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Crazy Horse Scam

fogtender

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The Memorial to Martin Luther brings to mind all the money that was raised to build it and then have it carved in China, the costs and what was delivered don't add up, but it was a private operation.

A few years ago I went to the Crazy Horse Site where they were carving Crazy Horse as a tribute to the American Indian. In my opinion they are being hoodwinked to say the least.


http://www.crazyhorsememorial.org/


When I stopped there, they charged about twenty to thirty dollars a car load of people to get into the place. They started building this decades ago and brag that they don't accept any Federal Funding... In that lays the rub... Since they don't except any outside funding, they are also not going to be questioned on where the money goes.

They bring in Millions of dollars a year by charging admission and selling of everything to going to the top of the Mountain with the family to get their photo taken to a museum where they sell overpriced stuff. It was about two thousand dollars to got to the face and have your photo taken with Korczak Ziolkowski's widow... Seems that if it was an active construction site, that would be off limits with blasting and jackhammer and stuff...

The thing I noticed is that there wasn't anyone actually working on the monument... It has turned into a cash cow and the family of the man that started to do the carving has all but stopped the work. Oh enough gets done to have a party now and then, but there is no equipment working, nor were there any people working on the mountain as well.

The American Indians that this is suppose to be for, are getting ripped off in their name for the exclusive family that is suppose to be making this a for them. If they don't except any Federal/State money, they aren't accountable.

I think when Korczak Ziolkowski first accepted the offer to build the carving, he was sincere about it, he worked on Mount Rushmore when it was done. After the money started to flow, I think he saw a milk-cow to be milked, and the entire project turned into an business instead of a gift to the Indians.

Anyway, if you look at the photos on line of the history, I think I could carve the Monument myself with a fingernail file faster than what they are doing with millions of dollars they take in each year. Lots of press, but nothing is really getting done.

This is just another case of Ripping off the American Indian IMHO...

As a note, my Grandmother was full blooded Cherokee and met my Grandfather on the Trail of Tears when he was a scout hired to march them to Oklahoma. He ran off with her and her brother to Oregon which was wilderness for the most part back then.
 
Interesting Foggy. I suspect you are right about it turning into more of a money making scheme than anything else.
 
I was always impressed with the entire concept until I went there, once I saw that it "Wasn't" a work in progress, I got really disgusted with it as just another scam to remove money from people's pockets that though it was a sincere project.

I really doubt it will be finished in the next bunch of generations, if at all. I would expect that a lightbulb will go off somewhere and someone will want to see some kind of accounting and it will all unravel....
 
I was always impressed with the entire concept until I went there, once I saw that it "Wasn't" a work in progress, I got really disgusted with it as just another scam to remove money from people's pockets that though it was a sincere project.

I really doubt it will be finished in the next bunch of generations, if at all. I would expect that a lightbulb will go off somewhere and someone will want to see some kind of accounting and it will all unravel....

I always wanted to go there, then a friend who had gone twice several years apart showed me his pictures from both
trips; there wasn't any noticeable difference in them. When Dragonfly Lady and I got the chance to go during our
trip west in '09 we went to Rushmore, but took a pass on this one. A lot of local people are convinced it is no
longer on the up and up.

Sad. :sad:
 
I always wanted to go there, then a friend who had gone twice several years apart showed me his pictures from both
trips; there wasn't any noticeable difference in them. When Dragonfly Lady and I got the chance to go during our
trip west in '09 we went to Rushmore, but took a pass on this one. A lot of local people are convinced it is no
longer on the up and up.

Sad. :sad:

That is sad, in the new photos I've seen, they added a chain link fence on the top so the cash paying tourist don't fall off. Not the stuff you see in an active construction zone...
 
The statue is the product of an artistic screwball with no engineering acumen . I've seen this sort of thing with other true prophets, like David Hammil, Joseph Smith etc. Granite has virtually no tensile strength that could hold up the gigantically large free hanging pieces envisioned for the arm and for the horse's head and leg, cracks in the rock would insure they would be destroyed as they are made. I'm sure that level headed engineers have pointed this out already to the builders. IF they ignore this advise they are idiots. , the rest of the "project" is also a pipe dream. They are doing about as well as they can with a shlocky museum and the selling of indian art. I personally think the handycrafters are doing good work on the trinkets they are making and selling. All this spiritual crap is asinine though. The project isn't even a good employer of native Americans, the ticket takers, service personnel ect. are all Caucasians,
 
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