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hardwood flooring, new project,

ddrane2115

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carpet has to go with the new gbaby on the way, so we decided to go with REAL hardwood, not floating, not sticky back, real 3/4 x 3.25 inch bamboo. prefinished and all.

Question is what is fair for installation on a clean wood subfloor, nothing to take up, all the pre work is done........no trim etc to deal with.



We are doing this for less than 5000.00 wood and all, or I am doing some of the work laying it.


thanks in advance for your input!
 

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how many square feet of floor are you talking?
also, things to consider:
horizontal or vertical grain (horizontal in your picture), how long do you want the boards (3', 6', or random) and plain, lightly carmelized, or dark?
what kind of warranty do you want on it?
Do you have a lumber liquidators nearby?
 
Danny, I did my dining room 16'x13' in 2 long days with the help of a friend (actually I helped him). Cost for these flooring projects vary wildly depending on the cost of the materials. Some woods are a lot more expensive than others. I think I spent about $3000 on my floor (last October) including trim pieces. We used a wood called TIGERWOOD, its a really really hard wood and a pain to work with. We looked at Bamboo, it was on our short list of wood choices but we could not find the color we wanted. I don't remember how the price of Tigerwood compared to Bamboo but I did get lucky and buy it on sale from a large lumberyard.

I borrowed the flooring hammer so there was no tool rental cost, but I helped do another floor before doing mine (so I could learn) and I think the flooring hammer rental was $75 a day!!! I also didn't have to rent a compressor and hose because I have those. Can't put these floors down without that stuff so rental is often the most economical way to get the tools if you don't know someone who owns them and is willing to lend them to you.

Putting the main body of the floor goes down pretty quickly, the most time spent was with the various odd shaped cuts at the doors and at the balcony railing. End cuts were simple and quick, we had a miter saw set up on the front porch so all cuts were done outside.

Make sure you let your wood sit in the house for about 3 or 4 days so its moisture level and you home's humidity levels stabilize.
 
I put down about 1000 square feet of bamboo last spring.
I bought my own floor nailer (not staples - bamboo splits) because it was cheaper than renting.
3/4 of the way through the job, the nailer died and I took it back to Harbor Freight (where I bought it on sale and with a 15% off coupon) and they handed me a new one, no questions asked.

We put down 30# felt as a sound deadening layer - which I personally think was a good idea, but not everyone does this.
I took a couple of weekends and several thousand flooring cleats.

bamboo can run anywhere from $.99 to $15.99 per foot, depending on where you get it. I suggest you look at FastFloors.com and lumberliquidators.com as they seemed to have the best prices when I was shopping. Also, if there's a LL storefront close by, you can pick the flooring up therte and save $600 in shipping.
 
thanks and anyone else? To answer questions, the grain will run the lenght of the house..........long grain I guess. I dont need the tools, have a friend that does this on the side, but not sure what the average cost of laying it is. Using bamboo, and the sample in the thread is the pic from lumber liquidators...........and I have a friend with truck so we can make a day of a trip to get, she is putting it in her new house so we do both at one time. Did know about felt, but wondering if there is a leveler I should put on the subfloor?


thanks again, I look to spend 3000.00 on floor and supplies, a few hundred on trim (retrimming whole house, doors and all).
 
Did know about felt, but wondering if there is a leveler I should put on the subfloor?
When I put down my dining room, and when I helped my friend with his house, we put down a heavy paper that was not felt, it was designed for putting under wood flooring. Maybe its the same thing and I don't know the correct name for it?

As for a leveler, not sure about that without seeing the floor you are working with, but I can't imaging trying to put down a hardwood floor over a floor that is not level. The wood is very unforgiving and cut to very tight tolerances. If the whole floor slopes slightly that would be easier to work with than if there is a high spot or a low spot, although if there is a low spot then I'd seriously look at pouring in a self leveling filler to level it out.
 
Somewhere on here is when I did my master bedroom in matching hardwood like the hallways and dining room of my house. An issue for me was the unbelievable expense of the wood. I used a wood that was made for hotel and restaurant applications and had a 30 year warranty under those conditions. I stayed with it because after 20 years, 5 kids and several dogs later, it still looks great in our home with absolutely zero, and I mean zero, upkeep and maintenance.

Anyway, the estimates I received from 4 different companies ranged from a low of 10k to a high of 12.5k to do the room. I opted to do it 100% by myself because of the extreme cost. I think by the time it was all said and done I ended up spending about $4500. Now our master bedroom is relatively large at 27'X17' and I also did a short hallway to the master bath along with two walk in closets (those took the most time and were the most difficult due to all the cuts required). I've slept since then and I'm not good at doing old searches, so maybe somebody else can find that thread on here.

Although you'll always get dust in houses, by going with either hardwood, ceramic tile and stone for about 90% or more of our flooring I'd venture to guess that we've cut down on about 70% (just a guess) of the dust in our house. Have you ever slapped your carpet when you've had a bright ray of sunshine coming in through the window on the area you slap? If you have, you'll likely recall seeing a huge cloud of dust come flying up out of the carpet. By going with hardwood (ceramic, stone or even vinyl) you eliminate all of that dust from the carpet and pad fibers breaking down and floating in the air each time you walk across it.

I don't know your experience in building, but if you can do it yourself it's not only rewarding to have done something that will last basically the rest of your life by yourself, but you'll save about half of the cost or more. Because of the labor intensive part of getting rid of any squeak that had started in the roughly 20 years since we've built our home and putting down heavy felt paper and 1/4" Weyerhauser plywood over the existing 3/4" OSB flooring, the labor expense ended up being more than what the cost of the materials was. Besides, if there was even the slightest mistake, I took it up and corrected the error; something 99% of the installers won't do if the error is minor. I have a couple of my kid's bedrooms left (and that's it) in our house that have carpet down. Since they're now past the 'color on the floor' age, I'm going to put wood down in their rooms this summer.

If you're able, I'd do it all yourself or hire someone to help you. If you're not able to do that, I'd still make sure that you inspect the work thoroughly and make sure they correct any mistakes. Most all installers consider minor imperfections as 'normal' and acceptable. I don't. Good luck!

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You mentioned leveling. I didn't have to do that in my master bedroom, but I will have to do that in my oldest daughter's bedroom. It was actually a 'bonus room' that I intended to use for putting in a full sized pool table, piano and other heavy things and it's on the 2nd floor. The architecht knew this and this room has a steel beam running under the center of the floor because it has a large clear span under it (our family room is under it). Over the years, as the house settled, that room has a slight high spot down the center of the room. The same company that made the underlayment I used, Weyerhauser, is a leader in leveling products. I plan to use their products when I do that room and need to level the floor. Here is their "iLevel" page Weyerhauser iLevel.

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That link is to what was used in my home to start with and what I used for subfloor. In the instance where the subfloor is not level, like where that steel beam is, most hardwood floor manufacturers, such as Bruce, Anderson, Hartco, Mohawk etc. suggest using staggered and feathered layers of felt paper to build up the low areas. Most say that you may use up to 15 layers of felt paper under their floors for leveling purposes and recommend that method if you're not going to just pull up your existing subfloor and have a new level one installed.
 
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OK about the time I have this all figured out, someone tosses a wrench in my plans. Can someone tell me what vertical and horizontal means in hardwood?

If you look at my office and living room, they are a combined 35' long and 11.5' wide. office is 11.5 sq and living room is 24x 11.5.

going to the store today to check out what all I am going to need, but right now I am under budget so that is good
 
the picture you posted shows horizontal grain bamboo flooring -- the pieces are glued together flat on top of each other. In vertical grain they're glued face to face, so you have a more smooth appearing floor - and from a distance it looks more like actual hardwood rather than bamboo. (which is a type of grass)
 
the picture you posted shows horizontal grain bamboo flooring -- the pieces are glued together flat on top of each other. In vertical grain they're glued face to face, so you have a more smooth appearing floor - and from a distance it looks more like actual hardwood rather than bamboo. (which is a type of grass)

Yup. But the best thing for Danny to do is a simple google search of the term BAMBOO VERTICAL and another of the term BAMBOO HORIZONTAL and then click on IMAGES and it will show photos of each. They have very different looks (both are attractive, but they are very different).
 
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