next week.
 
More specifically, DMSO is a wood solvent. I can smell when they are using it at the local pulp and paper mill when driving anywhere near it. It works and has the ability to move through the cells in some strange way. I used it on my knees when I was younger but a side effect is really bad "garlic" type breath - which did not go over well with the ladies.
 
I have a friend who told me about DMSO 3 yrs ago....I was desperate to regain some of my mobility so I tried it, I didnt have anything to lose....It takes about 2 weeks for it it work but it does work....My friend's wife was in a wheel chair and he was on crutches...They went to Mexico and had it introveinly and both walked back across the border unassisted. That was 7 yrs ago and they both get around fine now.....
 
Another disadvantage of DMSO is that it will take any impurities with it through the cell wall.
An example. If you apply DMSO topically and have foreign material on your hands(motor oil, soap, cocaine, mint, etc....) it will be carried into your system along with the DMSO. I have no idea about taking it internally.
 
I should add: DMSO will really put a dent in your pocket book....It cost 7 bucks for a 16 oz bottle, that will last me six months....
 
Sorry to hear Big Oww. :wink:

I've been so busy trying to take care of my daughter's medical emergency that I haven't been on here much. I never even had the knee surgery I mentioned on here that I was scheduled to have a couple of months ago.

I can sort of say I know what you are talking about. My first back injury was back in the 70's when I raced motocross. For some reason I got the track layout mixed up in my head and one "jump" was actually not a jump, but a steep hill designed to slow the bikes down so the scoring would be easier when the bikes were running slower there. Anyway, I completely forgot about it and launched myself about 30' into the air. It ruined the bike and I broke both ankles, an arm and shattered one vertebra, rupturing the discs on either side of it.

I healed from that accident and never had to have back surgery. I was able to play football, wrestle, tennis and baseball in HS until I broke my neck wrestling (another story for another time). My 2nd major back injury came in college when a jealous boyfriend tried to run over me with his Camaro. I zig-zagged pretty good in this parking lot for a while, but he finally got me. I went through the windshield and ended up in the back seat. My only solace in that incident was that both the driver and front seat passenger got hurt worse by me hitting them after I went through the windshield than I did. Still, it ruptured another disc. However, with no surgery, it healed up and only gave me trouble a few times a year.

Now, of all things, I sneezed when bending over and finished off that last disc. You can see it pushing out through the skin. It's a reasonable sized lump and it's pushing my spinal cord over a bit. Needless to say, that hurts. I'm like you; what do you do? I've never had back surgery before and I healed up pretty well. Unfortunately, this one isn't healing like the past injuries. I've had 5 different knee surgeries in the past with mixed results. That's why I'm hesitant to go and have both knee and back surgery. But, like you, the pain is really starting to wear on me. Besides hurting and limiting what I can do, it flat puts me in a bad mood.

Why don't you go have back surgery and tell me how it goes? Sounds like you need it and I'll just hang around until I hear how you are doing. By the way, if I push whilst doing what you described like I'm giving delivery, I get the same back results. :whistling:
 
Tonight is a Dr. rum night .... May not have any good stories to go with it as I am doing everything I can think of to keep my back from going into spasms .
Drinks are on the house !:doh::sad:
 
BigAl said:
Tonight is a Dr. rum night .... May not have any good stories to go with it as I am doing everything I can think of to keep my back from going into spasms .
Drinks are on the house !:doh::sad:
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Al, have you considered marijuana? (No, I am not being sarcastic.)
 
DaveNay said:
Al, have you considered marijuana? (No, I am not being sarcastic.)
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I actually was prescribed that by a doctor but I just have a hard time going forward with it as I use to be a cop in the early 70's and busted a lot of people for using it .

I know ..... I need to get over it , but my son is now a sheriffs officer and I would have a hard time explaining to him why I am using it . So far the alcohol deadens the pain a little . I'll stay here until it no longer works . Pretty damn sad ...:sad:. I am sorry ,
 
DaveNay said:
Al, have you considered marijuana? (No, I am not being sarcastic.)
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MM is such a crock purveyed by the ignorant. Nothing but a legalized excuse to be a stoner. What little medical benefit there is from the THC in cannibus can be had in a refined, safer pill form rather than the extremely carcinogenic smoke from smoking that garbage.

Another boondoggle to keep the sheeple too stoned to care about anything but getting their next government supplied fix.
 
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