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A & S Rototiller ?????

BigAl

BigAl

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Anyone know anything about this brand ? I have a chance to pick up a 5' to fit my 45 HP tractor . He told me it is a older unit .Asking price is $400 . Seems fair enough and the fella tells me it is in good shape . Supposenly tines are still availible but I can't seem to find any information on the Internet . ?????? Anyone care to comment ....
 
Never heard of the brand, but the price is 1/3 what is normal for a 5' rototiller. I'd expect a lot closer to $1200 for a 5' tiller. A premium brand will push $2000.

Just curious, how wide is your DK45? Is a 5' wide enough to cover the width of the rear tires?
 
Thats part of the problem . My tires are about 70" wide to the outside edge . Would that be a big problem ?? I guy tells me it takes 40HP to run the tiller . I have about 41 HP to the PTO .
 
What Bob said. Seems too cheap and the Brand is rare. If you get a tiller that is smaller than the width of your tractor then make sure it offsets to one side otherwise you'll have tire tracks everywhere.
 
that DK45 is way too much machine for the 5 foot tiller. Al, your really going to have to watch it running that tiller.

For the price though I would go for it.



murph
 
I am running a 72in Land Pride reverse rotation with 35 pto hp. You should be able to sink it (the A&S unit) to China and not slow it down. FYI it was $1650 new..
 
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thcri said:
that DK45 is way too much machine for the 5 foot tiller. Al, your really going to have to watch it running that tiller.

For the price though I would go for it.



murph
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I think I'll go look at it . The guy has a 30plus hp Masey and said it struggled to keep up .He told me it is a big heavy duty unit . My nieghbor has a DK45 also ,so I think i'll go measure his tire width .
 
BigAl said:
guy tells me it takes 40HP to run the tiller
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Tillers do use a lot of PTO HP compared to some other implements, especially if your soil conditions are clay or in any way heavy. Still a 60" tiller should run fine on 30PTO HP even in heavy soil. That is giving 5PTO HP per foot of tiller. I run a 50" on my little New Holland with 18PTO HP and when things get really hard I will run it on the bigger Kubota with 23PTO HP. But on the New Holland I'm running slightly more 4PTO HP per foot of tiller while the Kubota, with almost 6 PTO HP never slows down in heavy soil.

A reverse tine tiller, that spins 'backwards' will use more PTO HP than a forward tine tiller.

A spade tipped tiller, like on some of the Howard Rotovators and similar uber premium market grade brands, will use more PTO HP than an "S" or "L" shaped tine.

IF you really can get parts for it, it is a hell of a deal.

The downside is you will be running your tractor over tilled soil while you make your second and each consecutive pass, so you will be compacting the ground that you just tilled. That is sort of pointless! And that is why, when you get a tiller that is narrower than the width of the tractor you need to get one that has the OFFSET feature so you can run it without driving over your freshly tilled soil.

I think I would pass, largely because of the small size relative to your tractor and the lack of OFFSET feature. If it had the offset, it would probably be worth a try.

BTW, make sure the 40HP the guy claims is not the MAXIMUM HP the gearbox can handle. If it is, you will chew up the tiller!

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I think I'll go look at it . The guy has a 30plus hp Masey
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If that is an ANTIQUE gas powered Massey then it is likely that it puts out a lot less HP than is stamped on the engine.
 
Big Al,

I have a 57" tiller on my New Holland TC29D that runs about 24 hp at the PTO and I have no trouble handling my tiller with it. Even though I have a slip clutch I have broken the chain twice on it.


I think your fine with the setup but you may have to watch it close.


murph
 
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OK ! I drove out and took a look at this thing .

Good God Omighty ! This thing is big . Real big for a 60" tiller ! Now I know why the guy said at least a 40 horse to use it . It is the biggest HD rototiller I have ever seen . I bet it weighs a 1000 pounds . The gear motor is huge and the tines bolt to a big circular disk . It is a offset tiller so it would work behind my DK45 Kioti . It also has a slip clutch . A few tines are broken and in the morning I am calling the guy that supposenly has tines for it . It is actually a Seaman & Wall manufactured tiller with the marking of A&M on it . Anyone seen one before . Opinions needed ,but I think I might go for it ,if I can get parts .Here is some pictures of this monster.
 

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Wow, that thing does look huge. The tines seem to be so close compared to mine?? How far apart are they? Looks like it is set up as an off set.


murph
 
thcri said:
Wow, that thing does look huge. The tines seem to be so close compared to mine?? How far apart are they? Looks like it is set up as an off set.


murph
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Off hand I would say about 7" between tines . I finally found a little information under the Seaman Motor name . This thing is at least 60 years old . I may pass on it if I can't get parts .
 
Ok guys . The owner pulled off a tine and took it into the tractor dealer and he says the tines are availible . It is also missing half of the PTO shaft . I was thinking of shooting him a one time offer of $300 bucks . Its a old old machine but very heavy duty. Whatta you guys think ???
 
BigAl said:
Whatta you guys think ???
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I think we are about to see another 10,000 view thread, with 1000 posts and 2000 photos describing the restoration process of an old roto-tiller. But one thing is for sure, while in the end it won't work, it will have one heck of a nice paint job :poke:
 
pirate_girl said:
every time I glance at this thread I think it says rottweiler..
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Actually you are probably correct because if BigAl would have bought that rusted out hunk of an implement his wife would have chewed on his ass for a few days just like a well trained rot!:4_11_9:
 
B_Skurka said:
Actually you are probably correct because if BigAl would have bought that rusted out hunk of an implement his wife would have chewed on his ass for a few days just like a well trained rot!:4_11_9:
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haha!! :)
I think I NEED to wear my glasses more when I come on here.
Geeeeesh!
 
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