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Apple Pay vs CurrentC

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I'm rooting for the retailers. 1.5 to 3% fee to be allowed to collect via visa or M/C seems outrageous. In the early days it might have cost that much for processing but in this computer age we all know better. It's all automated and a windfall for the banks. Plus, I'd rather the retailers get my info than Apple. :eek:



Why retailers are afraid of Apple Pay
By Jose Pagliery @Jose_Pagliery November 3, 2014: 9:28 AM ET

Apple Pay is giving more power to credit card companies. Some big retailers hate this.

That's why Wal-Mart (WMT), Target (TGT) and others created a rival app: CurrentC. It's expected to be slower and clunkier than tap-to-pay technology like Apple Pay, but CurrentC makes processing payments cheaper for retailers.

When you swipe your card at stores, retailers have to pay credit card companies between 1.5% and 3% of every transaction. With CurrentC, retailers might get away with paying a tenth as much.

That drop in costs is huge. Consider Wal-Mart, which earned $4 billion in profit on $119 billion in sales last quarter, a profit margin of just 3%. Cutting down on swipe fees could amount to hundreds of millions -- even billions -- more dollars in profit.

"This isn't a battle being fought over security or ease of use," noted John Zurawski, an executive at Authentify, which secures payments. "It's a battle being fought over interchange fees that merchants pay."

Apple Pay runs on credit card networks. If it grows popular, Visa (V) and MasterCard (MA) would get stronger and fees would stick around. That's something retailers have been fighting for years.

By contrast, CurrentC runs on an old, little-known payment network called "the automated clearinghouse." It's cheaper for shops to process payments, because the system is generally slower. (It's the one used for direct deposit and social security benefits.)

"This is an effort by large retailers to see if they can invent a mobile payment solution that gets them out from what they perceive to be the financial industry's control," said Jason Kratovil, a bank lobbyist in the nation's capital.

These retailers are also rejecting Apple Pay out of fear that Apple's newer, safer payment system will let banks charge stores even more money for every swipe, according to Cherian Abraham, a mobile payment expert with Experian (EXPGF).

"Retailers have always looked at contactless payments with suspicion," Abraham said. "They're worried that as volume picks up, they'll see higher rates."

Then there's customer data. Shops want it. Apple Pay doesn't give it to them.

With Apple Pay, store registers never get your credit card number -- only an anonymous payment token. This chokes off the number one way retailers get customer data for tracking purchases and directly marketing to you afterward.

Meanwhile, CurrentC is at its core a coupon-and-rewards app. That gives companies lots of detailed information about what you buy and who you are.

CurrentC was developed by the Merchant Customer Exchange, a consortium of retailers that includes CVS (CVS) and Rite Aid (RAD). Joining MCX forces retailers to reject Apple Pay, which is why CVS and Rite Aid ditched it last week.

On a call with reporters this week, the group's CEO, Dekkers Davidson, said its members invested significant time and money to develop the alternative. They're not turning back now.

more: http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/03/technology/security/retailers-apple-pay/index.html

 
I'm still trying to figure out how the Applepay compares to and is different from the ISIS app (now Softcard) that AT&T was promoting when we got our phones back in April. It uses NFC to communicate to boxes at retail establishments (OK, mainly McDonalds) to pay your bill without having to swipe a card. I only signed up for it because they gave you $50 to use and for a long time every time you used it for over $1 purchase you got $1 back.
 
Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer cash.
I'm with ya on that JEV. My kids will visit and we go out to a store and they will use their card for mini purchases (less than $10). They say they never carry cash. I like carrying the cards so I can use them at some places and still keep cash in my pocket. But there are quite a few places I'd never use a card.

I hope Applepay and CurrentC (which I'd never heard of till today) both do make it; as well as ISIS (another new one to me, and I'm with AT&T), I like having alternatives. I will be a slow convert to these systems but in the end they could be very handy. If they will help to prevent fraudulent charges on ones card that would be a huge incentive.
 
There are many places in NC that only accept cash, so you'd better have cash or be prepared to walk a couple blocks to an ATM machine.

One of these days we'll have another storm (snow/hurricane/tornado) and the power will be out, and those without cash will be bitching at the Gov because they can't use their credit cards.

Bob
 
I'm rooting for the retailers. 1.5 to 3% fee to be allowed to collect via visa or M/C seems outrageous. In the early days it might have cost that much for processing but in this computer age we all know better. It's all automated and a windfall for the banks. Plus, I'd rather the retailers get my info than Apple. :eek:

Indeed. The magnetic strip credit card companies now skim 3.5% from EVERY purchase for doing absolutely NOTHING! This represents a fucking FORTUNE stolen from consumers and proprietors alike, each and every day, with most consumers totally unaware of the ongoing petty theft with every swipe.

Big Banksters. Once again aided and abetted by your helpful government. A lucrative arrangement to say the least. Now Apple wants to get in on the action.

As a business owner, I get stung by this savage injustice every day. It adds up. For doing NOTHING. Really sux. So when I make a purchase at local businesses, I always ask the proprietor which method of payment works best for them ... cash, debit or credit.
 
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I am really small (Craft Shows). I do like cash best. I have a significant number of customers that offer a check. If asked, I say that I prefer cash, check or credit card if all else fails.

Taking a check, I get a name address, sometimes a phone number and a bank account number. With "Square" I get no customer info. Once square turned a $60 charge into a $600 charge. They would not give me any info to contact the customer. My only option was total refund.
 
So Andy or Kane, do you know anything about Apple Pay or CurrentC? Do those make it easier for a small business to accept credit cards? Seems like you might get out of paying the fee that Visa and M/C want to take credit cards since you, the business, do not get any of the customer info. Maybe this is a plus to the small business in that regard.
 
There are many places in NC that only accept cash, so you'd better have cash or be prepared to walk a couple blocks to an ATM machine.

One of these days we'll have another storm (snow/hurricane/tornado) and the power will be out, and those without cash will be bitching at the Gov because they can't use their credit cards.

Bob

There are places here that offer a CA$H price, and then have a credit/debit price that is typically 3 to 5% higher than the cash price.
 
Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer cash.

Ditto. 90% of my purchases are paid with pictures of dead presidents. 100% of my bills are sent through the mail.

The only on line banking I do is receiving my SS check. For that 1 transaction into a dedicated account. 1 transaction out.
 
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