Cabinets

[Eric L]

I hate wood, but I found that if I throw some $$ at tools its not as bad as before. I'm actually starting to have a little fun with the stuff.

I want to build some cabinets for the shop, nothing fancy, but I need durability. I can build a badass face frame, but I'm kinda lost on a simple, strong, and reasonably clean way to attach the face frame to the cabinet box. nails are out of the question, screws are good but I didnt want the heads exposed. the box will be plywood, the face frame for this project will be some kind of softwood or maybe plywood too, though I dont know how well the plywood will work for a faceframe...probably a bad idea, scratch the plywood...

....now, if we were using steel, this wouldnt be an issue.

Edit... oooh, ooh..I just had an idea... let me stew over this for a bit.

 

[Melensdad]

II'm kinda lost on a simple, strong, and reasonably clean way to attach the face frame to the cabinet box.

Think about a triangle. Cut a triangle out of wood. Use the triangles as corner braces for holding screws. Place it behind the face frame in each corner so you can screw from the back into the side piece and also into the face. Also use glue to hold the face frame. Use a couple strap clamps to hold everything together until the gule is dry.

 

[buckle97]

Wow Bob! What version of AutoCAD software did you use to make that drawing .

 

[Melensdad]

I don't have autocad, I have CRAYOLA crayons!

 

[Eric L]

I had considered Bob's block idea. I also considered something similar but made of metal, though I havent found what I'm looking for yet. anybody got experience with biscuits? I've always wanted a biscuit joiner. any luck with them in the end grain of not so high quality plywood? actually, I'm thinking it may work better on the end grain than the face....

I was thinking of pocket holes for the face frame, but cant find the tool I want for the price I wanna pay, a biscuit joiner could solve alot of issues.

Eric

 

[BigAl]

I had considered Bob's block idea. I also considered something similar but made of metal, though I havent found what I'm looking for yet. anybody got experience with biscuits? I've always wanted a biscuit joiner. any luck with them in the end grain of not so high quality plywood? actually, I'm thinking it may work better on the end grain than the face....

I was thinking of pocket holes for the face frame, but cant find the tool I want for the price I wanna pay, a biscuit joiner could solve alot of issues.

Eric

Tons of experience with a biscut cutter . I have built many sets of cabinets . You will love it !!!

Question ??? Whats wrong with attaching the face frame with glue and finish nails ? If you counter sink you will never see them .

Here's some of my work using a biscut cutter .Cabinets in Panama , Idaho and my Idaho exterior doors are all built using a biscut cutter as are all the exterior doors on the ranch . I custom built them out of rough sawn lodge pole blue pine 2x6 off the property .

 

[Eric L]

Question ??? Whats wrong with attaching the face frame with glue and finish nails ? If you counter sink you will never see them .

Just perception I suppose.. the nails dont do squat if ya glue it too, right...they just hold it together while the glue dries, right?

I've been using titebond(sp?) weather resistant glue and that stuff seems to be working well, and It's waterproof... still hasn't come off my pants.

We need to talk.. I could sure use some pointers on this wood stuff

Eric

 

[BigAl]

Just perception I suppose.. the nails dont do squat if ya glue it too, right...they just hold it together while the glue dries, right?

I've been using titebond(sp?) weather resistant glue and that stuff seems to be working well, and It's waterproof... still hasn't come off my pants.

We need to talk.. I could sure use some pointers on this wood stuff

Eric

Tell you what Eric ....
Why don't you and the little lady make a trip up to Grass Valley and I'll show you . My biscut cutter is up at the ranch ,but I can give you some pointers . While your here ,you can make fun ,I mean look at my KT7 .
I'll also show you the most radical Jeep you ever saw and that is without even knowing what you have seen !!! It has over $20,000 in axles and rear steering alone ! Oh yea ... Now you want to come ! I been kinda saving it for when someone says they have the badest jeep out there . I think what they meant to say was 2nd baddest Jeep out there .
Coffee is always on till 12 and then the bar opens .
Allen

 

[Eric L]

Tell you what Eric ....
It has over $20,000 in axles and rear steering alone ! Oh yea ... Now you want to come ! I been kinda saving it for when someone says they have the badest jeep out there . I think what they meant to say was 2nd baddest Jeep out there .
Coffee is always on till 12 and then the bar opens .
Allen

I'm gonna call you on your rear steer and better yet, I'll raise ya 4 inches... when in doubt check my email address.

but, I may take ya up on the coffee... I'll bring the Dr. Pepper

Eric

 

[BigAl]

I'm gonna call you on your rear steer and better yet, I'll raise ya 4 inches... when in doubt check my email address.

but, I may take ya up on the coffee... I'll bring the Dr. Pepper

Eric

Good Morning Eric ,
Heck! You may even know the guy that owns it , He is my best friend and also has a welding shop . Kirk's Welding in Grass Valley . I'll stop by and snap a picture of that thing .I was told it is inching up on about $80,000 invested and I believe him . I know I been around 4x4's my whole life and I never seen anything like it . So far he has not found anything that will stop it . Those are some nice pictures you posted , but you gotta see this thing to believe it . The way you both love jeeps you two should get together . He's also always looking for welders to hire too.

 

[Eric L]

Ahhh, I thought you were telling me that it was your Jeep with the rear steer... well the rig I posted is not mine either, I did however build that rear axle.

Eric

 

[Eric L]

Back on topic.. heres some photos I found of a friend's project down in Texas...he's using pocket holes in plywood, but it looks to be higher quality material than what I need.

this guy was involved in building my shelves in Sonoma County which seved as a sample for my new shelves in the other wood thread. He's more of a "wood guy" than me.

 

[Jen's Jeep]

Tell you what Eric ....
Why don't you and the little lady make a trip up to Grass Valley and I'll show you . My biscut cutter is up at the ranch ,but I can give you some pointers . While your here ,you can make fun ,I mean look at my KT7 .
I'll also show you the most radical Jeep you ever saw and that is without even knowing what you have seen !!! It has over $20,000 in axles and rear steering alone ! Oh yea ... Now you want to come ! I been kinda saving it for when someone says they have the badest jeep out there . I think what they meant to say was 2nd baddest Jeep out there .
Coffee is always on till 12 and then the bar opens .
Allen

Sounds like a plan......coffee is good

 

[jpr62902]

Biscuits and pocket holes would be my joinery of choice as well. Pocket holes are much easier. Kreg makes a great jig that's relatively inexpensive. If you go with the nicer jig, it will run you about $140.00. That's alot of $$ for a simple jig, but I love mine and use it quite frequently.

A good plate joiner will also run about $140.00. Mine's a Freud and it works well. For face frames, however, I think the pocket holes would serve you better.

 

[Eric L]

I'm familiar with Kreg...In a previous life I worked for one of their competitors, ours were good, Kreg was one of our closest competitors, maybe Kreg was a little better in some ways. Our machine was similar to this but I cant justify it, plus I should really get a face frame table too, but I'm not going into the cabinet business...remember...I HATE wood...

I bought a DeWalt biscuit joiner today($151 on sale)...I went to Home Depot for a couple sheets of plywood and some glue... well there goes $290...It's absolutely amazing how fast stuff adds up...nickel-dime all the way to the bank.

I was thinking about it today...I thought to myself "self, why are you so intent on having the plate joiner?".. I figured it out. I like the Idea of one tool for one job. The low end pocket hole jigs require what, like 5 items to complete the process...1:jig 2:clamp 3:drill bit 4:drill motor 5:screw driver.

I hate wood
Eric

 

[Eric L]

OK I'm gonna build my first cabinet here in this corner. The plywood in the pic is just a mock-up of the shape. the TV in the pic will go on top and space for a PC and stereo inside (among other stuff).

A question... how high would you set a keyboard for use while standing, or sitting on a stool? I'm thinking 42" to the shelf, so that would put the keys at about 43"-44" and the monitor would be just below eye level... I thought about using a pull out tray for the keyboard, but I dont think its really necessary.

Eric

 

[BigAl]

If you are planning to sit down ,in a standard chair it will be to high .With a bar stool it may be ok . If your standing it would be fine .

 

[Jim_S]

I bought a DeWalt biscuit joiner today($151 on sale

you will enjoy the plate joiner. I picked up a makita a couple of years ago and I use it all the time.

Jim

 

[Eric L]

I havent used the plate joiner yet, but I did pick up some biscuits this weekend.

I started on my corner cabinet... while pricing material I found it would be cheaper to use an extra sheet of 3/4 ply in the shelves (double thick, 1.5") than it would be to buy 1" ply. so it seems I gots the super duper shelves, just had to cut double wide dados in my vertical pcs.

first pic is the shelves stacked up and glue drying... keep in mind there are 4 shelves here.

other pics are the sides.

 

[Doc]

For 'hating' wood, looks like your doing pretty darn good.