Ford looks to new low cost EV platform for lower priced electric cars

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Honestly I have zero problem with buying an electric car as a 'second' car.

And if the costs continue to come down, and my home electric panel could handle the added electric draw (I assume it can?), I don't see a lot of downsides to an EV for a second vehicle. As a primary I'll stick with ICE or hybrid/ICE, but that is due to the high mileage driving I do.

This seems like potentially welcome news.




Ford compares new low-cost EV platform to Rivian and Tesla, says rivals will turn to China

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Ford is betting on smaller electric cars as the future. Its “Skunkworks ” team is not so small, and now that the cat is out of the bag, we are learning more about Ford’s new affordable platform. Ford CEO Jim Farley compared its new low-cost EV platform to Rivian and Tesla. However, Farley suggested Ford’s could be even better and cheaper.
Farley revealed the Skunkworks team was developing a low-cost EV platform for its next-gen EVs in February on a media call with investors.
Although it was a small group, Farley promised it included “some of the best EV engineers in the world.” The team is led by Alan Clarke, known for his work with Tesla’s Model Y.
Over the past several months, Ford has added about 50 ex-Rivian employees, over 20 from Tesla, another 20 from Lucid, and several from Apple. Ford has also hired talent from eVTOL leaders like Archer Aviation, Joby, and Hyundai’s Supernal.
Farley explained earlier this year that the team is “engineering a completely different approach, a different product at a different cost with a much smaller battery and different chemistry.”
Ford has already said the platform will support several different types of vehicles. On Ford’s Q2 earnings call this week, Farley gave us more insights on what to expect.
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Ford Mustang Mach-E (Source: Ford)

Ford says its low-cost EV platform is like Rivian, Tesla

Although the “EV journey has been humbling,” Farley said he’s happy the company started 2.5 years ago because it will use what it learned over that time to improve its next-gen EVs.
Ford, alongside Rivian and Tesla, are “the only OEMs outside of China controlling software across all the vehicle domain,” Farley said Wednesday.
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Ford F-150 Lightning infotainment (Source: Ford)
Although most are doing OTAs on vehicle entertainment, Farley explained, Ford “now has multiyear experience on updating powertrains, breaking the fundamental performance of the vehicle connectivity.”
Ford’s leader added that with a wide-reaching portfolio, including F-150 and Pro, “the customer use case is clearly much more complicated than Rivian and Tesla.”
Farley believes Ford is ahead of Rivian, Tesla, and many other OEMs “because we have more complicated platforms.” And because of that, Ford has more scale.
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Rivian R1T (left) and R1S (right) electric vehicles (Source: Rivian)
“They have really designed breakthrough EV components with our own design that we think are better and cheaper,” Farley explained.
Ford’s BlueCruise has over 415,000 vehicles on the road enabled with hands-free driving tech. That’s up 25% from the first quarter.

Matching Tesla and Chinese OEMs on affordability

However, Farley explained, “The second success factor is matching the cost of the Chinese OEMs and Tesla, especially on affordable EVs.” Farley said Ford is designing a “super efficient platform leveraging innovation across our product development, supply chain and manufacturing teams.”
Ford will focus on two segments: work and adventure. Smaller, more affordable vehicles use fewer battery materials, reducing costs and improving margins.
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Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally (Source: Ford)
Farley said this is already “supercharging the lower cost of ownership that EVs have already worked out.”
Ford will leverage the platform “across many top hats,” as Farley described. This will drive scale while also growing its software business.
With its vehicles increasingly becoming “general-purpose computers,” Ford is creating “powerful, connected, ever-improving customized experiences.”
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Ford’s new Capri EV interior for Europe (Source: Ford)

Without China’s help?

When Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jones asked if Ford could bring a low-cost EV to market profitability without help from China, Farley said Ford made a bet on CATL many years ago.
Ford will localize LFP battery cells in Michigan with CATL’s help. Farley explained Volkswagen’s move to use XPeng’s platform “is not our strategy.” Ford’s CEO said its partnership strategy “will be on the component side going deep into the supply chain for IP.”
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New Ford Puma (Source: Ford of Europe)
Farley added, “The true fitness test for EV profitability will be these small vehicles.” He believes “many of our competitors will turn to their Chinese either independent companies or partners to basically use their platform globally.”
The comments come after Ford’s Model e EV business lost another $1.1 billion in the second quarter. Ford has lost $2.5 billion on its EVs through the first half of 2024. The automaker is betting on its new low-cost EV platform to turn things around.
 
Sorry but it's going to be a frosty day in hell before I consider a full on electric vehicle. Perfect time for another ev thread as I'm sitting here in a power outage because we're in the middle of a heat wave and everyone in the area was running their ac which overloaded the system. It's 6am and 22 celcius already. We're forecast to be in a heat wave the next week. If the hydro couldn't handle people's ac and golf carts being on at camp, that really encourages me to run out and spend 60k on a mobile toaster. At this point, they could sell me a brand new f150 lightning for 20k and I would still go for a gas powered vehicle.
 
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Sorry but it's going to be a frosty day in hell before I consider a full on electric vehicle. Perfect time for another ev thread as I'm sitting here in a power outage because we're in the middle of a heat wave and everyone in the area was running their ac which overloaded the system. It's 6am and 22 celcius already. We're forecast to be in a heat wave the next week. If the hydro couldn't handle people's ac and golf carts being on at camp, that really encourages me to run out and spend 60k on a mobile toaster. At this point, they could sell me a brand new f150 lightning for 20k and I would still go for a gas powered vehicle.
Sounds like Canada is on its way to being a third world country. You know an EV with vehicle to grid could help support the grid in times of high demand. Or you could run your personal ac off of the EV.
 
Sounds like Canada is on its way to being a third world country. You know an EV with vehicle to grid could help support the grid in times of high demand. Or you could run your personal ac off of the EV.
Using my vehicle, and the energy for which I paid to charge it, to support the grid? Wasteful transfer of energy. That makes no sense.
Impractical.
 
Using my vehicle, and the energy for which I paid to charge it, to support the grid? Wasteful transfer of energy. That makes no sense.
Impractical.
You get paid large amounts of money for it...... Purchase during low demand times, or charge with solar. Sell at dollars per kwh during high demand times. I have friends in CA making a lot of money per month doing this. You do not give it away.
 
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You get paid large amounts of money for it...... Purchase during low demand times, or charge with solar. Sell at dollars per kwh during high demand times. I have friends in CA making a lot of money per month doing this. You do not give it away.
Every time you transfer power into or out of your car's battery, there is a power loss. Multiply that over millions of EV's and a lot of coal is burned for no practical reason.
 
Every time you transfer power into or out of your car's battery, there is a power loss. Multiply that over millions of EV's and a lot of coal is burned for no practical reason.
Yep and there's loss at every transformer. Can you imagine how many times electricity goes through a transformer from start to finish?
 
Letter from my electric co. says rates are going up 9.5% this year ( Aug 1 ) and 8.5% next year.

They were not clear if this is the price of the KW or the price of distribution or all together. Distribution already costs more than the power. Price per KW for 200KW/month is 30cents for both.
 
Yep and there's loss at every transformer. Can you imagine how many times electricity goes through a transformer from start to finish?
So, doing it one or two more times is helpful????

To the point of the OP:
Reducing the cost of EV purchase is critical to success of the program. More so than government subsidies or mandates.
If we are truly free citizens then it must a conscience choice of benefit, not compliance.

Tesla's new model 2 https://www.makeuseof.com/tesla-model-2-what-to-expect/ supposedly available under $25 K will do more for the industry than Government mandates and subsidies. Other manufacturers must follow to stay in the game. Frankly, a $25K commuter car is quite practical and therefore attractive.
 
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