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God, Guns, Glory

dzalphakilo

dzalphakilo

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Bob, just curious as to the relationship between God, Guns and Glory?

Yourself being a Catholic, I can help but think that if you believe in God and are a Christian, don't you find "glory" in Jeus Christ to get to his father and that the country you live in has nothing to do with that Glory in God?

Can I ask, what does guns have to do with God?

On that note, are we talking only about the Christian God, since you have the Cross representing God? (no Star of David, so does that mean Jewish people are excluded?:D)

I realize that from both you and sir knights previous posts that there may be some rules in the Catholic church "allowing" the carrying of guns for protection, but since I'm a New Testament kind of guy, I can't help but think that carrying weapons and teaching peach through any means possible (including violence) wasn't exactly high on Jesus's list of getting the message out to his people.

That said as well, talking to a good friend of mine who is also a Catholic priest as well, he sort of feels the same way as I do per carrying guns "in the name of God" so to speak, and although I'm not saying he (the priest) represents the Catholic church official views, it's nice to know that there are some people in the Catholic church that feel that guns are not the answer.

I'm a hypocrite and a sinner.

Violence begets violence.

I only mention this because I think in some aspect, you're using your religion to justify your actions, particularly when it comes to guns. For myself, I don't use God in any type of defense of mine for carrying a weapon, knowing I may have to use it to take a life.

No offense Bob, but in some aspects, I could see extreme radical followers of other religions using the same type of logo you're using, only tweaking it a bit to represent what religion they follow.

Last but not least, why Palin and not McCain?
 
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I was actually looking for a "God, Guts & Guns" logo but couldn't find one. I found that one and used it. There is nothing more to it. Why does someone have to try to draw a conclusion that 3 independent things must be related to each other?
 
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First let me say this sounds like a shit-stirrer! On top of that I would think this would be more appropriate in the D&D discussions and then a D&D thread should never have a member/mod name attached.

So what I'm saying is folks need to tread lightly here until the mods get a request for moving and editing the title.
 
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Big Dog said:
First let me say this sounds like a shit-stirrer! On top of that I would think this would be more appropriate in the D&D discussions and then a D&D thread should never have a member/mod name attached.

So what I'm saying is folks need to tread lightly here until the mods get a request for moving and editing the title.
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WTF, then just move it to the D&D section:yum:

Bob, to answer your question, you even mentioned that at first you were looking for a "God, guts and guns" logo. Again however, you have guns and God going together. I just never associate God and guns together and think they don't have anything to do with each other.

Last but not least, why Palin and not McCain?
 
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thcri said:
Are you saying there was no guns in the Bible?


What are you asking here?
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There were no guns in the bible, however, there were weapons "of the day" in the bible.

What I am saying is though is that for myself, the Bible is about Jesus Christ and what he did for us and our salvation. Weapons have nothing to do with Jesus Christ and what he represents to his followers.

Believe me, living in the rural "Bible belt" south, I'm all to familiar with people quoting a couple of passages/scriptures in the Bible and from those sentences, interpreting those passages and then telling you how you should live your life, and if you don't, going to hell. The key word here being "interpreting" (sp?).

What I'm asking is why have the V.P (Palin) listed with the logo in question and not the presidnetial canidate himself? Does Palin "represent" the logo (God, guns, glory) better than McCain?
 
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dzalphakilo said:
Bob, to answer your question, you even mentioned that at first you were looking for a "God, guts and guns" logo. Again however, you have guns and God going together. I just never associate God and guns together and think they don't have anything to do with each other.
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DZ, you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions. In no way am I associating these 3 things with each other. I am associating them with Palin.

Someone can believe in all sorts of things but that does not mean that you can/should jump to conclusions that each 'thing' is somehow related to each other thing.

Just because someone believes in God does not mean that they 'carry a gun in the name of the Lord', etc. . .
 
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American Woman said:
I believe in God...I don't cling to any ONE certain religion. I WOULD use a gun and not blink. Because of some of the stuff God has put me thru....my patience is short when it comes to someone trying take something from me that's not theirs.
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Do you think that God put you "though things" to use a gun?

Would you shoot someone to kill for anything else less than if your life was in danger?
 
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dzalphakilo said:
Do you think that God put you "though things" to use a gun?

Would you shoot someone to kill for anything else less than if your life was in danger?
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No, he put me thru them so I would wise up. No I would never shoot to kill for any other reason other than my life or someone else's life were in danger. The pure fear alone would drive me to it.
I don't even hunt.....
 
Holy crap! I'm going to have to agree with DZ. :shock:

I too question the "god guns and glory" thing. I think it gives the political left fodder to make those of us who believe the Second Amendment guarantees American citizens the right to keep and bear arms look like raving religious idiots.

We have the right to defend ourselves. That is ONE issue that should stand alone.

We have the right to worship whatever we want to worship. That is ONE stand-alone issue.

Common sense is screaming for the separation of god and guns lest we begin to resemble those Islamic Jihad folks.
 
Wow, what's the big deal here?
I saw Bob's siggy last night.
To me it states:
1.He's supporting Palin as VP
2. He loves God
3.He's a gun owner
4.He loves his country.
 
pirate_girl said:
Wow, what's the big deal here?
I saw Bob's siggy last night.
To me it states:
1.He's supporting Palin as VP
2. He loves God
3.He's a gun owner
4.He loves his country.
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Well actually I read it this way.
1. I am supporting Palin as VP
2. She loves God
3. She's a gun owner
4. She loves our country.

So because she believes in many of the things I believe in in a way that is likely to be similar to the way I believe in them, and only 3 of them are listed above but nobody should be so narrow minded that those are the only reasons, then that is my logic for supporting her.

I see no reason to presume that I carry a gun for the glory of God or somehow confuse the issues into one issue. Each issue is a stand alone issue. Should I also put up an image of a moose with the word HUNTING under it? Or an oil rig with the word DRILL under it? Each is an independent issue, each stands alone. Some folks are reading WAAAAAY too much into this.

BTW, DZ the photo in your sig line is not Sarah Palin, its Julia Louise Dreyfus (and its reversed too)
 
pirate_girl said:
To me it states:
1.He's supporting Palin as VP
2. He loves God
3.He's a gun owner
4.He loves his country.
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Interesting PG, per your own observation, you state that Bob loves both his country and God, but owns a gun. Was it because a gun is an inatimate object that you commented that Bob "owns' instead of "loves"?

CB hit on part of my point when he said "Common sense is screaming for the separation of god and guns lest we begin to resemble those Islamic Jihad folks"
 
B_Skurka said:
DZ, you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions. In no way am I associating these 3 things with each other. I am associating them with Palin.

Someone can believe in all sorts of things but that does not mean that you can/should jump to conclusions that each 'thing' is somehow related to each other thing.

Just because someone believes in God does not mean that they 'carry a gun in the name of the Lord', etc. . .
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This should clear this thread up



pirate_girl said:
Wow, what's the big deal here?
I saw Bob's siggy last night.
To me it states:
1.He's supporting Palin as VP
2. He loves God
3.He's a gun owner
4.He loves his country.
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Yes
 
B_Skurka said:
Well actually I read it this way.
1. I am supporting Palin as VP
2. She loves God
3. She's a gun owner
4. She loves our country.

So because she believes in many of the things I believe in in a way that is likely to be similar to the way I believe in them, and only 3 of them are listed above but nobody should be so narrow minded that those are the only reasons, then that is my logic for supporting her.

I see no reason to presume that I carry a gun for the glory of God or somehow confuse the issues into one issue. Each issue is a stand alone issue. Should I also put up an image of a moose with the word HUNTING under it? Or an oil rig with the word DRILL under it? Each is an independent issue, each stands alone. Some folks are reading WAAAAAY too much into this.

BTW, DZ the photo in your sig line is not Sarah Palin, its Julia Louise Dreyfus (and its reversed too)
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Got ya!
So in other words, you wouldn't be caught dead wearing one of these...;)
 

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dzalphakilo said:
Interesting PG, per your own observation, you state that Bob loves both his country and God, but owns a gun. Was it because a gun is an inatimate object that you commented that Bob "owns' instead of "loves"?

CB hit on part of my point when he said "Common sense is screaming for the separation of god and guns lest we begin to resemble those Islamic Jihad folks"
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Man you ARE a nit picker, aren't you??
:hammer:
 
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B_Skurka said:
DZ, you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions. In no way am I associating these 3 things with each other. I am associating them with Palin.

Someone can believe in all sorts of things but that does not mean that you can/should jump to conclusions that each 'thing' is somehow related to each other thing.

Just because someone believes in God does not mean that they 'carry a gun in the name of the Lord', etc. . .
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Sorry, but in another one of your signatures, didn't you have a pic of an Altar along with a .45 as well as some older cars?

I agree that some who believe in God does not carry a gun in the name of the God, but I find it interesting that some people do use the Bible as reason to carry, because I would respectfully argue that a true Christian and follower of God wouldn't carry a weapon.

That said, other than owning a gun, I don't see Palin loving her country or God anymore than any of the other canidates. Just that those who proclaim their faith the loudest in the plitical arena scare the hell out of me.
 
thcri said:
What does it represent?
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First off, I'm copying everyone else here and posting something of Palin in my signature. I'm already feeling like I'm a club member:D

Second, she's a gal (Palin), and a good looking gal at that! Heck, you even said so yourself. Gosh darn it, if I didn't know better, I'd swear you, Bob and a couple of other guys have a high school crush on her:thumb:

We all know that persons "looks" really matters in the political arena, and I'd thought I'd help Mrs. Palin out. I figure it's better than a woman wearing an American Flag as a bikini holding a bb gun:punk:

As Austin Powers would say... YEAH BABY!
 
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dzalphakilo said:
Sorry, but in another one of your signatures, didn't you have a pic of an Altar along with a .45 as well as some older cars?
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No. You did not see it correctly. None of my signature lines/images have ever had an Alter. I did have one that has a photo of an Orthodox icon of Mary. But again, drawing some conclusion that any image is necessarily related to any other image, other than they represent my personal interests, is totally inaccurate. The same sig photo has pictures of 2 different tractors, 2 different cars, a toy, my Snow Trac, among other things. The tractors have no relation to the icon of Mary. The tractors have no relation to the gun. The tractors have no relation to the cars. And visa versa.

dzalphakilo said:
I agree that some who believe in God does not carry a gun in the name of the God, but I find it interesting that some people do use the Bible as reason to carry, because I would respectfully argue that a true Christian and follower of God wouldn't carry a weapon.
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Fine. Your opinions are great for you. But I never said anything like any of those things as they relate to me or to Palin. If you think I did then you have again been reading way too much into the things written.

dzalphakilo said:
That said, other than owning a gun, I don't see Palin loving her country or God anymore than any of the other canidates. Just that those who proclaim their faith the loudest in the plitical arena scare the hell out of me.
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I never said she did love her country or God anymore than any other candidate. In fact I don't even see her waving her love of God or country around. If you think I did then you have again been reading way too much into the things written. Heck it seems to me that Obama has brought up religion, in his speeches and interviews, more than all the other candidates combined.
 
So Bob, based on the logic presented here, you believe that all Catholics should wear Hawaiian shirts, sell smokes, drive Audis, use Apple computers, eat ethnic foods, and grow ample body hair. I guess you didn't know that you were the trend-setter for your faith, did you?:bonk:
Bonehead
 
BoneheadNW said:
So Bob, based on the logic presented here, you believe that all Catholics should wear Hawaiian shirts, sell smokes, drive Audis, use Apple computers, eat ethnic foods, and grow ample body hair. I guess you didn't know that you were the trend-setter for your faith, did you?:bonk:
Bonehead
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Nope, you didn't read enough into what I have written. I believe ALL people should be Catholics, wear Hawaiian shirts, buy smokes from me (don't care if you smoke 'em, just buy 'em), drive Audis, and use Apple computers while eating Chinese food and having their back hair waxed. No exceptions! I'm not tolerant.
 
I'm with you all the way except for the Catholic bit. I know you said no exceptions, but can't we make just one teeny exception this time? I'll buy more smokes!:furious:
Bone
 
Sorry Bone, but if I am going to prove to everyone that MY religion is right then everyone is going to have to join up to see the truth. As I wrote, others are reading waaaaay to much into what I write, but you seem to read too little into my posts. BTW, I have to go convert Palin and McCain too, so you are not the only one who is wrong.
 
Howdy,
this post is nothing but a contest as to who can misrepresent what the other person said! What a waste of time and nothing is being solved. You folks are very verbose and full of effluvium!!! Have a goodun!!
 
Ross 650 said:
Howdy,
this post is nothing but a contest as to who can misrepresent what the other person said! What a waste of time and nothing is being solved. You folks are very verbose and full of effluvium!!! Have a goodun!!
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You beat me to it! That's what I was gonna say (sorta)
Except I thought it's been funny.
Dz, I think you are taking advantage of your better half's typing your dictations and nit picking while you can. :mrgreen:
 
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