Biden to pardon Fauci. Schiff And others?

[waybomb]

Read that this am.
So if he pardons them. Does that mean their actions can't be investigated, even though there won't be any time done?
Investigate and publish.

 

[Patriot]

Technically, the president can pardon anyone for federal crimes or potentially determined federal crimes, and there's no constraints on the amount of time a pardon covers, nor the number of people the president can pardon. Individuals so pardoned can still be charged at the state level, or sued civilly, or investigated by anyone as a truth seeking measure, but they can't be charged for federal crimes for which they are either proactively or retroactively pardoned. Keep in mind that the pardon does not prevent nor absolve impeachment, which is an administrative action.

So, Biden can pardon himself, his family members, Fauci, Schiff, and anyone else he wants. Schiff is still serving in congress, so he could still be impeached, regardless of any pardon.

That all being said, to use the pardon in such a sweeping and proactive fashion not only raises concerns about abuse of power, and may have political consequences, but it would also set a new standard. For example, if Biden were to pardon everyone on Trump's "enemy" list, then Trump would likely do the same in the other direction. And, like I said, there's no limit to the number of people that can be pardoned, nor the time it covers. Biden could issue proactive pardons covering the last fifty years for every registered Democrat in the country if he wanted. However, doing so would almost certainly create the impetus for a Constitutional Amendment to greater define and limit presidential pardoning power.

 

[Melensdad]

Read that this am.
So if he pardons them. Does that mean their actions can't be investigated, even though there won't be any time done?
Investigate and publish.

They CAN be investigated and the TRUTH can be published/released.

They, however, can NOT be punished.

Schiff, Cheney and Fauci were 3 that were specifically named.

Schiff and Cheney were involved in the J6 Committee, which was obviously biased. Fauci is a different matter.

 

[FTG-05]

With a pardon, they no longer have 5th amendment rights. They can be investigated and deposed. If they lie under oath (impossible for democretins to not do), they can be charged and imprisoned for perjury.

Biden is not long for this world. Once he's dead, Hunter should be brought before an investigation and told to tell all about his father's dealings. if for nothing other than showing the world how forking corrupt Biden was for over 50 years.

 

[Patriot]

With a pardon, they no longer have 5th amendment rights. They can be investigated and deposed. If they lie under oath (impossible for democretins to not do), they can be charged and imprisoned for perjury.

Biden is not long for this world. Once he's dead, Hunter should be brought before an investigation and told to tell all about his father's dealings. if for nothing other than showing the world how forking corrupt Biden was for over 50 years.

Excellent point. Hunter Biden would no longer be able to invoke his 5th amendment right against self-incrimination for things for which he's already been pardoned. He must answer the questions or be charged.

 

[FrancSevin]

It is my understanding, an common law, that a pardon can be issued only for a specific crime or crimes, for which the subject of the pardon has been convicted. Carte Blanche is not specific. No one gets a free pass to commit any crime they chose post pardon.

So I have two questions.
One) How can the President give a blank pardon not related to a specific conviction?

And

Two) I am curious. Of what crimes and persons does our current President Biden have specific knowledge and therefore the ability to absolve them pre-arrest and indictment?

 

[Patriot]

It is my understanding, an common law, that a pardon can be issued only for a specific crime or crimes, for which the subject of the pardon has been convicted. Carte Blanche is not specific. No one gets a free pass to commit any crime they chose post pardon.

So I have two questions.
One) How can the President give a blank pardon not related to a specific conviction?

And

Two) I am curious. Of what crimes and persons does our current President Biden have specific knowledge and therefore the ability to absolve them pre-arrest and indictment?

You'd be correct by definition of the commonly understood legal definition for the word "pardon," however, as it applies to the constitutional pardoning power of the president, there are no clear limitations, and no specifics are required, aside from the fact that it must apply to a federal crime and it cannot apply to an impeachment.

That being said, while the pardon can apply to any past actions that could be charged as either past or future crimes, it could not be applied to future actions. That's because the actual text of the constitution reads that the president "...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States...", where the phrase "for Offences" implies that the offense has already taken place when the pardon was granted, i.e., the offense occurred in the past.

So, regarding your first question, the president is not limited to granting a pardon for a "conviction" necessarily, but also for past actions which might be charged as federal criminal offenses in the future. There is no clear guidance on how specifically described those past actions must be, and without that clear guidance, it's currently constitutional for a pardon to apply to actions in a general sense. For example, the president could say that anything a person did between two past dates is pardoned from future federal criminal charges, and that's that. Nothing more specific required.

Regarding your second question, a president is not required to have any specific knowledge of past crimes for the individual pardoned. It's simply not a limitation on his constitutional pardoning power. But, it certainly raises questions, doesn't it? Why would a president pardon unless that president thought the person he is pardoning might have committed a federal crime? He would probably answer that, in our hyper-politicized environment, his political rivals might "create" a crime, and so he proactively pardons as a general future safeguard without having knowledge of any specific crime. And that appears to be Biden's excuse for pardoning Hunter.

The ironic thing is that it is Biden, and the Dems in general, that have brought us to this point. They have so weaponized the federal government against Trump that they now fear their tactics being turned against them. You simply can't close Pandora's box.

 

[Big Dog]

Pardon from what? No crimes charged yet …. This ain’t gonna fly!

 

[FTG-05]

It is my understanding, an common law, that a pardon can be issued only for a specific crime or crimes, for which the subject of the pardon has been convicted. Carte Blanche is not specific. No one gets a free pass to commit any crime they chose post pardon.

So I have two questions.
One) How can the President give a blank pardon not related to a specific conviction?

And

Two) I am curious. Of what crimes and persons does our current President Biden have specific knowledge and therefore the ability to absolve them pre-arrest and indictment?

Not true. See Nixon and the Ford pardon. Or the Hunter pardon for that matter.

 

[FTG-05]

If Biden issues blanket pardons for Cheney, Fauci etc. etc. etc., there will be two forms of Blowback. Both would be devastating to the 'rats:

- The immediate blowback would be Trump eviscerating the 'rats and their lap dogs in the media after all their pontificating about "No one is above the law" happy horse poop. We've already seen this with the Hunter pardon.

- The 2nd form of blowback would be the above mentioned fact that with their 5th amendment rights now null and void, Trump et al would have no problem bringing them before a court or Congressional inquiry and then be forced to testify under oath. At the point, the 'rats are truly forked: Either tell the truth - and all the crap comes out into the open - or lie and get sent to jail. No win for them either way. A pardon really isn't a "get out of jail free" card.


Biden truly fu!ked the 'rat party on his way out of town and into the sunset.

 

[FrancSevin]

Not true. See Nixon and the Ford pardon. Or the Hunter pardon for that matter.

The Ford pardon of Nixon was for past alleged crimes
that said,;;;;;
I think you may have misunderstood my question.

A pardon for crimes committed is limited to that. The Hunter pardon, and those suggested in the OP are for any crimes, past or charged in the future. My problem is with the Non specificity no matter what precedence exists. I dislike this whether or not it is current law.

Question, is Hunter Biden free from prosecution for a murder? Blanket pardon???

Also, my first question, and the point of my post, was how or what does Biden know about some members of the government, that he feels they need a blanket pardon? Either he knows they are guilty of something or wants to convince the American Citizen to believe that President Trump will order the AG to use lawfare on his enemies to get even. Either is dirty corrupted politics. Certainly not for the benefit of our nation.

Perhaps, this is just a setup. For instance, if Dr. Fauci is guilty of a crime any prosecution would be hailed as vindictive by the media.

I hope this is not true as it would essentially continue the useless law-fair process which would be counterproductive to Trump's intention and efforts to improve government and our economy. He has two years to effect radical changes where it will really count. Little time for vindictive efforts that produce no positive results for the nation as a whole.

President Trump has repeatedly said as much. Our legacy media needs stop the fear mongering, and to let it go.

 

[Patriot]

Question, is Hunter Biden free from prosecution for a murder? Blanket pardon???

The answer to that question is yes, generally speaking. If the "murder" fell in those dates that the blanket pardon covers, and was subsequently discovered, Hunter would be immune from criminal prosecution at the federal level, as astonishing as that sounds. He would still be subject to state prosecution, however, if the "murder" occurred in one of the fifty states, and would also not be immune from any civil suit.

 

[FrancSevin]

The answer to that question is yes, generally speaking. If the "murder" fell in those dates that the blanket pardon covers, and was subsequently discovered, Hunter would be immune from criminal prosecution at the federal level, as astonishing as that sounds. He would still be subject to state prosecution, however, if the "murder" occurred in one of the fifty states, and would also not be immune from any civil suit.

Whilst your response is concurrent with the law RE; "Blanket Pardons" it does seem unjust that such "immunity" can be granted by anyone, including the POTUS.

Are you a lawyer? If so, then you are well aware that there is no such thing as "perfect law." Which why lawyers, even malevolent ones, can make a good living.

 

[Patriot]

Whilst your response is concurrent with the law RE; "Blanket Pardons" it does seem unjust that such "immunity" can be granted by anyone, including the POTUS.

Are you a lawyer? If so, then you are well aware that there is no such thing as "perfect law." Which why lawyers, even malevolent ones, can make a good living.

The president's constitutional pardoning power, because of its lack of outlined limitations, is a prime candidate for being abused by a president. I agree, there is no perfect law, but that is why they can always be changed to meet the needs of the time. Even the Constitution can be changed, as it has been many times. With this pardoning power, at some point, if it becomes overly abused, you can be sure there will be a political movement to amend the Constitution so that the power is more limited.

 

[Kevlar]

My guess is the pardon won’t cover laws broken in other countries. Therefore any blackmail or extortion or bribery committed in other countries, ie Ukraine, they can still be charged? Investigate those he was involved with then place the crime on foreign soil.

 

[Patriot]

My guess is the pardon won’t cover laws broken in other countries. Therefore any blackmail or extortion or bribery committed in other countries, ie Ukraine, they can still be charged? Investigate those he was involved with then place the crime on foreign soil.

That's correct. The pardon would only cover U.S. federal laws. However, if Hunter, or whoever, was residing in the U.S., as an American citizen, then it would require extradition to the foreign country whose laws he broke in order for him to face trial/punishment there.

That would be an interesting situation, but I doubt we would extradite him, just because there's a lot of boxes to check first. It would require a federal judge to order the extradition, and then the Secretary of State to approve it. And, that usually only applies for countries with which we have an extradition treaty. We don't have an extradition treaty with Ukraine, by the way, so it's highly unlikely that we'd make a special arrangement to extradite Hunter Biden, or anyone for that matter, to that country to stand trail.

 

[FrancSevin]

I doubt there are any laws in Ukraine that would subject Hunter Biden to a trial.
Back on the thread topic, I doubt President Trump or his AG, Bondi, will be interested in prosecuting the people suggested in the OP. Frankly, whilst such action might well please a lot of Americans, in reality it would just give negative fodder to the legacy media. Trump doesn't need to feed them. They makeup enough crap as it is.

There may well be investigations which will expose the truth about many events regarding the lawfare prosecution of Donald J Trump
The best thing Trump could do is be satisfied exposing the liars and their crimes, and just let it ride. Any prosecutions would just come off as revenge.

The Democratic party is so damaged right now. The infighting and blame games will keep exposing their deceits and malfeasances committed on the American people. Trump and his team have constructive work to do repairing the damage from both Obama and Biden Presidencies. They have only two years to get it done.

Any silly "pardons" as suggested are false flags flown to make Trump appear vindictive and therefore irrelevant.

 

[Patriot]

I doubt there are any laws in Ukraine that would subject Hunter Biden to a trial.
Back on the thread topic, I doubt President Trump or his AG, Bondi, will be interested in prosecuting the people suggested in the OP. Frankly, whilst such action might well please a lot of Americans, in reality it would just give negative fodder to the legacy media. Trump doesn't need to feed them. They makeup enough crap as it is.

There may well be investigations which will expose the truth about many events regarding the lawfare prosecution of Donald J Trump
The best thing Trump could do is be satisfied exposing the liars and their crimes, and just let it ride. Any prosecutions would just come off as revenge.

The Democratic party is so damaged right now. The infighting and blame games will keep exposing their deceits and malfeasances committed on the American people. Trump and his team have constructive work to do repairing the damage from both Obama and Biden Presidencies. They have only two years to get it done.

Any silly "pardons" as suggested are false flags flown to make Trump appear vindictive and therefore irrelevant.

I agree. While it would feel good to see some revenge dished out, in the end it only enflames hatred, and is counterproductive. I'd like to see Trump put blinders on to the haters, and go full steam ahead on the agenda for which we elected him.

 

[Kevlar]

I agree, I’m not out for revenge, just thinking that if some of these other countries have changes in leadership and the new leaders come across all paper trails of money laundering and such, they might want to clean things up a little, not likely though, just seems with each change in leadership they are just that much worse than the last.

 

[waybomb]

Revenge is one thing. On the other hand, these people need to be outed for what they are. The democrats need to learn what they support. And how the MSM twists everything.
Investigate and publish. Uncover all the BS so next election cycle, democrats might reconsider their position.
There was no Russia, Russua, Russia, DJT was not involved in a felony, the insurrection was not, uncover Fauci's bs, uncover all the illegal felonies this current administration has committed. Etc.
Sweeping it under the rug simply will perpetuate it.

 

[Kevlar]

I agree, and would love to see him drain the swamp, but I’m starting to think starting there is putting the cart before the horse. The media needs to be cleaned up before anything else, if not, everything else done to clean up politics will only be lied about or covered up by the media, much like they have done for the last 40 years, or more.

 

[waybomb]

I think the only way to clean up the press is to expose all the bs. And the only way to do that is expose the swamp completely.
Either way, one can only hope.